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		<title>By: Flaming Fairy</title>
		<link>http://hurryupharry.org/2010/01/19/none-so-blind-2/comment-page-1/#comment-437487</link>
		<dc:creator>Flaming Fairy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Jan 2010 12:13:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;I really don t think any respondents need worry about Labour loyalty to Israel.&lt;/i&gt;

Excellent news!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>I really don t think any respondents need worry about Labour loyalty to Israel.</i></p>
<p>Excellent news!</p>
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		<title>By: patricia</title>
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		<dc:creator>patricia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Jan 2010 11:50:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I really don t think any respondents need worry about Labour loyalty to Israel.  Blair&#039;s arms flights via Pretwick and support for Iraq, Brown&#039;s inability to support Goldstone and recent RN presence off Gaza to cement the blockade, a complete revision of UK law to allow Zippy and the Boys to do the New Year Sales without being locked up....  

What more do you want, labels on Muslims walking around the UK? Sanctions against Palestine?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I really don t think any respondents need worry about Labour loyalty to Israel.  Blair&#8217;s arms flights via Pretwick and support for Iraq, Brown&#8217;s inability to support Goldstone and recent RN presence off Gaza to cement the blockade, a complete revision of UK law to allow Zippy and the Boys to do the New Year Sales without being locked up&#8230;.  </p>
<p>What more do you want, labels on Muslims walking around the UK? Sanctions against Palestine?</p>
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		<title>By: Monty</title>
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		<dc:creator>Monty</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Jan 2010 11:43:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Judy	   	
	  20 January 2010, 12:26 am


I think this has everything to do with Labour Party concerns about their election prospects in constituencies with very substantial Muslim populations. I think it’s contemptible because my understanding is that the vast majority of Muslims do not support the MCB–in fact they oppose it.
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Judy, the leadership of all the major parties have a hell of a lot riding on the decisions they make, concerning which sectors of the population to favour, and which to throw under the bus. They have spent a lot of money and effort finding out where and how they can swing the vote. Do you really reckon they are getting this 100% wrong?

Personally, when government and party rhetoric is telling me one thing, and party money is telling me another, I tend to follow the money.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Judy<br />
	  20 January 2010, 12:26 am</p>
<p>I think this has everything to do with Labour Party concerns about their election prospects in constituencies with very substantial Muslim populations. I think it’s contemptible because my understanding is that the vast majority of Muslims do not support the MCB–in fact they oppose it.<br />
&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8211;</p>
<p>Judy, the leadership of all the major parties have a hell of a lot riding on the decisions they make, concerning which sectors of the population to favour, and which to throw under the bus. They have spent a lot of money and effort finding out where and how they can swing the vote. Do you really reckon they are getting this 100% wrong?</p>
<p>Personally, when government and party rhetoric is telling me one thing, and party money is telling me another, I tend to follow the money.</p>
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		<title>By: Joseph</title>
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		<dc:creator>Joseph</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Jan 2010 06:31:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;any forms of Anti-Semitism or indeed any other forms of racism&quot;

This is clever. Makes them look quite tolerant, until you realise that they don&#039;t consider Jews to be a Semitic people (as per that Malaysian fellow). When they say &quot;anti-Semitic&quot; they mean &quot;anti-Arab&quot;. 

Of course, being Jewish is increasingly seen as less of a racial affiliation rather than a religious/cultural one (this is also increasingly true in ontological terms), rendering any commitment to non-discrimination agains Jews as a race quite meaningless.   

&quot;The blood that flows in the body of the Jew is the blood of God. It is holy. And the blood that is not Jewish, they are all like animals&quot;

