Comments on: The Government Has Completely Dropped The Ball on Hizb ut Tahrir http://hurryupharry.org/2009/12/12/the-government-has-completely-dropped-the-ball-on-hizb-ut-tahrir/ Liberty, if it means anything, is the right to tell people what they don't want to hear Sat, 26 May 2012 07:36:58 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.2 hourly 1 By: Stanislaw http://hurryupharry.org/2009/12/12/the-government-has-completely-dropped-the-ball-on-hizb-ut-tahrir/comment-page-1/#comment-425574 Stanislaw Sun, 13 Dec 2009 21:09:16 +0000 http://www.hurryupharry.org/?p=25053#comment-425574 So the school is teaching children they should kill non-Muslims. And Labour have for party political reasons with a nudge and a wink let them carry on. Balls and the stupid, irresponsible scum at Haringey deserve to be strung up. I hope they die in the next inter-faith terrorist attack our Hizb Ut Tahrir's friends in the armed wing of Islamism serve up. So the school is teaching children they should kill non-Muslims. And Labour have for party political reasons with a nudge and a wink let them carry on. Balls and the stupid, irresponsible scum at Haringey deserve to be strung up. I hope they die in the next inter-faith terrorist attack our Hizb Ut Tahrir’s friends in the armed wing of Islamism serve up.

]]> By: Flaming Fairy http://hurryupharry.org/2009/12/12/the-government-has-completely-dropped-the-ball-on-hizb-ut-tahrir/comment-page-1/#comment-425474 Flaming Fairy Sun, 13 Dec 2009 09:58:02 +0000 http://www.hurryupharry.org/?p=25053#comment-425474 <i>Who knows why Ed Balls has allowed this to happen</i> I do - because he's an incompetent fuckwit. Who knows why Ed Balls has allowed this to happen

I do – because he’s an incompetent fuckwit.

]]> By: Dele http://hurryupharry.org/2009/12/12/the-government-has-completely-dropped-the-ball-on-hizb-ut-tahrir/comment-page-1/#comment-425418 Dele Sat, 12 Dec 2009 23:55:51 +0000 http://www.hurryupharry.org/?p=25053#comment-425418 Nice expose. Farid Kassim is crazy in the video link provided. He blatantly denies the holocaust and claims Britain is the cesspit of humanity. Why don't these retards get out of Britain if it is so bad? I don't understand the logic of these imbeciles. Nice expose. Farid Kassim is crazy in the video link provided. He blatantly denies the holocaust and claims Britain is the cesspit of humanity. Why don’t these retards get out of Britain if it is so bad? I don’t understand the logic of these imbeciles.

]]> By: Monty http://hurryupharry.org/2009/12/12/the-government-has-completely-dropped-the-ball-on-hizb-ut-tahrir/comment-page-1/#comment-425401 Monty Sat, 12 Dec 2009 22:12:34 +0000 http://www.hurryupharry.org/?p=25053#comment-425401 We have a government which proclaims one thing, while knowing the opposite. On the one hand the official line is that islam is a religion of peace, and only a tiny aberrant minority of the islamic population is aggressive, intolerant, anti-western, anti-democratic, oppressive. On the other hand they are demonstrating a process of continuous, but discrete, appeasement and bribery of the extremists. That is not because of what they don't know. It is because of what they do know. The islamist sectarians command much greater popular support than the government dares make known. It's time we faced up to that, before the next government starts playing the same game. We have a government which proclaims one thing, while knowing the opposite. On the one hand the official line is that islam is a religion of peace, and only a tiny aberrant minority of the islamic population is aggressive, intolerant, anti-western, anti-democratic, oppressive.

On the other hand they are demonstrating a process of continuous, but discrete, appeasement and bribery of the extremists. That is not because of what they don’t know. It is because of what they do know.

The islamist sectarians command much greater popular support than the government dares make known. It’s time we faced up to that, before the next government starts playing the same game.

]]> By: Josh Scholar http://hurryupharry.org/2009/12/12/the-government-has-completely-dropped-the-ball-on-hizb-ut-tahrir/comment-page-1/#comment-425374 Josh Scholar Sat, 12 Dec 2009 20:07:44 +0000 http://www.hurryupharry.org/?p=25053#comment-425374 In fact it was such a good argument I'm gonna quote it here: How would Ed Balls act, if it turned out that Nick Griffin’s wife and another BNP member was running an Aryan Identity School, along with a bunch of BNP sympathisers. Imagine that they had a curriculum in which they encouraged children to think about the coming Race War, and to build a political system in which only white people could vote, and even then, only in accordance with the principles of the White Race, as determined by – and even the BNP doesn’t go for this! – Odinist priests. Imagine that there was a scandal, following which one of the trustees resigned, the school took a day trip to the Notting Hill Carnival, and an inspection declared everything hunky dory. Because that’s basically what has happened here. In fact it was such a good argument I’m gonna quote it here:

How would Ed Balls act, if it turned out that Nick Griffin’s wife and another BNP member was running an Aryan Identity School, along with a bunch of BNP sympathisers. Imagine that they had a curriculum in which they encouraged children to think about the coming Race War, and to build a political system in which only white people could vote, and even then, only in accordance with the principles of the White Race, as determined by – and even the BNP doesn’t go for this! – Odinist priests. Imagine that there was a scandal, following which one of the trustees resigned, the school took a day trip to the Notting Hill Carnival, and an inspection declared everything hunky dory.

