Comments on: A Serious Allegation by Dr Anthony McRoy http://hurryupharry.org/2010/01/28/a-serious-allegation-by-dr-anthony-mcroy/ Liberty, if it means anything, is the right to tell people what they don't want to hear Sat, 26 May 2012 11:49:10 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.2 hourly 1 By: Anat http://hurryupharry.org/2010/01/28/a-serious-allegation-by-dr-anthony-mcroy/comment-page-1/#comment-441419 Anat Fri, 29 Jan 2010 04:53:10 +0000 http://www.hurryupharry.org/?p=27295#comment-441419 If I were one of his children I would be ashamed of him, and quite rightly. No wonder that he wants to shut up anyone who tells the truth about him. I can think of no better fate for this creep than for all of his children to convert to Judaism, move to Israel, and send their own children to serve in the IDF. If I were one of his children I would be ashamed of him, and quite rightly. No wonder that he wants to shut up anyone who tells the truth about him.

I can think of no better fate for this creep than for all of his children to convert to Judaism, move to Israel, and send their own children to serve in the IDF.

]]> By: Adrian Morgan http://hurryupharry.org/2010/01/28/a-serious-allegation-by-dr-anthony-mcroy/comment-page-1/#comment-441295 Adrian Morgan Thu, 28 Jan 2010 21:05:39 +0000 http://www.hurryupharry.org/?p=27295#comment-441295 That idea of sin excluding membership of the New Jerusalem (where organised churches were the sinners to be excluded, rather than Jews) was sort of fundamental to the Southcottians and their successors, John Wroe and the Christian Israelites (the latter spread to the US where a branch still exists and also to Australia). That idea of sin excluding membership of the New Jerusalem (where organised churches were the sinners to be excluded, rather than Jews) was sort of fundamental to the Southcottians and their successors, John Wroe and the Christian Israelites (the latter spread to the US where a branch still exists and also to Australia).

]]> By: zkharya http://hurryupharry.org/2010/01/28/a-serious-allegation-by-dr-anthony-mcroy/comment-page-1/#comment-441287 zkharya Thu, 28 Jan 2010 20:46:07 +0000 http://www.hurryupharry.org/?p=27295#comment-441287 Actually, oddly, Sizer's assertion that the church is the true Israel (which has been the normative Christian view for most of Christian history), is so strong, that it constitutes a kind of Christian nationalism, implying that, because the Jews have sinned, all that was promised to them, including the land, has been promised to the church i.e. the Christians. That was the explicit view of Justin Martyr, and the more or less implicit view of the other church fathers (though you will rarely see it so written). Sizer would never say that. But it is kind of implied, as I said, by the strength of his assertion. He is an evangelical, after all, and a kind Christian primitive (in a neutral sense of the term), that is trying to combine that primitive view with modernity (not dreadfully successfully, I think). Actually, oddly, Sizer’s assertion that the church is the true Israel (which has been the normative Christian view for most of Christian history), is so strong, that it constitutes a kind of Christian nationalism, implying that, because the Jews have sinned, all that was promised to them, including the land, has been promised to the church i.e. the Christians.

That was the explicit view of Justin Martyr, and the more or less implicit view of the other church fathers (though you will rarely see it so written).

Sizer would never say that. But it is kind of implied, as I said, by the strength of his assertion. He is an evangelical, after all, and a kind Christian primitive (in a neutral sense of the term), that is trying to combine that primitive view with modernity (not dreadfully successfully, I think).

]]> By: Sophia http://hurryupharry.org/2010/01/28/a-serious-allegation-by-dr-anthony-mcroy/comment-page-1/#comment-441268 Sophia Thu, 28 Jan 2010 20:19:26 +0000 http://www.hurryupharry.org/?p=27295#comment-441268 I think this is a core problem and one that is little understood and infrequently discussed (the Church is the "True Israel" therefore Eretz Israel is bad per se): zkharya 28 January 2010, 2:53 pm “I think its time Melanie came back to church and stopped telling porkies.” It’s of a piece with his assertion that the church is the true Israel. Which view he is entitled to hold. It’s just that he forgets the part about Jews’ being exiled for their sins, and applying the same moral criteria to Palestinian Christians and Muslims. I think this is a core problem and one that is little understood and infrequently discussed (the Church is the “True Israel” therefore Eretz Israel is bad per se):

zkharya
28 January 2010, 2:53 pm

“I think its time Melanie came back to church and stopped telling porkies.”

It’s of a piece with his assertion that the church is the true Israel. Which view he is entitled to hold. It’s just that he forgets the part about Jews’ being exiled for their sins, and applying the same moral criteria to Palestinian Christians and Muslims.

