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		<title>By: Gordon Bennet</title>
		<link>http://hurryupharry.org/2010/01/27/tony-greenstein-goes-on-the-attack/comment-page-1/#comment-441256</link>
		<dc:creator>Gordon Bennet</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Jan 2010 20:07:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mike S, you can huff and puff all you like, but the cackling denial and distortion of history is coming from your side.

And the demented cackling of Benji is par for the course, too.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mike S, you can huff and puff all you like, but the cackling denial and distortion of history is coming from your side.</p>
<p>And the demented cackling of Benji is par for the course, too.</p>
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		<title>By: Oh Dear</title>
		<link>http://hurryupharry.org/2010/01/27/tony-greenstein-goes-on-the-attack/comment-page-1/#comment-441004</link>
		<dc:creator>Oh Dear</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Jan 2010 09:34:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Fivish - &#039;The state of Israel was founded in International Law and Treaties. It was also ordained by the Hebrew Bible and the Koran (sura 5:20-21)!&#039;

Hahahahahahahahaha!

a-hahahahahahahaha!

You guys!

Thanks for the laughs.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Fivish &#8211; &#8216;The state of Israel was founded in International Law and Treaties. It was also ordained by the Hebrew Bible and the Koran (sura 5:20-21)!&#8217;</p>
<p>Hahahahahahahahaha!</p>
<p>a-hahahahahahahaha!</p>
<p>You guys!</p>
<p>Thanks for the laughs.</p>
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		<title>By: Mike S</title>
		<link>http://hurryupharry.org/2010/01/27/tony-greenstein-goes-on-the-attack/comment-page-1/#comment-440966</link>
		<dc:creator>Mike S</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Jan 2010 01:28:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;The sickening idea that Jewish attacks on Arabs were proactive but Arab attacks were ‘retaliatory’ is a complete distortion of the historical facts, and is very telling about where the poster is coming from.&quot;

Except that&#039;s not what the poster said. That complete distortion is quite telling of where you&#039;re coming from. 

&quot;If you are working in the MI HQ of a foreign occupying power waging war against the indigenous nation, then you are in a situation of war and you choose to place yourself in the front line as part of the foreign occupying power’s war machinery.&quot;

As I said, absolutely indistinguishable from the rhetoric of anyone explaining away a truck-bomb in Baghdad&#039;s Green Zone.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;The sickening idea that Jewish attacks on Arabs were proactive but Arab attacks were ‘retaliatory’ is a complete distortion of the historical facts, and is very telling about where the poster is coming from.&#8221;</p>
<p>Except that&#8217;s not what the poster said. That complete distortion is quite telling of where you&#8217;re coming from. </p>
<p>&#8220;If you are working in the MI HQ of a foreign occupying power waging war against the indigenous nation, then you are in a situation of war and you choose to place yourself in the front line as part of the foreign occupying power’s war machinery.&#8221;</p>
<p>As I said, absolutely indistinguishable from the rhetoric of anyone explaining away a truck-bomb in Baghdad&#8217;s Green Zone.</p>
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		<title>By: Mike S</title>
		<link>http://hurryupharry.org/2010/01/27/tony-greenstein-goes-on-the-attack/comment-page-1/#comment-440957</link>
		<dc:creator>Mike S</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Jan 2010 01:13:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>LBNAZ
&#039;I’m not sure why you think the attacks from the Arab side were “retaliatory” while those from the Jewish side were the initiating attacks, &#039;
Just to clarify, I was specifically referring to the use of the car bomb (as used in Iraq today) which was pioneered by Lehi, and then imitated by the Arabs, with some help from British deserters.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>LBNAZ<br />
&#8216;I’m not sure why you think the attacks from the Arab side were “retaliatory” while those from the Jewish side were the initiating attacks, &#8216;<br />
Just to clarify, I was specifically referring to the use of the car bomb (as used in Iraq today) which was pioneered by Lehi, and then imitated by the Arabs, with some help from British deserters.</p>
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		<title>By: Shawn</title>
		<link>http://hurryupharry.org/2010/01/27/tony-greenstein-goes-on-the-attack/comment-page-1/#comment-440950</link>
		<dc:creator>Shawn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Jan 2010 00:18:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Gordon Bennet

&lt;i&gt;&quot;The sickening idea that Jewish attacks on Arabs were proactive but Arab attacks were ‘retaliatory’ is a complete distortion of the historical facts...&quot;&lt;/i&gt;