Because that’s basically what has happened here.

]]> By: Josh Scholar http://hurryupharry.org/2009/12/12/the-government-has-completely-dropped-the-ball-on-hizb-ut-tahrir/comment-page-1/#comment-425373 Josh Scholar Sat, 12 Dec 2009 20:06:27 +0000 http://www.hurryupharry.org/?p=25053#comment-425373 Poor Lee Barnes. He was hoping the BNP would benefit from this incompetence and treason, and instead the argument is being framed as it's as if the BNP were running schools preaching race war to little children. Poor Lee Barnes.

He was hoping the BNP would benefit from this incompetence and treason, and instead the argument is being framed as it’s as if the BNP were running schools preaching race war to little children.

]]> By: Lee John Barnes http://hurryupharry.org/2009/12/12/the-government-has-completely-dropped-the-ball-on-hizb-ut-tahrir/comment-page-1/#comment-425360 Lee John Barnes Sat, 12 Dec 2009 19:04:47 +0000 http://www.hurryupharry.org/?p=25053#comment-425360 Listen you stupid little bitch - stop comparing the BNP to HBT, not only is it intellectually lazy it just shows you are a complete idiot. For fucks sake - why bring Nick Griffins wife into your stupid article ? Stop being a cunt. Listen you stupid little bitch – stop comparing the BNP to HBT, not only is it intellectually lazy it just shows you are a complete idiot.

For fucks sake – why bring Nick Griffins wife into your stupid article ?

Stop being a cunt.

]]> By: Monty http://hurryupharry.org/2009/12/12/the-government-has-completely-dropped-the-ball-on-hizb-ut-tahrir/comment-page-1/#comment-425341 Monty Sat, 12 Dec 2009 16:57:46 +0000 http://www.hurryupharry.org/?p=25053#comment-425341 tokyo nambu 12 December 2009, 11:31 am -------- Spot on! tokyo nambu
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Spot on!

]]> By: cityca http://hurryupharry.org/2009/12/12/the-government-has-completely-dropped-the-ball-on-hizb-ut-tahrir/comment-page-1/#comment-425335 cityca Sat, 12 Dec 2009 16:43:01 +0000 http://www.hurryupharry.org/?p=25053#comment-425335 With every passing day I read/hear about more of the idiocy of this government, who appear to be completely out of control. I think tokyo nambu is spot on - they/Balls neither mind nor care about these schools, so long as his kids don't have to go there and the parents vote Labour. I've often heard it said that in the clear knowledge that they cannot get voted back in, Brown et al are doing their best to effect a 'razed earth policy' now so Cameron and his mob will spend years repairing the damage Nu Labour have (deliberately) caused. The best possible revenge we could take would be to deny these bastards their pensions, like they have done to us. With every passing day I read/hear about more of the idiocy of this government, who appear to be completely out of control.
I think tokyo nambu is spot on – they/Balls neither mind nor care about these schools, so long as his kids don’t have to go there and the parents vote Labour.

I’ve often heard it said that in the clear knowledge that they cannot get voted back in, Brown et al are doing their best to effect a ‘razed earth policy’ now so Cameron and his mob will spend years repairing the damage Nu Labour have (deliberately) caused.

The best possible revenge we could take would be to deny these bastards their pensions, like they have done to us.

]]> By: Alcuin http://hurryupharry.org/2009/12/12/the-government-has-completely-dropped-the-ball-on-hizb-ut-tahrir/comment-page-1/#comment-425278 Alcuin Sat, 12 Dec 2009 15:06:31 +0000 http://www.hurryupharry.org/?p=25053#comment-425278 More good sleuthing by HP, and an excellent article from Lucy. Just a very minor quibble. "<i>Deen</i>" is often translated as <i>faith</i> or <i>religion</i>. In Arab culture, this may well be how it is perceived, but then Arabs do not distinguish between faith, law and politics - they are unified. So a more accurate translation into English of "<i>deen</i>" is <b>system</b>. The distinction is subtle but crucial, because in Western thought Church and State are separate, while in Muslim thought, they are not. As a result, an Arab and an Englishman may think they are talking about the same thing, when the word <i>deen</i> is mentioned, but they very definitely are not. More good sleuthing by HP, and an excellent article from Lucy.

Just a very minor quibble. “Deen” is often translated as faith or religion. In Arab culture, this may well be how it is perceived, but then Arabs do not distinguish between faith, law and politics – they are unified.

So a more accurate translation into English of “deen” is system. The distinction is subtle but crucial, because in Western thought Church and State are separate, while in Muslim thought, they are not. As a result, an Arab and an Englishman may think they are talking about the same thing, when the word deen is mentioned, but they very definitely are not.

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