]]> By: zkharya http://hurryupharry.org/2010/01/28/a-serious-allegation-by-dr-anthony-mcroy/comment-page-1/#comment-441200 zkharya Thu, 28 Jan 2010 17:48:14 +0000 http://www.hurryupharry.org/?p=27295#comment-441200 I don't see the connection, Adrian, but I’ve noticed is that in Sizer's article on Melanie Phillips, he imputes to her remarks from Wikipedia which are completely unsourced. The Wikisources link back to no writings of Phillip where she said such things. I’m going to change the Wiki entry, shortly, but I thought people might like to read it first: Under the Israel section she is alleged to have: ‘called the Palestinians “a terrorist population”, and argued that while “individual Palestinians may deserve compassion, their cause amounts to Holocaust denial as a national project”.[22]‘ But the source is not Phillips herself. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Melanie_Phillips Sizer parrots it wholesale: http://www.stephensizer.com/2009/03/melanie-phillips-beware-the-new-axis-of-evangelicals-and-islamists/ Some of his references are completely bogus, e.g. footnotes 13 and 14. I don’t see the connection, Adrian, but I’ve noticed is that in Sizer’s article on Melanie Phillips, he imputes to her remarks from Wikipedia which are completely unsourced. The Wikisources link back to no writings of Phillip where she said such things. I’m going to change the Wiki entry, shortly, but I thought people might like to read it first:

Under the Israel section she is alleged to have:

‘called the Palestinians “a terrorist population”, and argued that while “individual Palestinians may deserve compassion, their cause amounts to Holocaust denial as a national project”.[22]‘

But the source is not Phillips herself.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Melanie_Phillips

Sizer parrots it wholesale:

http://www.stephensizer.com/2009/03/melanie-phillips-beware-the-new-axis-of-evangelicals-and-islamists/

Some of his references are completely bogus, e.g. footnotes 13 and 14.

]]> By: Adrian Morgan http://hurryupharry.org/2010/01/28/a-serious-allegation-by-dr-anthony-mcroy/comment-page-1/#comment-441196 Adrian Morgan Thu, 28 Jan 2010 17:41:54 +0000 http://www.hurryupharry.org/?p=27295#comment-441196 Having weird ideas about the spiritual location of Israel, while apparently having little time for the real Israel. Having weird ideas about the spiritual location of Israel, while apparently having little time for the real Israel.

]]> By: zkharya http://hurryupharry.org/2010/01/28/a-serious-allegation-by-dr-anthony-mcroy/comment-page-1/#comment-441183 zkharya Thu, 28 Jan 2010 17:31:28 +0000 http://www.hurryupharry.org/?p=27295#comment-441183 What has Dean Berry to do with Stephen Sizer? What has Dean Berry to do with Stephen Sizer?

]]> By: Anaximanders other sandal http://hurryupharry.org/2010/01/28/a-serious-allegation-by-dr-anthony-mcroy/comment-page-1/#comment-441155 Anaximanders other sandal Thu, 28 Jan 2010 16:22:20 +0000 http://www.hurryupharry.org/?p=27295#comment-441155 "He spoke of the emptiness of atheist/ agnostic life, and argued that atheism contradicted rationality in the face of life and the reality of the universe. Nutcase. “He spoke of the emptiness of atheist/ agnostic life, and argued that atheism contradicted rationality in the face of life and the reality of the universe.

Nutcase.

]]> By: Adrian Morgan http://hurryupharry.org/2010/01/28/a-serious-allegation-by-dr-anthony-mcroy/comment-page-1/#comment-441139 Adrian Morgan Thu, 28 Jan 2010 15:34:23 +0000 http://www.hurryupharry.org/?p=27295#comment-441139 <i>It’s of a piece with his assertion that the church is the true Israel. Which view he is entitled to hold.</i> He can believe what he wants, I suppose. But but when people use religion as a front to promote bigotry like this Dean Berry character: http://deanberryministries.us/home.html Who uses terms like "yiddites" and claims America is Israel, when he appeared on a Facebook thread yesterday, spouting his crap, I had to tell him to go f*ck himself. It’s of a piece with his assertion that the church is the true Israel. Which view he is entitled to hold.

He can believe what he wants, I suppose. But but when people use religion as a front to promote bigotry like this Dean Berry character:

http://deanberryministries.us/home.html

Who uses terms like “yiddites” and claims America is Israel, when he appeared on a Facebook thread yesterday, spouting his crap, I had to tell him to go f*ck himself.

]]> By: zkharya http://hurryupharry.org/2010/01/28/a-serious-allegation-by-dr-anthony-mcroy/comment-page-1/#comment-441125 zkharya Thu, 28 Jan 2010 14:53:12 +0000 http://www.hurryupharry.org/?p=27295#comment-441125 “I think its time Melanie came back to church and stopped telling porkies.” It's of a piece with his assertion that the church is the true Israel. Which view he is entitled to hold. It's just that he forgets the part about Jews' being exiled for their sins, and applying the same moral criteria to Palestinian Christians and Muslims. “I think its time Melanie came back to church and stopped telling porkies.”

It’s of a piece with his assertion that the church is the true Israel. Which view he is entitled to hold. It’s just that he forgets the part about Jews’ being exiled for their sins, and applying the same moral criteria to Palestinian Christians and Muslims.

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