Despicable garbage, but we should recognise that we are not done any favours by certain segments of the ultra-Orthodox and Chassidic communities which do actually espouse views of this kind. There is still a disturbring obsession within Jewish Orthodoxy with the mystical or quasi-mystical qualities of Jewish blood (as transmitted via the female line of course), much to the frustration of otherwise observant converts and Jews of partrilineal descent only. This needs to be cleared up with an eye towards inclusivity - it&#039;s not like we can&#039;t use the extra numbers.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;any forms of Anti-Semitism or indeed any other forms of racism&#8221;</p>
<p>This is clever. Makes them look quite tolerant, until you realise that they don&#8217;t consider Jews to be a Semitic people (as per that Malaysian fellow). When they say &#8220;anti-Semitic&#8221; they mean &#8220;anti-Arab&#8221;. </p>
<p>Of course, being Jewish is increasingly seen as less of a racial affiliation rather than a religious/cultural one (this is also increasingly true in ontological terms), rendering any commitment to non-discrimination agains Jews as a race quite meaningless.   </p>
<p>&#8220;The blood that flows in the body of the Jew is the blood of God. It is holy. And the blood that is not Jewish, they are all like animals&#8221;</p>
<p>Despicable garbage, but we should recognise that we are not done any favours by certain segments of the ultra-Orthodox and Chassidic communities which do actually espouse views of this kind. There is still a disturbring obsession within Jewish Orthodoxy with the mystical or quasi-mystical qualities of Jewish blood (as transmitted via the female line of course), much to the frustration of otherwise observant converts and Jews of partrilineal descent only. This needs to be cleared up with an eye towards inclusivity &#8211; it&#8217;s not like we can&#8217;t use the extra numbers.</p>
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		<title>By: Judy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Judy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Jan 2010 00:26:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think this has everything to do with Labour Party concerns about their election prospects in constituencies with very substantial Muslim populations. I think it&#039;s contemptible because my understanding is that the vast majority of Muslims do not support the MCB--in fact they oppose it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think this has everything to do with Labour Party concerns about their election prospects in constituencies with very substantial Muslim populations. I think it&#8217;s contemptible because my understanding is that the vast majority of Muslims do not support the MCB&#8211;in fact they oppose it.</p>
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		<title>By: Jimmy Glesga</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jimmy Glesga</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Jan 2010 22:21:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The problem that we infidels have is we do not understand the Islamists. When they say they hate everything we stand for and want to kill us we are getting it wrong and we do not understand what they really mean. Although they said they wanted to kill us they do not really mean it. It is just a term of speech and should not be taken out of context! So how about putting it in simple terms. We do not want to kill you but will if required. But we do not mean it. We just said it for a laugh.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The problem that we infidels have is we do not understand the Islamists. When they say they hate everything we stand for and want to kill us we are getting it wrong and we do not understand what they really mean. Although they said they wanted to kill us they do not really mean it. It is just a term of speech and should not be taken out of context! So how about putting it in simple terms. We do not want to kill you but will if required. But we do not mean it. We just said it for a laugh.</p>
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		<title>By: Jimmy Glesga</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jimmy Glesga</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Jan 2010 22:10:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>habibi, I hope pork is on the menu.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>habibi, I hope pork is on the menu.</p>
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		<title>By: Alcuin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Alcuin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Jan 2010 20:42:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Anax - you are right. However: &lt;i&gt;I cannot believe that those who hold the reigns of power in the UK don’t know what these Islamists are up to ...&lt;/i&gt;

But, I fear, there are none so blind as those who will not see. Or as Ayn Rand put it: &lt;i&gt;The hardest thing to explain is the glaringly evident which everybody had decided not to see.&lt;/i&gt; Again, the problem we have is that there is no public figure who is prepared to call Islam for what it is. Even the buffoon Griffin, given the perfect chance to dissect Islam on QT, could only mumble something about women.

It will take an attack far worse than we have so far seen for a heavyweight to put his head above the parapet. Then everyone will be shouting at our spineless elite - why did no one tell us all this? Would that Enoch were still around ...

What with Denham&#039;s pathetic attempt to spike the BNP&#039;s guns, and now the craven pandering to a bunch of thugs, NL is really scraping the barrel. How&#039;s Megrahi doing these days, by the way? Who cares? Not Broon or our oil companies, evidently. What a complete and utterly shameless shower we have running this country.

The danger of all this moral cowardice is that it is unsustainable. As with a spoilt child, the day comes when its behaviour crosses the line, and someone (parent, school, police) has to come down on it like a ton of bricks. The day will come when some Muslim group crosses the line (i.e. far worse than 7-7), and either our authorities have to take draconian action or there will be lynchings. We have not seen such things in Britain for centuries, but neither have we been invaded like most of Europe has. Britons are not much different at root from any other people - given a serious threat and we will react as others have. It will not be pretty.

