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	<title>Comments on: Initial thoughts on the attempted attack on Delta Airlines</title>
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	<description>Liberty, if it means anything, is the right to tell people what they don&#039;t want to hear</description>
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		<title>By: Andrew Adams</title>
		<link>http://hurryupharry.org/2009/12/26/initial-thoughts-on-the-attempted-attack-on-delta-airlines/comment-page-3/#comment-430088</link>
		<dc:creator>Andrew Adams</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Dec 2009 08:55:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ana,

But how far do you take it? Strip search every passenger? Because if you want absolute security that&#039;s what you will have to do.
I&#039;m willing to put up with a certain amount of inconvenience if I can see an actual benefit to my security. But making people stay in their seat for the last hour of the flight and not displaying the in-flight maps showing the plane&#039;s current position are just stupid knee jerk reactions which will make no difference whatsoever to the safety of anyone on board. Nor can I see any justification for some of the restrictions on taking cosmetics, medicines, baby food and other things.
Governments (and it is them not the airlines who make these rules) feel they have to do something but sometimes they have to be honest with people and admits that there are limits to what they can do to protect them from people absolutely determined to do them harm. I think the current regulations are more than sufficient and I don&#039;t see any evidence that people are being put off flying because they don&#039;t feel safe.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ana,</p>
<p>But how far do you take it? Strip search every passenger? Because if you want absolute security that&#8217;s what you will have to do.<br />
I&#8217;m willing to put up with a certain amount of inconvenience if I can see an actual benefit to my security. But making people stay in their seat for the last hour of the flight and not displaying the in-flight maps showing the plane&#8217;s current position are just stupid knee jerk reactions which will make no difference whatsoever to the safety of anyone on board. Nor can I see any justification for some of the restrictions on taking cosmetics, medicines, baby food and other things.<br />
Governments (and it is them not the airlines who make these rules) feel they have to do something but sometimes they have to be honest with people and admits that there are limits to what they can do to protect them from people absolutely determined to do them harm. I think the current regulations are more than sufficient and I don&#8217;t see any evidence that people are being put off flying because they don&#8217;t feel safe.</p>
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		<title>By: Andrew Adams</title>
		<link>http://hurryupharry.org/2009/12/26/initial-thoughts-on-the-attempted-attack-on-delta-airlines/comment-page-3/#comment-430085</link>
		<dc:creator>Andrew Adams</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Dec 2009 08:39:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;What gives you the right to make that judgement on behalf of your fellow passengers, or the people who live under the flight path of your airliner?&lt;/i&gt;

I&#039;m stating my own personal view. As I don&#039;t actually have the power to dictate which security measures are in place I am hardly making a judgement on beghalf of other people.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>What gives you the right to make that judgement on behalf of your fellow passengers, or the people who live under the flight path of your airliner?</i></p>
<p>I&#8217;m stating my own personal view. As I don&#8217;t actually have the power to dictate which security measures are in place I am hardly making a judgement on beghalf of other people.</p>
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		<title>By: Ana</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ana</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Dec 2009 22:42:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Andrew Adams - of course you were more likely to be hurt on the way to catch your flight. Presumably you took reasonable precautions to avoid this (driving carefully etc). However, an airline is responsible for the lives of hundreds of people. They have to err on the side of caution. The lives of their passengers and crew and lets face it, the future of their business, is at stake.

I don&#039;t equate terror (or even caution and concern) with inconvenience .If people feel that airlines are as safe as they can be, they will continue to fly. If they aren&#039;t reassured they will stop flying. This is closer to the aims of terror. Although realistically the ultimate aim of Al Q is not to put Richard Branson out of business. If we have to suffer some inconvenience in order to prevent continuing success for terrorists, then we should do so.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Andrew Adams &#8211; of course you were more likely to be hurt on the way to catch your flight. Presumably you took reasonable precautions to avoid this (driving carefully etc). However, an airline is responsible for the lives of hundreds of people. They have to err on the side of caution. The lives of their passengers and crew and lets face it, the future of their business, is at stake.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t equate terror (or even caution and concern) with inconvenience .If people feel that airlines are as safe as they can be, they will continue to fly. If they aren&#8217;t reassured they will stop flying. This is closer to the aims of terror. Although realistically the ultimate aim of Al Q is not to put Richard Branson out of business. If we have to suffer some inconvenience in order to prevent continuing success for terrorists, then we should do so.</p>
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		<title>By: Monty</title>
		<link>http://hurryupharry.org/2009/12/26/initial-thoughts-on-the-attempted-attack-on-delta-airlines/comment-page-3/#comment-429955</link>
		<dc:creator>Monty</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Dec 2009 20:46:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Aircraft lavvies are there for piddles, poo poos, and farts.

