The bit which was subsequently characterisedby you as:

None of which adds up to a requirement to carry ID as a matter of course, which is what Graham was alleging.

As it happens I do have a student-photo card which I am now required to carry at all times (if I want to use bus services anyway.)

Guess what Graham, I expanded the scope to talk about serious objections to the National Identity Scheme. If you don’t like it, tough.

Oh I just love it when you get back on topic and come over all “civil liberties paranoic” why wouldn’t I!

As for the rest, I simply pointed out your own contradictions to yourself.

Haha. No you didn’t. You twisted words, accused people of holding positions that they didn’t hold and invented a whole bunch of people who were against you. Again, why argue against “civil liberties paranoics” when they are showing themselves for what they are in the comments boxes!

If someone suggested kittens were ideal soft and cuddly pets,

If they did you would write a post insisting that they be called by their proper names of juvenile Felis cattus and alleging a conspiracy by nu-labour against puppies!

You can certainly always rely on Graham to be the arch-contrarian at ‘Harry’s Place’. If someone suggested kittens were ideal soft and cuddly pets, Graham would be rooting for giant tube worms instead, just to get a bit of comment attention…

Oh dear, get over yourself. I have answered your points. I agree that there is ill-judged adverse comment on ID Cards and DNA databases. But once acknowledged, I am not going to talk about it anymore, for there are plenty of serious arguments aganist the government’s ID Card scheme and its DNA retention policies. As for the rest, I simply pointed out your own contradictions to yourself. If you can’t hold a consistent argument in your mind frorm one post to another, I can scarcely be held responsible for that. If you don’t want to discuss the other points I raise, fine, then don’t. But don’t go on about ‘honest debates’ if you don’t want to discuss the serious objections to ID Cards and DNA retention policy.

Which part of ““Having some form of identity is pretty much necessary at all times” did you not write?

Seriously Davies why does any discussion with you always degenerate into you having an argument with straw men of your own creation about something beyond the scope of what people have been discussing on the thread?

Guess what Graham, I expanded the scope to talk about serious objections to the National Identity Scheme. If you don’t like it, tough.

Firstly construct your enemy. Secondly “big up” your own position in opposition to the Straw man. Thirdly let it be known that you are not prepared to discuss anything in the comments because you merely wish to dictate. Fourthly sit back and watch as others take the piss.

And exactly which strawmen are you suggesting did that? Its no wonder you can’t seeStrawmen as you are too busy creating them!

Oh look Julia is being a silly arse on the internet again. Happily you can always rely on some things!