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	<description>Liberty, if it means anything, is the right to tell people what they don&#039;t want to hear</description>
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		<title>By: Sophia</title>
		<link>http://hurryupharry.org/2010/07/29/wars-wealth-taxes-and-sacrifice/comment-page-1/#comment-497759</link>
		<dc:creator>Sophia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Jul 2010 22:45:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Helian, with all due respect you are an asshat.

Without the US I wouldn&#039;t have been born.  My people had no place else to go. 

I love this country.  I want America and our people (all of us not just The Haves) to prosper and create for many centuries into the future.

But I deplore the thoughtlessness and polarization we&#039;re seeing both politically and economically and I doubly deplore all the excuse-making for the well-to-do.  

This includes corporations as well as rich people who seem to think health care is for them and not for the rest of us, who seem to think we exist at their sufferance, and especially I am disgusted with people who won&#039;t look honestly at the profitability of war, on the way these last two wars have sucked the vitality from the American economy and shifted enormous monies from the people into the pockets of outfits like Blackwater.  

Then on top of that they won&#039;t deal with the human costs.

The most recent slap in the face:  the refusal of Republicans to help the suffering 9/11 workers, who are dying like flies.

This goes double for the media - I had had no idea some 900 first responders had already died.

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2010/07/29/politics/main6726612.shtml</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Helian, with all due respect you are an asshat.</p>
<p>Without the US I wouldn&#8217;t have been born.  My people had no place else to go. </p>
<p>I love this country.  I want America and our people (all of us not just The Haves) to prosper and create for many centuries into the future.</p>
<p>But I deplore the thoughtlessness and polarization we&#8217;re seeing both politically and economically and I doubly deplore all the excuse-making for the well-to-do.  </p>
<p>This includes corporations as well as rich people who seem to think health care is for them and not for the rest of us, who seem to think we exist at their sufferance, and especially I am disgusted with people who won&#8217;t look honestly at the profitability of war, on the way these last two wars have sucked the vitality from the American economy and shifted enormous monies from the people into the pockets of outfits like Blackwater.  </p>
<p>Then on top of that they won&#8217;t deal with the human costs.</p>
<p>The most recent slap in the face:  the refusal of Republicans to help the suffering 9/11 workers, who are dying like flies.</p>
<p>This goes double for the media &#8211; I had had no idea some 900 first responders had already died.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2010/07/29/politics/main6726612.shtml" rel="nofollow">http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2010/07/29/politics/main6726612.shtml</a></p>
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		<title>By: Andrew Murphy</title>
		<link>http://hurryupharry.org/2010/07/29/wars-wealth-taxes-and-sacrifice/comment-page-1/#comment-497473</link>
		<dc:creator>Andrew Murphy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Jul 2010 13:12:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Danger,

And who is responsible for this? The primary reason why so many do not pay taxes is because of the expansion of the Earned Income Tax Credit(EITC), first by Reagan in 1986, then George H Bush in 1991 and George W Bush in 2001...........so if right wingers want to complain about only the &#039;rich&#039; paying taxes, perhaps, they should send their complaint to the Republican National Committee.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Danger,</p>
<p>And who is responsible for this? The primary reason why so many do not pay taxes is because of the expansion of the Earned Income Tax Credit(EITC), first by Reagan in 1986, then George H Bush in 1991 and George W Bush in 2001&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;..so if right wingers want to complain about only the &#8216;rich&#8217; paying taxes, perhaps, they should send their complaint to the Republican National Committee.</p>
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		<title>By: David Herman</title>
		<link>http://hurryupharry.org/2010/07/29/wars-wealth-taxes-and-sacrifice/comment-page-1/#comment-497347</link>
		<dc:creator>David Herman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Jul 2010 08:33:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Greg et al, Poor shouldn&#039;t shouldn&#039;t need to rely on philanthropy of rich - providing healthcare, pensions, education is role of state. Please don&#039;t get all sanctimonious about US philanthropy - I spend most of my working life in US and I have witnessed poverty in Chicago, Detroit, New Orleans and the South which is a stain on America and is not relieved by either philanthropy or the State.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Greg et al, Poor shouldn&#8217;t shouldn&#8217;t need to rely on philanthropy of rich &#8211; providing healthcare, pensions, education is role of state. Please don&#8217;t get all sanctimonious about US philanthropy &#8211; I spend most of my working life in US and I have witnessed poverty in Chicago, Detroit, New Orleans and the South which is a stain on America and is not relieved by either philanthropy or the State.</p>
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		<title>By: Mr Danger</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mr Danger</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Jul 2010 08:31:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;If, as some of us believe, the wars and public services are necessary, the rich should shoulder their share of the burden in accordance with their ability to pay.&lt;/i&gt;

The top 10% of earners are paying 70% of the income taxes in the US. The bottom 50% are paying 3%.

