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	<title>Comments on: Newsnight: Close Links Between Hizb ut Tahrir and the ISF School</title>
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	<description>Liberty, if it means anything, is the right to tell people what they don&#039;t want to hear</description>
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		<title>By: Larkers</title>
		<link>http://hurryupharry.org/2009/11/28/newsnight-close-links-between-hizb-ut-tahrir-and-the-isf-school/comment-page-2/#comment-418117</link>
		<dc:creator>Larkers</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Dec 2009 09:33:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;My previous post was a bit dim-witted, all the same! Mother nature is a Romantic notion. Nature can be violent and cruel, like human nature that is distorted by the derailment of nature. The arts have been trying for centuries to work through the dialectic of reason and nature in order to reconcile them, even provocatively at times.&quot; – Felix 8.52 p.m.

In light of your thoughtful observations you may be interested to view this –

http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b00p6tsd/Why_Beauty_Matters/

I find much to argue with Scruton&#039;s views as expressed in this programme, but as I wrote above, intelligent criticism makes us think in turn. Philosophy or theology should never become a stick with which to beat others but a constant goad to ourselves.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;My previous post was a bit dim-witted, all the same! Mother nature is a Romantic notion. Nature can be violent and cruel, like human nature that is distorted by the derailment of nature. The arts have been trying for centuries to work through the dialectic of reason and nature in order to reconcile them, even provocatively at times.&#8221; – Felix 8.52 p.m.</p>
<p>In light of your thoughtful observations you may be interested to view this –</p>
<p><a href="http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b00p6tsd/Why_Beauty_Matters/" rel="nofollow">http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b00p6tsd/Why_Beauty_Matters/</a></p>
<p>I find much to argue with Scruton&#8217;s views as expressed in this programme, but as I wrote above, intelligent criticism makes us think in turn. Philosophy or theology should never become a stick with which to beat others but a constant goad to ourselves.</p>
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		<title>By: Felix (Italy)</title>
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		<dc:creator>Felix (Italy)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Dec 2009 08:52:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks Larkers.

My previous post was a bit dim-witted, all the same! Mother nature is a Romantic notion. Nature can be violent and cruel, like human nature that is distorted by the derailment of nature. The arts have been trying for centuries to work through the dialectic of reason and nature in order to reconcile them, even provocatively at times.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks Larkers.</p>
<p>My previous post was a bit dim-witted, all the same! Mother nature is a Romantic notion. Nature can be violent and cruel, like human nature that is distorted by the derailment of nature. The arts have been trying for centuries to work through the dialectic of reason and nature in order to reconcile them, even provocatively at times.</p>
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		<title>By: Larkers</title>
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		<dc:creator>Larkers</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Nov 2009 14:18:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;This thread is petering out. But I have nevertheless decided to make some comments on Mr. Gordon Bennet’s attack on me. So you will rest your case, will you? Well I have decided not to let it rest.&quot; Felix 29th November 8.39 p.m.

Dear Felix. Please do continue to post here.

Gordon Bennett I am almost certain used to post under another name and was equally unpleasant. She or he specialises in deliberate misrepresentation of others views and delights in sophistry i order to show themself in as flattering a light as possible. My own brushes with this person led me to decide to &#039;step over&#039; these posts and not respond. There are in any case some exceptional people who do have something to write which even when one disagrees with it results in an exchange of views rather than hate mail.

Best Wishes.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;This thread is petering out. But I have nevertheless decided to make some comments on Mr. Gordon Bennet’s attack on me. So you will rest your case, will you? Well I have decided not to let it rest.&#8221; Felix 29th November 8.39 p.m.</p>
<p>Dear Felix. Please do continue to post here.</p>
<p>Gordon Bennett I am almost certain used to post under another name and was equally unpleasant. She or he specialises in deliberate misrepresentation of others views and delights in sophistry i order to show themself in as flattering a light as possible. My own brushes with this person led me to decide to &#8217;step over&#8217; these posts and not respond. There are in any case some exceptional people who do have something to write which even when one disagrees with it results in an exchange of views rather than hate mail.</p>
<p>Best Wishes.</p>
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		<title>By: Felix (Italy)</title>
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		<dc:creator>Felix (Italy)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Nov 2009 13:01:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Extreme environmentalism is another form of belief system where the “god” is mother nature, the birds and the fish.&quot;

If only God was mother nature! Environmentalism cannot be extreme enough. The problem is that environmentalists go in for politics, absorb other ideologies, thus abandoning their cause.