Well, that&#039;s about it, isn&#039;t it; you&#039;re absolutely right.  All it is is retaliations on both sides.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Gordon Bennet</p>
<p><i>&#8220;The sickening idea that Jewish attacks on Arabs were proactive but Arab attacks were ‘retaliatory’ is a complete distortion of the historical facts&#8230;&#8221;</i></p>
<p>Well, that&#8217;s about it, isn&#8217;t it; you&#8217;re absolutely right.  All it is is retaliations on both sides.</p>
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		<title>By: Gordon Bennet</title>
		<link>http://hurryupharry.org/2010/01/27/tony-greenstein-goes-on-the-attack/comment-page-1/#comment-440918</link>
		<dc:creator>Gordon Bennet</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Jan 2010 22:32:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;if you’re a typist being blown up, it’s a bit academic whether the person planting the bomb has made a phone call or not.&quot;

If you are working in the MI HQ of a foreign occupying power waging war against the indigenous nation, then you are in a situation of war and you choose to place yourself in the front line as part of the foreign occupying power&#039;s war machinery. This is no different from army cooks being killed during a war, when they are equally non-combatants but are part of the military.

The sickening idea that Jewish attacks on Arabs were proactive but Arab attacks were &#039;retaliatory&#039; is a complete distortion of the historical facts, and is very telling about where the poster is coming from.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;if you’re a typist being blown up, it’s a bit academic whether the person planting the bomb has made a phone call or not.&#8221;</p>
<p>If you are working in the MI HQ of a foreign occupying power waging war against the indigenous nation, then you are in a situation of war and you choose to place yourself in the front line as part of the foreign occupying power&#8217;s war machinery. This is no different from army cooks being killed during a war, when they are equally non-combatants but are part of the military.</p>
<p>The sickening idea that Jewish attacks on Arabs were proactive but Arab attacks were &#8216;retaliatory&#8217; is a complete distortion of the historical facts, and is very telling about where the poster is coming from.</p>
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		<title>By: Lbnaz</title>
		<link>http://hurryupharry.org/2010/01/27/tony-greenstein-goes-on-the-attack/comment-page-1/#comment-440861</link>
		<dc:creator>Lbnaz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Jan 2010 19:46:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;Lehi’s use of car bombs against Arab civilians is well-documented (as are the equally horrific retaliatory attacks from the Arab side). There was never anything like the carnage of Iraq, but I don’t know that their motivations were any purer.&lt;/i&gt;

I&#039;m not sure that the motivations for these repulsive acts are comparable and I&#039;m not sure why you think the attacks from the Arab side were &quot;retaliatory&quot; while those from the Jewish side were the initiating attacks, but other than that, I concur with the rest of the quoted section of your comment above.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Lehi’s use of car bombs against Arab civilians is well-documented (as are the equally horrific retaliatory attacks from the Arab side). There was never anything like the carnage of Iraq, but I don’t know that their motivations were any purer.</i></p>
<p>I&#8217;m not sure that the motivations for these repulsive acts are comparable and I&#8217;m not sure why you think the attacks from the Arab side were &#8220;retaliatory&#8221; while those from the Jewish side were the initiating attacks, but other than that, I concur with the rest of the quoted section of your comment above.</p>
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		<title>By: Lbnaz</title>
		<link>http://hurryupharry.org/2010/01/27/tony-greenstein-goes-on-the-attack/comment-page-1/#comment-440852</link>
		<dc:creator>Lbnaz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Jan 2010 19:35:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sorry - this: &lt;i&gt;&quot;massacres and murders of Jewish and Arab civilians in the Yishuv&quot;&lt;/i&gt;, should have read: murders and ethnic cleansing of Arab civilians and murders and massacres of Jewish civilians of the Yishuv.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry &#8211; this: <i>&#8220;massacres and murders of Jewish and Arab civilians in the Yishuv&#8221;</i>, should have read: murders and ethnic cleansing of Arab civilians and murders and massacres of Jewish civilians of the Yishuv.</p>
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		<title>By: Mike S</title>
		<link>http://hurryupharry.org/2010/01/27/tony-greenstein-goes-on-the-attack/comment-page-1/#comment-440851</link>
		<dc:creator>Mike S</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Jan 2010 19:32:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Anyway, I don&#039;t wish to derail this into a history argument, so I&#039;ll duck out here.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Anyway, I don&#8217;t wish to derail this into a history argument, so I&#8217;ll duck out here.</p>
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		<title>By: Lbnaz</title>
		<link>http://hurryupharry.org/2010/01/27/tony-greenstein-goes-on-the-attack/comment-page-1/#comment-440849</link>
		<dc:creator>Lbnaz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Jan 2010 19:31:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The problem with the bizarre one-eyed acquisition of historical facts as spewed out by the likes of Shawn is not that the King David Hotel wasn&#039;t bombed, nor that at the time it was bombed it was being used not by non-combatant civilians, but rather being used by non-combatant British military officers and not even that the Irgun which carried out the bombing alerted someone in the hotel 20 minutes in advance of the bombing to evacuate the building because of the bomb. 