&lt;i&gt;his tax cuts (which are skewed heavily in favor of the wealthiest Americans)&lt;/i&gt;

I repeat. The top 10% of earners are paying 70% of the income taxes in the US. The bottom 50% are paying 3%. Its hard for any tax cut not to benefit the rich - because they are the ones paying the taxes.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>If, as some of us believe, the wars and public services are necessary, the rich should shoulder their share of the burden in accordance with their ability to pay.</i></p>
<p>The top 10% of earners are paying 70% of the income taxes in the US. The bottom 50% are paying 3%.</p>
<p><i>his tax cuts (which are skewed heavily in favor of the wealthiest Americans)</i></p>
<p>I repeat. The top 10% of earners are paying 70% of the income taxes in the US. The bottom 50% are paying 3%. Its hard for any tax cut not to benefit the rich &#8211; because they are the ones paying the taxes.</p>
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		<title>By: David Herman</title>
		<link>http://hurryupharry.org/2010/07/29/wars-wealth-taxes-and-sacrifice/comment-page-1/#comment-497344</link>
		<dc:creator>David Herman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Jul 2010 08:28:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wars in Afghanistan and Iraq have been a boon for corporate America - Haliburton, Lockheed etc etc have been handed billions of dollars out of US public purse - without need to even compete in open market for contracts. Wars/Homeland Security has been cover for greatest corporate theft in world history - why would US Govt now tax the ill gotten riches of their chums - who are after all bankrolling their political parties and election campaigns.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wars in Afghanistan and Iraq have been a boon for corporate America &#8211; Haliburton, Lockheed etc etc have been handed billions of dollars out of US public purse &#8211; without need to even compete in open market for contracts. Wars/Homeland Security has been cover for greatest corporate theft in world history &#8211; why would US Govt now tax the ill gotten riches of their chums &#8211; who are after all bankrolling their political parties and election campaigns.</p>
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		<title>By: Greg</title>
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		<dc:creator>Greg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Jul 2010 08:25:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Who gives a shit how rich the rich get?  The issue is and always has been the quality of life of the poor and helping them not be poor and state dependent.  Taxing the rich doesn&#039;t raise overall tax revenues significantly (if at all) and doesn&#039;t do anything to help the poor (other than help alleviate some sense of envy and retribution).

It&#039;s worth noting that in the US (unlike the UK) there is a very strong philanthropic tradition amongst the wealthy.  Charitable donations per head the US blows away the same UK statistics.  Notable examples are Bill Gates, who has put almost all of his considerable wealth - 10&#039;s of billions - into his foundation which is mainly concerned with fighting malaria and Warren Buffet who is also putting all of his wealth into the same foundation.

Instead of &#039;taxing the rich&#039; which makes nobody feel good except the envious, the Left in the UK should focus on getting philanthropy more firmly established.  There should also be far greater tax breaks for charitable donations (let&#039;s cut out the inefficient government as middle man).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Who gives a shit how rich the rich get?  The issue is and always has been the quality of life of the poor and helping them not be poor and state dependent.  Taxing the rich doesn&#8217;t raise overall tax revenues significantly (if at all) and doesn&#8217;t do anything to help the poor (other than help alleviate some sense of envy and retribution).</p>
<p>It&#8217;s worth noting that in the US (unlike the UK) there is a very strong philanthropic tradition amongst the wealthy.  Charitable donations per head the US blows away the same UK statistics.  Notable examples are Bill Gates, who has put almost all of his considerable wealth &#8211; 10&#8217;s of billions &#8211; into his foundation which is mainly concerned with fighting malaria and Warren Buffet who is also putting all of his wealth into the same foundation.</p>
<p>Instead of &#8216;taxing the rich&#8217; which makes nobody feel good except the envious, the Left in the UK should focus on getting philanthropy more firmly established.  There should also be far greater tax breaks for charitable donations (let&#8217;s cut out the inefficient government as middle man).</p>
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		<title>By: hasan prishtina</title>
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		<dc:creator>hasan prishtina</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Jul 2010 08:07:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;World War Two- Income and corporate surtaxes increased.&lt;/i&gt;

Let&#039;s also not forget that the US, like every other active belligerent, also borrowed massively during both world wars in the form of war bonds. 

&lt;i&gt;FDR tried to soak the rich, and the result was that high unemployment continued until the war&lt;/i&gt;

Let&#039;s not forget that unemployment reached its peak in 1935/36, after a sharp and continuous rise since 1929 until 1932, reaching just under 19% of the workforce, then slowing to reach its peak at around 22%. It may be relevant that FDR was not inaugurated until 1933. Thereafter unemployment fell to 14% in 1938, jumped to 18% a year later (the lack of both raw materials, finished goods and associated goods and services from Europe may have had something to do with this - insurance rates in the fur industry increased by 3,000% in 1939), settling at 15% by 1940. Levels above 12.5% had not been seen since the 1890s and have not been seen since; how would a more orthodox approach have found jobs for 15% of the workforce in fewer than eight years given the very high level of private debt in the economy?

