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	<title>Comments on: &#8220;Values of Moderation and Tolerance&#8221;</title>
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	<description>Liberty, if it means anything, is the right to tell people what they don&#039;t want to hear</description>
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		<title>By: M Rob</title>
		<link>http://hurryupharry.org/2010/03/05/values-of-moderation-and-tolerance/comment-page-1/#comment-455428</link>
		<dc:creator>M Rob</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Mar 2010 14:25:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Don&#039;t you British have hate speach laws.  If an inn keeper can be arrested because a muslim women felt that they had insulted islam how is it that muslims preaching death to gays on TV are not in jail?  Are you people nuts over there?  Why are you tolerating this nonsense?  I think it is time to throw your current government under the bus and start over.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Don&#8217;t you British have hate speach laws.  If an inn keeper can be arrested because a muslim women felt that they had insulted islam how is it that muslims preaching death to gays on TV are not in jail?  Are you people nuts over there?  Why are you tolerating this nonsense?  I think it is time to throw your current government under the bus and start over.</p>
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		<title>By: Stanislaw</title>
		<link>http://hurryupharry.org/2010/03/05/values-of-moderation-and-tolerance/comment-page-1/#comment-455136</link>
		<dc:creator>Stanislaw</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Mar 2010 13:40:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If anyone is still in any doubts about the position of the left on this matter, have a look at this farce of a thread on Socialist Unity:

http://www.socialistunity.com/?p=5346#comment-185983

Denunciations of the programme as Islamophobic, followed by tireless sniggering evasions of the points raised therein. That is the disgusting modern left, and it&#039;s not just the outer fringes, the BBC&#039;s Any Questions was another exercise in whitewashing designed to give comfort to the preachers of hatred and those who give them a platform. Outside of the Telegraph there has been almost complete silence from the British media on what should be a major political and social scandal.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If anyone is still in any doubts about the position of the left on this matter, have a look at this farce of a thread on Socialist Unity:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.socialistunity.com/?p=5346#comment-185983" rel="nofollow">http://www.socialistunity.com/?p=5346#comment-185983</a></p>
<p>Denunciations of the programme as Islamophobic, followed by tireless sniggering evasions of the points raised therein. That is the disgusting modern left, and it&#8217;s not just the outer fringes, the BBC&#8217;s Any Questions was another exercise in whitewashing designed to give comfort to the preachers of hatred and those who give them a platform. Outside of the Telegraph there has been almost complete silence from the British media on what should be a major political and social scandal.</p>
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		<title>By: WildersSupport</title>
		<link>http://hurryupharry.org/2010/03/05/values-of-moderation-and-tolerance/comment-page-1/#comment-455095</link>
		<dc:creator>WildersSupport</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Mar 2010 11:00:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A dedication.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_LGRk7maBYM</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A dedication.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_LGRk7maBYM" rel="nofollow">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_LGRk7maBYM</a></p>
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		<title>By: WildersSupport</title>
		<link>http://hurryupharry.org/2010/03/05/values-of-moderation-and-tolerance/comment-page-1/#comment-455093</link>
		<dc:creator>WildersSupport</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Mar 2010 10:57:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Spot the fag, A dedication.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_LGRk7maBYM</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Spot the fag, A dedication.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_LGRk7maBYM" rel="nofollow">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_LGRk7maBYM</a></p>
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		<title>By: comstock</title>
		<link>http://hurryupharry.org/2010/03/05/values-of-moderation-and-tolerance/comment-page-1/#comment-454997</link>
		<dc:creator>comstock</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Mar 2010 06:31:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Josh Scholar ....if you’re powerful then you can do anything at all (except make peace with Israel I guess). ....

Should written out one hundred times daily by all the do godders from Saint Bob, I have just financed a war , downwards!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Josh Scholar &#8230;.if you’re powerful then you can do anything at all (except make peace with Israel I guess). &#8230;.</p>
<p>Should written out one hundred times daily by all the do godders from Saint Bob, I have just financed a war , downwards!</p>
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		<title>By: Mohammed Ghoffuq Yousself</title>
		<link>http://hurryupharry.org/2010/03/05/values-of-moderation-and-tolerance/comment-page-1/#comment-454970</link>
		<dc:creator>Mohammed Ghoffuq Yousself</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Mar 2010 03:40:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/" rel="nofollow">http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/</a></p>
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		<title>By: Ben</title>
		<link>http://hurryupharry.org/2010/03/05/values-of-moderation-and-tolerance/comment-page-1/#comment-454907</link>
		<dc:creator>Ben</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Mar 2010 20:44:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;There is no doubt that adultery has caused many a jilted partner to kill not only the partner but in some instances the children as well.&quot;