I spoke to one of the leading environmentalists in Verona after chernobyl. I soon found out he was not interested and was lookiing for politicals status.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Extreme environmentalism is another form of belief system where the “god” is mother nature, the birds and the fish.&#8221;</p>
<p>If only God was mother nature! Environmentalism cannot be extreme enough. The problem is that environmentalists go in for politics, absorb other ideologies, thus abandoning their cause.</p>
<p>I spoke to one of the leading environmentalists in Verona after chernobyl. I soon found out he was not interested and was lookiing for politicals status.</p>
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		<title>By: Hamid</title>
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		<dc:creator>Hamid</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 29 Nov 2009 21:02:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Monty - certainly have to agree with you.

The tragedy is not so much religion - but an irrational and belief-based system of values and associated discourse.

Irrational and ideological belief systems are not exclusive to the religious.  There are secular forms of it as well.

Extreme environmentalism is another form of belief system where the &quot;god&quot; is mother nature, the birds and the fish.

Postmodern leftism is another form of &quot;religion&quot; where the god is the monetary poor and the permanently aggrieved.

Then communism and fascism are other forms of secular belief systems that have everything religious about them except for the supernatural.

Any wonder why the postmodern left loves Islam and its rapist founder Mohammed?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Monty &#8211; certainly have to agree with you.</p>
<p>The tragedy is not so much religion &#8211; but an irrational and belief-based system of values and associated discourse.</p>
<p>Irrational and ideological belief systems are not exclusive to the religious.  There are secular forms of it as well.</p>
<p>Extreme environmentalism is another form of belief system where the &#8220;god&#8221; is mother nature, the birds and the fish.</p>
<p>Postmodern leftism is another form of &#8220;religion&#8221; where the god is the monetary poor and the permanently aggrieved.</p>
<p>Then communism and fascism are other forms of secular belief systems that have everything religious about them except for the supernatural.</p>
<p>Any wonder why the postmodern left loves Islam and its rapist founder Mohammed?</p>
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		<title>By: Felix (Italy)</title>
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		<dc:creator>Felix (Italy)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 29 Nov 2009 20:39:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This thread is petering out. But I have nevertheless decided to make some comments on Mr. Gordon Bennet&#039;s attack on me. So you will rest your case, will you? Well I have decided not to let it rest.

He says:
&quot;At least have the decency to apologise to said individuals.&quot; (meaning commenters). As though the commenters were noit attacking each other all the time. Foremost among the vicious, Mr. Bennet.

Do you want me to apologise to John Lee Barnes? Some of the comments are not all that far removed from him, whatever ideological position they come from. I will certainly not apologise to them.

You were a prime mover in stirring up mobbing attacks on me, on a really ridiculous subject, and you were trying to do it again in the above missive. Who&#039;s attacking whom? Your comments and those you inspired went beyond the occasional swear word; they were attempts at mobbing, which, if they occur on the street, you call the police. This time the vermin have not come out of the woodwork to join you -so far.

When I told my friends about the palaver aboiut he Wicked Jew who got a taste of pork juice on his lips, they said, they couldn&#039;t believe their ears and asked, &quot;But Felix, what ARE you doing writing to a blog like that?&quot; I replied that I liked the moderators and some of the commenters and that I learn a lot from HP.

Who the hell are you to talk about attacking posters?