In terms of those actually employed, there had been a continuous drop from 30m in 1929 to 23m in 1932, where it stayed in 1933. It had almost reached pre-1929 levels by 1937, and after a dip the next year, rose again to reach over 36m in 1940. None of these figures include stuff like the WPA; so how would a more orthodox approach have created 13m jobs in fewer than seven years given the high level of private debt in the economy?

&lt;i&gt;the economy didn’t recover to pre-1929 levels until the war&lt;/i&gt;

GDP fell every year until 1933, the year of FDR&#039;s inauguration, and exceeded 1929 level in 1941 - you will remember that war was declared on December 8 1941. 

&lt;i&gt;and we suffered a mini-Depression not enjoyed by the rest of the world in 1936-37.&lt;/i&gt;

Perhaps you are not aware of the mini-Depression suffered by France during the same period, leading to the devaluation of the Franc by 30%.

All in all, FDR was so disastrous in the 1930s that he was reelected with huge majorities. Twice.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>World War Two- Income and corporate surtaxes increased.</i></p>
<p>Let&#8217;s also not forget that the US, like every other active belligerent, also borrowed massively during both world wars in the form of war bonds. </p>
<p><i>FDR tried to soak the rich, and the result was that high unemployment continued until the war</i></p>
<p>Let&#8217;s not forget that unemployment reached its peak in 1935/36, after a sharp and continuous rise since 1929 until 1932, reaching just under 19% of the workforce, then slowing to reach its peak at around 22%. It may be relevant that FDR was not inaugurated until 1933. Thereafter unemployment fell to 14% in 1938, jumped to 18% a year later (the lack of both raw materials, finished goods and associated goods and services from Europe may have had something to do with this &#8211; insurance rates in the fur industry increased by 3,000% in 1939), settling at 15% by 1940. Levels above 12.5% had not been seen since the 1890s and have not been seen since; how would a more orthodox approach have found jobs for 15% of the workforce in fewer than eight years given the very high level of private debt in the economy?</p>
<p>In terms of those actually employed, there had been a continuous drop from 30m in 1929 to 23m in 1932, where it stayed in 1933. It had almost reached pre-1929 levels by 1937, and after a dip the next year, rose again to reach over 36m in 1940. None of these figures include stuff like the WPA; so how would a more orthodox approach have created 13m jobs in fewer than seven years given the high level of private debt in the economy?</p>
<p><i>the economy didn’t recover to pre-1929 levels until the war</i></p>
<p>GDP fell every year until 1933, the year of FDR&#8217;s inauguration, and exceeded 1929 level in 1941 &#8211; you will remember that war was declared on December 8 1941. </p>
<p><i>and we suffered a mini-Depression not enjoyed by the rest of the world in 1936-37.</i></p>
<p>Perhaps you are not aware of the mini-Depression suffered by France during the same period, leading to the devaluation of the Franc by 30%.</p>
<p>All in all, FDR was so disastrous in the 1930s that he was reelected with huge majorities. Twice.</p>
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		<title>By: Andy Lewis</title>
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		<dc:creator>Andy Lewis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Jul 2010 02:59:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This thread illustrates well that the conservatives are still the stupid party. IOW, Sophia&#039;s right, the rightards are wrong, and that&#039;s the end of it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This thread illustrates well that the conservatives are still the stupid party. IOW, Sophia&#8217;s right, the rightards are wrong, and that&#8217;s the end of it.</p>
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		<title>By: Andrew Murphy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Andrew Murphy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Jul 2010 01:15:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Actually, what happened is what David Stockman, former OMB for Reagan said earlier this year, &#039;Republicans said deficits don&#039;t matter and Democrats jumped for joy.&quot;

http://blogs.wsj.com/washwire/2010/01/08/qa-with-david-stockman-taking-aim-at-crony-capitalism/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Actually, what happened is what David Stockman, former OMB for Reagan said earlier this year, &#8216;Republicans said deficits don&#8217;t matter and Democrats jumped for joy.&#8221;</p>
<p><a href="http://blogs.wsj.com/washwire/2010/01/08/qa-with-david-stockman-taking-aim-at-crony-capitalism/" rel="nofollow">http://blogs.wsj.com/washwire/2010/01/08/qa-with-david-stockman-taking-aim-at-crony-capitalism/</a></p>
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		<title>By: mesquito</title>
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		<dc:creator>mesquito</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Jul 2010 01:05:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The thing is, Murphy, when the Democrats whined about deficits, they were evidently only kidding.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The thing is, Murphy, when the Democrats whined about deficits, they were evidently only kidding.</p>
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