@John A - very pithy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Anax &#8211; you are right. However: <i>I cannot believe that those who hold the reigns of power in the UK don’t know what these Islamists are up to &#8230;</i></p>
<p>But, I fear, there are none so blind as those who will not see. Or as Ayn Rand put it: <i>The hardest thing to explain is the glaringly evident which everybody had decided not to see.</i> Again, the problem we have is that there is no public figure who is prepared to call Islam for what it is. Even the buffoon Griffin, given the perfect chance to dissect Islam on QT, could only mumble something about women.</p>
<p>It will take an attack far worse than we have so far seen for a heavyweight to put his head above the parapet. Then everyone will be shouting at our spineless elite &#8211; why did no one tell us all this? Would that Enoch were still around &#8230;</p>
<p>What with Denham&#8217;s pathetic attempt to spike the BNP&#8217;s guns, and now the craven pandering to a bunch of thugs, NL is really scraping the barrel. How&#8217;s Megrahi doing these days, by the way? Who cares? Not Broon or our oil companies, evidently. What a complete and utterly shameless shower we have running this country.</p>
<p>The danger of all this moral cowardice is that it is unsustainable. As with a spoilt child, the day comes when its behaviour crosses the line, and someone (parent, school, police) has to come down on it like a ton of bricks. The day will come when some Muslim group crosses the line (i.e. far worse than 7-7), and either our authorities have to take draconian action or there will be lynchings. We have not seen such things in Britain for centuries, but neither have we been invaded like most of Europe has. Britons are not much different at root from any other people &#8211; given a serious threat and we will react as others have. It will not be pretty.</p>
<p>@John A &#8211; very pithy.</p>
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		<title>By: Charles</title>
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		<dc:creator>Charles</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Jan 2010 20:00:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No event in human history has been studied as thoroughly and carefully than the Holocaust.  Thousands of thesis and dissertations papers have poured over all of the evidence, from anecdotal testimony to captured German war documents.  Virtually every historian with a PhD in European History agrees that millions of Jews were systematically exterminated by Nazi Germany.  One can no more &quot;revise&quot; this fact than one can revise the existence of gravity.  Captured German documents alone account for enough evidence to convict Nazi Germany of mass genocide in any civil (not Islamic) court.  You can suggest that 5.6 million Jews were killed, instead of six million.  But, you cannot deny that millions of innocent Jews were murdered.  The Wansee Conference planned the killing.  Nazi concentration camp records prove that it was carried out.

Whenever we stand up to those who deny or minimize genocide we send a critical message to the world. As we continue to live in an age of genocide and ethnic cleansing, we must repel the broken ethics of our ancestors, or risk a dreadful repeat of past transgressions.  We know from captured German war records that millions of innocent Jews were systematically exterminated by Nazi Germany - most in gas chambers. These facts have been proven repeatedly through countless thesis and dissertation research papers.  Virtually every PhD in the world will stake their career on the veracity of known Holocaust facts.  Despite this knowledge, Holocaust deniers ply their mendacious poison everywhere, especially with young people on the Internet. Such deniers have only one agenda - to distort the truth in a way that promotes antagonism against the object of their hatred, or to deny the culpability of their ancestors and heroes.  

Museums and mandatory public education are tools to dispel bigotry, especially racial and ethnic hatred.  Books, films and presentations can reinforce the veracity of past and present genocides.  They help to tell the true story of the perpetrators of genocide; and they reveal the abject terror, humiliation and degradation resulting from prejudice.  It is therefore essential that we disclose the factual brutality and horror of genocide, combating the deniers’ virulent, inaccurate historical revision.  We must protect vulnerable future generations from making the same mistakes. 

A world that continues to allow genocide requires ethical remediation.  We must show the world that religious, racial, ethnic, gender and orientation persecution is wrong; and that tolerance is our progeny&#039;s only hope.  Only through such efforts can we reveal the true horror of genocide and promote the triumphant spirit of humankind.