Doesn&#039;t happen so much round my way. Mind you, they do like a gangland shooting or two on the Queen&#039;s Crescent. Don&#039;t think it&#039;s for wont of marriage counselling sessions though.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;There is no doubt that adultery has caused many a jilted partner to kill not only the partner but in some instances the children as well.&#8221;</p>
<p>Doesn&#8217;t happen so much round my way. Mind you, they do like a gangland shooting or two on the Queen&#8217;s Crescent. Don&#8217;t think it&#8217;s for wont of marriage counselling sessions though.</p>
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		<title>By: Josh Scholar</title>
		<link>http://hurryupharry.org/2010/03/05/values-of-moderation-and-tolerance/comment-page-1/#comment-454884</link>
		<dc:creator>Josh Scholar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Mar 2010 18:34:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The reason that no one minds if Arafat was gay is the same reason that Osama Bin Laudin&#039;s father could have 100 wives or Afghani warlords can keep boy lovers, or any of the rest of it - Middle Eastern culture is 100% authoritarian - if you&#039;re powerful then you can do anything at all (except make peace with Israel I guess).   And people are so used to being powerless that they don&#039;t mind in the slightest.  And if a poor person, unconnected person is caught breaking any rules then it&#039;s off-with-his-head!  

This is what it&#039;s like to be radically missing basic concepts.  There &lt;i&gt;is&lt;/i&gt; no concept of individual rights.   There is no concept of the individual.  There is no concept of rule-of-law.  

Keep in mind that Mohammad himself broke his own rules and kept more than 4 wives.   

Another example of the class divide in Islam is that in Islamic doctrine is in Islam&#039;s version of the story of Jesus.  Jesus didn&#039;t die on the cross, he delegated that to a boy whom he disguised while Jesus himself went straight to heaven.  So the underlying assumptions there is that suffering is for unimportant people, while important people like Jesus don&#039;t even have to suffer the normal bonds of humanity such as death.  Also note the other underlying assumption that youths are expendable.

I once read that every early Caliph died of being killed by his successor (not counting one that died young of illness) so in Islam no one is expecting the powerful to act well or lawfully.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The reason that no one minds if Arafat was gay is the same reason that Osama Bin Laudin&#8217;s father could have 100 wives or Afghani warlords can keep boy lovers, or any of the rest of it &#8211; Middle Eastern culture is 100% authoritarian &#8211; if you&#8217;re powerful then you can do anything at all (except make peace with Israel I guess).   And people are so used to being powerless that they don&#8217;t mind in the slightest.  And if a poor person, unconnected person is caught breaking any rules then it&#8217;s off-with-his-head!  </p>
<p>This is what it&#8217;s like to be radically missing basic concepts.  There <i>is</i> no concept of individual rights.   There is no concept of the individual.  There is no concept of rule-of-law.  </p>
<p>Keep in mind that Mohammad himself broke his own rules and kept more than 4 wives.   </p>
<p>Another example of the class divide in Islam is that in Islamic doctrine is in Islam&#8217;s version of the story of Jesus.  Jesus didn&#8217;t die on the cross, he delegated that to a boy whom he disguised while Jesus himself went straight to heaven.  So the underlying assumptions there is that suffering is for unimportant people, while important people like Jesus don&#8217;t even have to suffer the normal bonds of humanity such as death.  Also note the other underlying assumption that youths are expendable.</p>
<p>I once read that every early Caliph died of being killed by his successor (not counting one that died young of illness) so in Islam no one is expecting the powerful to act well or lawfully.</p>
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		<title>By: Gordon Lamont</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gordon Lamont</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Mar 2010 17:01:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;What are they trying to hide?&quot;
Well, one of the other explanations that a few doctors have come out with &quot;off the record&quot; was cirrhosis of the liver.  Could be he was an alcoholic.  I&#039;m not saying it definitely wasn&#039;t AIDS that killed him, it&#039;s just that nobody really knows for sure, and it&#039;s an academic point because he was 75 anyway, which is about the average life expectancy in Palestine as in most of the rest of the region.