The main problem with Shawn and his CiF ilk is that they are incapable of acknowledging the much more numerous incidents of terrorist bombings, massacres and murders of Jewish and Arab civilians in the Yishuv by Arab Muslim gangs (the Black Hand, Iz al Deen Qassam&#039;s thugs &amp; others) and by Arab Muslim crowds whipped up into a religious frenzy by Arab Muslim leaders like Amin Al-Husseini and Araf al Araf that began in the early 1920&#039;s and following a brief recess, resumed in 1929 and then continued unabated until 1939 when Al-Husseini was finally forced into exile, only to resume again in the late 1940&#039;s immediately preceding the war launched by Arab states after Israel declared its independence. 

This inability to acknowledge organized Arab terrorism against the Jewish Yishuv while claiming that the Irgun bombing of the King David Hotel proves that Israel was &quot;founded on terror&quot;, is all of a piece with the same ilk&#039;s touted claim that Jews in the newly declared State of Israel methodically ethnically cleansed 750,000 Arabs from Palestine during the 1948 war, while pushing deep into abeyance any acknowledgement of the Arab Liberation Army&#039;s ethnic cleansing of Arab villages which rejected the demand that their villages be used for military attacks against Jewish communities during that same war, is analogous to a play by play commentary of a sports event that never mentions one of the teams on the playing field while hurling non-stop disdain at the other team.

The only two reasons that I can come up with to explain what motivates people like Shawn and his ilk to make such ridiculously selective claims and that allows others to let those kinds of comments pass without rebuttal, as if they are reasonable remarks are: 1) a very limited amount of historical curiosity and knowledge coupled to an essentialist, reductionist and black and white anti-imperialism of lunacy and 2) tactical propaganda to enlist susceptible people like those in #1 to ally with them in their ideological and irredentist war of ressintement. 

In the case of an Ilan Pappe, I think reason number 2 is more fitting; in the case of Shawn and his CiF ilk, I&#039;d go with reason number 1.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The problem with the bizarre one-eyed acquisition of historical facts as spewed out by the likes of Shawn is not that the King David Hotel wasn&#8217;t bombed, nor that at the time it was bombed it was being used not by non-combatant civilians, but rather being used by non-combatant British military officers and not even that the Irgun which carried out the bombing alerted someone in the hotel 20 minutes in advance of the bombing to evacuate the building because of the bomb. </p>
<p>The main problem with Shawn and his CiF ilk is that they are incapable of acknowledging the much more numerous incidents of terrorist bombings, massacres and murders of Jewish and Arab civilians in the Yishuv by Arab Muslim gangs (the Black Hand, Iz al Deen Qassam&#8217;s thugs &amp; others) and by Arab Muslim crowds whipped up into a religious frenzy by Arab Muslim leaders like Amin Al-Husseini and Araf al Araf that began in the early 1920&#8217;s and following a brief recess, resumed in 1929 and then continued unabated until 1939 when Al-Husseini was finally forced into exile, only to resume again in the late 1940&#8217;s immediately preceding the war launched by Arab states after Israel declared its independence. </p>
<p>This inability to acknowledge organized Arab terrorism against the Jewish Yishuv while claiming that the Irgun bombing of the King David Hotel proves that Israel was &#8220;founded on terror&#8221;, is all of a piece with the same ilk&#8217;s touted claim that Jews in the newly declared State of Israel methodically ethnically cleansed 750,000 Arabs from Palestine during the 1948 war, while pushing deep into abeyance any acknowledgement of the Arab Liberation Army&#8217;s ethnic cleansing of Arab villages which rejected the demand that their villages be used for military attacks against Jewish communities during that same war, is analogous to a play by play commentary of a sports event that never mentions one of the teams on the playing field while hurling non-stop disdain at the other team.</p>
<p>The only two reasons that I can come up with to explain what motivates people like Shawn and his ilk to make such ridiculously selective claims and that allows others to let those kinds of comments pass without rebuttal, as if they are reasonable remarks are: 1) a very limited amount of historical curiosity and knowledge coupled to an essentialist, reductionist and black and white anti-imperialism of lunacy and 2) tactical propaganda to enlist susceptible people like those in #1 to ally with them in their ideological and irredentist war of ressintement. </p>
<p>In the case of an Ilan Pappe, I think reason number 2 is more fitting; in the case of Shawn and his CiF ilk, I&#8217;d go with reason number 1.</p>
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