Charles Weinblatt
Author, &quot;Jacob&#039;s Courage&quot;
http://jacobscourage.wordpress.com/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No event in human history has been studied as thoroughly and carefully than the Holocaust.  Thousands of thesis and dissertations papers have poured over all of the evidence, from anecdotal testimony to captured German war documents.  Virtually every historian with a PhD in European History agrees that millions of Jews were systematically exterminated by Nazi Germany.  One can no more &#8220;revise&#8221; this fact than one can revise the existence of gravity.  Captured German documents alone account for enough evidence to convict Nazi Germany of mass genocide in any civil (not Islamic) court.  You can suggest that 5.6 million Jews were killed, instead of six million.  But, you cannot deny that millions of innocent Jews were murdered.  The Wansee Conference planned the killing.  Nazi concentration camp records prove that it was carried out.</p>
<p>Whenever we stand up to those who deny or minimize genocide we send a critical message to the world. As we continue to live in an age of genocide and ethnic cleansing, we must repel the broken ethics of our ancestors, or risk a dreadful repeat of past transgressions.  We know from captured German war records that millions of innocent Jews were systematically exterminated by Nazi Germany &#8211; most in gas chambers. These facts have been proven repeatedly through countless thesis and dissertation research papers.  Virtually every PhD in the world will stake their career on the veracity of known Holocaust facts.  Despite this knowledge, Holocaust deniers ply their mendacious poison everywhere, especially with young people on the Internet. Such deniers have only one agenda &#8211; to distort the truth in a way that promotes antagonism against the object of their hatred, or to deny the culpability of their ancestors and heroes.  </p>
<p>Museums and mandatory public education are tools to dispel bigotry, especially racial and ethnic hatred.  Books, films and presentations can reinforce the veracity of past and present genocides.  They help to tell the true story of the perpetrators of genocide; and they reveal the abject terror, humiliation and degradation resulting from prejudice.  It is therefore essential that we disclose the factual brutality and horror of genocide, combating the deniers’ virulent, inaccurate historical revision.  We must protect vulnerable future generations from making the same mistakes. </p>
<p>A world that continues to allow genocide requires ethical remediation.  We must show the world that religious, racial, ethnic, gender and orientation persecution is wrong; and that tolerance is our progeny&#8217;s only hope.  Only through such efforts can we reveal the true horror of genocide and promote the triumphant spirit of humankind.</p>
<p>Charles Weinblatt<br />
Author, &#8220;Jacob&#8217;s Courage&#8221;<br />
<a href="http://jacobscourage.wordpress.com/" rel="nofollow">http://jacobscourage.wordpress.com/</a></p>
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		<title>By: habibi</title>
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		<dc:creator>habibi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Jan 2010 18:25:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes, we shall see what the Tories do in the coming months.  Tough talk on extremism really does sit quite oddly with helping the MCB to raise funds, as has been pointed out earlier in the thread.  However, note the three letters next to Grayling&#039;s name in the announcement:

&lt;blockquote&gt;The first ever Muslim Leadership Dinner is a unique opportunity to network with leaders, opinion formers and people of excellence from all walks of life. Community and civic leaders, policy makers, thinkers, business leaders and future leaders from diverse backgrounds will come together to celebrate the contribution of Muslims to British society. This dinner will also raise funds for the work of the Muslim Council of Britain. At the Muslim Leadership Dinner, the Muslim Council of Britain will launch its new, grassroots-led strategy that will set in motion a new effort to work for the common good of the community and British society. Bookings A seat at the dinner: £250 per person A table of ten: £2,500 Exclusive sponsorship opportunities also available Confirmed Guests Rt Hon Jack Straw MP, Lord High Chancellor of Great Britain and Secretary of State for Justice The Rt. Hon. Nick Clegg MP, Leader of the Liberal Democrats &lt;b&gt;Chris Grayling MP, Shadow Home Secretary (tbc)&lt;/b&gt; Tariq Ramadan, academic and Islamic scholar Invited Special Guests Government and Shadow Cabinet Ministers, Faith leaders, Trade Union leaders, prominent MPs and Peers, Media Personalities, Muslim civil society leaders from Britain and the Continent&lt;/blockquote&gt;

If he does confirm, it will put Tory rhetoric in a most revealing light.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, we shall see what the Tories do in the coming months.  Tough talk on extremism really does sit quite oddly with helping the MCB to raise funds, as has been pointed out earlier in the thread.  However, note the three letters next to Grayling&#8217;s name in the announcement:</p>
<blockquote><p>The first ever Muslim Leadership Dinner is a unique opportunity to network with leaders, opinion formers and people of excellence from all walks of life. Community and civic leaders, policy makers, thinkers, business leaders and future leaders from diverse backgrounds will come together to celebrate the contribution of Muslims to British society. This dinner will also raise funds for the work of the Muslim Council of Britain. At the Muslim Leadership Dinner, the Muslim Council of Britain will launch its new, grassroots-led strategy that will set in motion a new effort to work for the common good of the community and British society. Bookings A seat at the dinner: £250 per person A table of ten: £2,500 Exclusive sponsorship opportunities also available Confirmed Guests Rt Hon Jack Straw MP, Lord High Chancellor of Great Britain and Secretary of State for Justice The Rt. Hon. Nick Clegg MP, Leader of the Liberal Democrats <b>Chris Grayling MP, Shadow Home Secretary (tbc)</b> Tariq Ramadan, academic and Islamic scholar Invited Special Guests Government and Shadow Cabinet Ministers, Faith leaders, Trade Union leaders, prominent MPs and Peers, Media Personalities, Muslim civil society leaders from Britain and the Continent</p></blockquote>
<p>If he does confirm, it will put Tory rhetoric in a most revealing light.</p>
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