&quot;If they had concrete evidence that he was poisoned or some how maliciously murdered by the Mossad, wouldn’t the Palestinians be out in the streets demanding to avenge his death with Jewish blood (…like they really need another excuse to do that)? Why all the secrecy?&quot;

I never said anyone had any concrete evidence for him being poisoned by anyone.  Quite to the contrary - what I said was that most of the conspiracy theories currently around in Palestine about Yasser Arafat having been poisoned, which are not hugely widespread considering the overwhelming evidence that it was natural causes one way or the other, focus on claims that Mahmoud Abbas had him poisoned, not that Mossad did it.  Plenty of Western anti-Zionists insist that Israel was responsible, just like they insist Israel is responsible for everything else - if Arafat died of AIDS, the anti-Zionists over here would probably claim (if they&#039;re not claiming it already) that Israel created HIV as a biological weapon - but very few Palestinians believe that Israel did it for the simple reason that if they did, they did it at the most inopportune moment possible, just as he was attempting to renounce violence.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;What are they trying to hide?&#8221;<br />
Well, one of the other explanations that a few doctors have come out with &#8220;off the record&#8221; was cirrhosis of the liver.  Could be he was an alcoholic.  I&#8217;m not saying it definitely wasn&#8217;t AIDS that killed him, it&#8217;s just that nobody really knows for sure, and it&#8217;s an academic point because he was 75 anyway, which is about the average life expectancy in Palestine as in most of the rest of the region.</p>
<p>&#8220;If they had concrete evidence that he was poisoned or some how maliciously murdered by the Mossad, wouldn’t the Palestinians be out in the streets demanding to avenge his death with Jewish blood (…like they really need another excuse to do that)? Why all the secrecy?&#8221;</p>
<p>I never said anyone had any concrete evidence for him being poisoned by anyone.  Quite to the contrary &#8211; what I said was that most of the conspiracy theories currently around in Palestine about Yasser Arafat having been poisoned, which are not hugely widespread considering the overwhelming evidence that it was natural causes one way or the other, focus on claims that Mahmoud Abbas had him poisoned, not that Mossad did it.  Plenty of Western anti-Zionists insist that Israel was responsible, just like they insist Israel is responsible for everything else &#8211; if Arafat died of AIDS, the anti-Zionists over here would probably claim (if they&#8217;re not claiming it already) that Israel created HIV as a biological weapon &#8211; but very few Palestinians believe that Israel did it for the simple reason that if they did, they did it at the most inopportune moment possible, just as he was attempting to renounce violence.</p>
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		<title>By: Tomko</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tomko</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Mar 2010 16:34:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Gordon

I&#039;m not suggesting that AIDS is a GAY disease; This is how it is perceived in the middle east. You or I cannot control that perception. In Islam AIDS is considered a punishment from Alla for vile sexual behavior, not unlike some of the fundamentalist Christians in the west. Like YOU I don&#039;t believe this, but if you want to educate these billions of people about the reality of AIDS, all the power to you.

The problem remains. The cause of Arafat&#039;s death has never been published, even though there are many doctors in France that are concealing the facts. Why is it so controversial to reveal the cause of death of such an important historical figure? What are they trying to hide?

If they had concrete evidence that he was poisoned or some how maliciously murdered by the Mossad, wouldn&#039;t the Palestinians be out in the streets demanding to avenge his death with Jewish blood (...like they really need another excuse to do that)? Why all the secrecy?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Gordon</p>
<p>I&#8217;m not suggesting that AIDS is a GAY disease; This is how it is perceived in the middle east. You or I cannot control that perception. In Islam AIDS is considered a punishment from Alla for vile sexual behavior, not unlike some of the fundamentalist Christians in the west. Like YOU I don&#8217;t believe this, but if you want to educate these billions of people about the reality of AIDS, all the power to you.</p>
<p>The problem remains. The cause of Arafat&#8217;s death has never been published, even though there are many doctors in France that are concealing the facts. Why is it so controversial to reveal the cause of death of such an important historical figure? What are they trying to hide?</p>
<p>If they had concrete evidence that he was poisoned or some how maliciously murdered by the Mossad, wouldn&#8217;t the Palestinians be out in the streets demanding to avenge his death with Jewish blood (&#8230;like they really need another excuse to do that)? Why all the secrecy?</p>
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