You have cooked your goose for me, and I want nothing more to do with you, and will ignore your posts in the future.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This thread is petering out. But I have nevertheless decided to make some comments on Mr. Gordon Bennet&#8217;s attack on me. So you will rest your case, will you? Well I have decided not to let it rest.</p>
<p>He says:<br />
&#8220;At least have the decency to apologise to said individuals.&#8221; (meaning commenters). As though the commenters were noit attacking each other all the time. Foremost among the vicious, Mr. Bennet.</p>
<p>Do you want me to apologise to John Lee Barnes? Some of the comments are not all that far removed from him, whatever ideological position they come from. I will certainly not apologise to them.</p>
<p>You were a prime mover in stirring up mobbing attacks on me, on a really ridiculous subject, and you were trying to do it again in the above missive. Who&#8217;s attacking whom? Your comments and those you inspired went beyond the occasional swear word; they were attempts at mobbing, which, if they occur on the street, you call the police. This time the vermin have not come out of the woodwork to join you -so far.</p>
<p>When I told my friends about the palaver aboiut he Wicked Jew who got a taste of pork juice on his lips, they said, they couldn&#8217;t believe their ears and asked, &#8220;But Felix, what ARE you doing writing to a blog like that?&#8221; I replied that I liked the moderators and some of the commenters and that I learn a lot from HP.</p>
<p>Who the hell are you to talk about attacking posters?</p>
<p>You have cooked your goose for me, and I want nothing more to do with you, and will ignore your posts in the future.</p>
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		<title>By: Adam</title>
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		<dc:creator>Adam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 29 Nov 2009 19:23:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iGerVRR5ycM&amp;feature=related

newsnight debate.</description>
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<p>newsnight debate.</p>
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		<title>By: Not a Gove fan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Not a Gove fan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 29 Nov 2009 13:00:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I can stand about two minutes of the intensely annoying Michael Gove, max.</description>
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		<title>By: Adam</title>
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		<dc:creator>Adam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 29 Nov 2009 11:09:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To Abu Faris

..Yes why does &#039;Andrew&#039; say 

&#039;...we think&#039;  instead of &#039;I&#039;..?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To Abu Faris</p>
<p>..Yes why does &#8216;Andrew&#8217; say </p>
<p>&#8216;&#8230;we think&#8217;  instead of &#8216;I&#8217;..?</p>
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		<title>By: Adam</title>
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		<dc:creator>Adam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 29 Nov 2009 11:05:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To David T

&#039;..........Incidentally, for all those who obsess about Mohammed having had sex with Aisha at 9 or 13 or what have you, here’s a little Shakespeare:

    LADY CAPULET:Thou know’st my daughter’s of a pretty age.
    NURSE: Faith, I can tell her age unto an hour.
    LADY CAPULET She’s not fourteen.
    NURSE: I’ll lay fourteen of my teeth,– And yet, to my teeth be it spoken, I have but four– She is not fourteen. .....&#039;

Dear chap, surely there&#039;s a difference between two teenagers having sex, and Mohammed well into adulthood screwing a 9 year old girl?

And no-one says Romeo was an exemplary human being who should be emulated, let alone the one true messanger of god.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To David T</p>
<p>&#8216;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;.Incidentally, for all those who obsess about Mohammed having had sex with Aisha at 9 or 13 or what have you, here’s a little Shakespeare:</p>
<p>    LADY CAPULET:Thou know’st my daughter’s of a pretty age.<br />
    NURSE: Faith, I can tell her age unto an hour.<br />
    LADY CAPULET She’s not fourteen.<br />
    NURSE: I’ll lay fourteen of my teeth,– And yet, to my teeth be it spoken, I have but four– She is not fourteen. &#8230;..&#8217;</p>
<p>Dear chap, surely there&#8217;s a difference between two teenagers having sex, and Mohammed well into adulthood screwing a 9 year old girl?</p>
<p>And no-one says Romeo was an exemplary human being who should be emulated, let alone the one true messanger of god.</p>
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