Why do you feel the need to take your computer, your anti-wrinkle cream, or your gun in there?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Aircraft lavvies are there for piddles, poo poos, and farts.</p>
<p>Why do you feel the need to take your computer, your anti-wrinkle cream, or your gun in there?</p>
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		<title>By: Monty</title>
		<link>http://hurryupharry.org/2009/12/26/initial-thoughts-on-the-attempted-attack-on-delta-airlines/comment-page-3/#comment-429954</link>
		<dc:creator>Monty</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Dec 2009 20:41:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Why do you have to connect yourself to a 24 volt supply to take a poop?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why do you have to connect yourself to a 24 volt supply to take a poop?</p>
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		<title>By: Monty</title>
		<link>http://hurryupharry.org/2009/12/26/initial-thoughts-on-the-attempted-attack-on-delta-airlines/comment-page-3/#comment-429946</link>
		<dc:creator>Monty</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Dec 2009 20:29:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If you want a wee-wee, or a poop, go to the lavvy and do the necessary.

Just don&#039;t expect the rest of us to believe you need to take your carry-on baggage with you. You don&#039;t need that to take a piss. You do not need electronic support. You have been piddling and pooping since the day you were born. Ask your Mammy. That&#039;s the great thing about human bodily functions, they happen without regard to technology. As they always have done and always will.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If you want a wee-wee, or a poop, go to the lavvy and do the necessary.</p>
<p>Just don&#8217;t expect the rest of us to believe you need to take your carry-on baggage with you. You don&#8217;t need that to take a piss. You do not need electronic support. You have been piddling and pooping since the day you were born. Ask your Mammy. That&#8217;s the great thing about human bodily functions, they happen without regard to technology. As they always have done and always will.</p>
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		<title>By: EdwardT</title>
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		<dc:creator>EdwardT</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Dec 2009 19:53:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I hear some airlines are going to lock the toilets. Passengers will be given large plastic bags to use.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I hear some airlines are going to lock the toilets. Passengers will be given large plastic bags to use.</p>
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		<title>By: Monty</title>
		<link>http://hurryupharry.org/2009/12/26/initial-thoughts-on-the-attempted-attack-on-delta-airlines/comment-page-3/#comment-429920</link>
		<dc:creator>Monty</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Dec 2009 18:03:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Andrew Adams:

&quot;Obviously different people will have a different view, some may be willing to put up with more inconvenience than me, people view risk in different ways.&quot;

What gives you the right to make that judgement on behalf of your fellow passengers, or the people who live under the flight path of your airliner?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Andrew Adams:</p>
<p>&#8220;Obviously different people will have a different view, some may be willing to put up with more inconvenience than me, people view risk in different ways.&#8221;</p>
<p>What gives you the right to make that judgement on behalf of your fellow passengers, or the people who live under the flight path of your airliner?</p>
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		<title>By: Andrew Adams</title>
		<link>http://hurryupharry.org/2009/12/26/initial-thoughts-on-the-attempted-attack-on-delta-airlines/comment-page-3/#comment-429917</link>
		<dc:creator>Andrew Adams</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Dec 2009 17:58:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It is also worth pointing out that the purpose of terrorism is to, well, terrorise people. If we are now at the point when we are so scared of getting on a plane that we are willing to submit to the most inconvenient, time consuming and intrusive procedures then I would say that the terrorists have been pretty successful.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It is also worth pointing out that the purpose of terrorism is to, well, terrorise people. If we are now at the point when we are so scared of getting on a plane that we are willing to submit to the most inconvenient, time consuming and intrusive procedures then I would say that the terrorists have been pretty successful.</p>
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		<title>By: Andrew Adams</title>
		<link>http://hurryupharry.org/2009/12/26/initial-thoughts-on-the-attempted-attack-on-delta-airlines/comment-page-3/#comment-429915</link>
		<dc:creator>Andrew Adams</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Dec 2009 17:50:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ana,

No, I&#039;m not joking. I don&#039;t want to abandon all security checks but I do want them to be proportionate to the risk I actually face. Can anyone explain why making me eat baby food makes me or anyone else safer - it&#039;s just stupid. Obviously different people will have a different view, some may be willing to put up with more inconvenience than me, people view risk in different ways. But when I went away this Christmas I was in far more danger from driving to the airport than anything untoward happening on the flight, but I wasn&#039;t tempted to undergo the extra hassle and expense of getting the train instead.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ana,</p>
<p>No, I&#8217;m not joking. I don&#8217;t want to abandon all security checks but I do want them to be proportionate to the risk I actually face. Can anyone explain why making me eat baby food makes me or anyone else safer &#8211; it&#8217;s just stupid. Obviously different people will have a different view, some may be willing to put up with more inconvenience than me, people view risk in different ways. But when I went away this Christmas I was in far more danger from driving to the airport than anything untoward happening on the flight, but I wasn&#8217;t tempted to undergo the extra hassle and expense of getting the train instead.</p>
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