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	<description>Liberty, if it means anything, is the right to tell people what they don&#039;t want to hear</description>
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		<title>By: Gordon Bennet</title>
		<link>http://hurryupharry.org/2009/11/24/shared-grief-reconciliation/comment-page-2/#comment-414235</link>
		<dc:creator>Gordon Bennet</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Nov 2009 21:46:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt; There’s none so blind as those who WILL not see.&lt;/i&gt;

I do sympathise with you. But I am told there is a good eye doctor round the corner from you - do try him.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i> There’s none so blind as those who WILL not see.</i></p>
<p>I do sympathise with you. But I am told there is a good eye doctor round the corner from you &#8211; do try him.</p>
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		<title>By: David All</title>
		<link>http://hurryupharry.org/2009/11/24/shared-grief-reconciliation/comment-page-2/#comment-414212</link>
		<dc:creator>David All</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Nov 2009 21:06:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Judy &amp; Nachman, thank you for your beautiful comments about Israel&#039;s heroes. 

Amie: Thank you for setting the record straight about Goldstone&#039;s role as a judge who helped to end Apartheid and expose its horrors.
Also for pointing out that Liberia was minority settler state like Rhodesia and South Africa; unlike Israel which like the US is a majority settler state. 

Morgoth: &quot;You&#039;re too kind, David.&quot;
Yes, plenty of folks have mentioned that. (dry remark)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Judy &amp; Nachman, thank you for your beautiful comments about Israel&#8217;s heroes. </p>
<p>Amie: Thank you for setting the record straight about Goldstone&#8217;s role as a judge who helped to end Apartheid and expose its horrors.<br />
Also for pointing out that Liberia was minority settler state like Rhodesia and South Africa; unlike Israel which like the US is a majority settler state. </p>
<p>Morgoth: &#8220;You&#8217;re too kind, David.&#8221;<br />
Yes, plenty of folks have mentioned that. (dry remark)</p>
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		<title>By: nodrog</title>
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		<dc:creator>nodrog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Nov 2009 20:48:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Josh/Judy/Morgoth/Gordon Bennet/Nachman/Anon: Clearly I&#039;ve strayed into Paranoia Park. There&#039;s none so blind as those who WILL not see. Goodbye.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Josh/Judy/Morgoth/Gordon Bennet/Nachman/Anon: Clearly I&#8217;ve strayed into Paranoia Park. There&#8217;s none so blind as those who WILL not see. Goodbye.</p>
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		<title>By: Gordon Bennet</title>
		<link>http://hurryupharry.org/2009/11/24/shared-grief-reconciliation/comment-page-2/#comment-413903</link>
		<dc:creator>Gordon Bennet</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Nov 2009 11:11:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So Morgoth, to settle a bet: you have never heard of the Jewish religion, right?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So Morgoth, to settle a bet: you have never heard of the Jewish religion, right?</p>
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		<title>By: Gordon Bennet</title>
		<link>http://hurryupharry.org/2009/11/24/shared-grief-reconciliation/comment-page-2/#comment-413900</link>
		<dc:creator>Gordon Bennet</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Nov 2009 11:09:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;I’m sorry that some people see my comments as anti-Israel&lt;/i&gt;

No, only as anti-history, anti-truth and anti-morality.
The nonsense you post is too laughable and absurd to be worthy of the name &#039;anti-Israel&#039;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>I’m sorry that some people see my comments as anti-Israel</i></p>
<p>No, only as anti-history, anti-truth and anti-morality.<br />
The nonsense you post is too laughable and absurd to be worthy of the name &#8216;anti-Israel&#8217;.</p>
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		<title>By: amie</title>
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		<dc:creator>amie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Nov 2009 10:56:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The story of Judy&#039;s relative makes one stop in one&#039;s tracks, and the connection to Israelinurse&#039;s son makes one realise how intertwined the fate of the Jewish people in Israel is.

On a more petty note, any analogies between the resettlement of the ex slaves in Liberia and the Jewish return to Israel would be misguided. The ex slaves set up a minority regime which was discriminatory and oppressive of the indigenous black population, and this fired the lengthy conflict which is only now being defused.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The story of Judy&#8217;s relative makes one stop in one&#8217;s tracks, and the connection to Israelinurse&#8217;s son makes one realise how intertwined the fate of the Jewish people in Israel is.</p>
<p>On a more petty note, any analogies between the resettlement of the ex slaves in Liberia and the Jewish return to Israel would be misguided. The ex slaves set up a minority regime which was discriminatory and oppressive of the indigenous black population, and this fired the lengthy conflict which is only now being defused.</p>
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		<title>By: amie</title>
		<link>http://hurryupharry.org/2009/11/24/shared-grief-reconciliation/comment-page-2/#comment-413892</link>
		<dc:creator>amie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Nov 2009 10:43:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nachman, while I have been active and forthright in my condemnation of Goldstone regarding his Gaza report, his record as a judge in SA is more complex than your diatribe allows. While he did make some shameful decisions (in accordance with the correct application of the law as it was) he presided over at least two brave landmark decisions which went against the regime. In the first, he issued a judgment against the eviction of an Asian woman under the notorious Group Areas Act, a core Apartheid law that determined where people could live according to their race. His judgment ended the evictions enacted under that law. 
In the second, he upheld the application of Beverley Traub and others,  trainee doctors who had been denied posts as punishment for whistle blowing the scandalous conditions at Baragwanath, the segregated main hospital for black patients. My husband acted as advocate for Traub.

In the last years of Apartheid, as the chair of a commission into the use of violence by the secret agents of the Apartheid government against its opponents, he uncovered murder squads set up by the government and revealed the details of their despicable acts of violence.

There is always the debate whether a judge of conscience should have accepted a post in such a regime at all, or if he could argue he would be in a position to mitigate the effects of the laws whereas a more hardline judge would not. Whichever, opposition to his Gaza report is not best served by indiscriminate accusations which can be latched onto by his supporters as smears and thus aid dismissal of any criticism of him.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nachman, while I have been active and forthright in my condemnation of Goldstone regarding his Gaza report, his record as a judge in SA is more complex than your diatribe allows. While he did make some shameful decisions (in accordance with the correct application of the law as it was) he presided over at least two brave landmark decisions which went against the regime. In the first, he issued a judgment against the eviction of an Asian woman under the notorious Group Areas Act, a core Apartheid law that determined where people could live according to their race. His judgment ended the evictions enacted under that law.<br />
In the second, he upheld the application of Beverley Traub and others,  trainee doctors who had been denied posts as punishment for whistle blowing the scandalous conditions at Baragwanath, the segregated main hospital for black patients. My husband acted as advocate for Traub.</p>
<p>In the last years of Apartheid, as the chair of a commission into the use of violence by the secret agents of the Apartheid government against its opponents, he uncovered murder squads set up by the government and revealed the details of their despicable acts of violence.</p>
<p>There is always the debate whether a judge of conscience should have accepted a post in such a regime at all, or if he could argue he would be in a position to mitigate the effects of the laws whereas a more hardline judge would not. Whichever, opposition to his Gaza report is not best served by indiscriminate accusations which can be latched onto by his supporters as smears and thus aid dismissal of any criticism of him.</p>
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		<title>By: mostly harmless</title>
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		<dc:creator>mostly harmless</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Nov 2009 10:32:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Gordon Bennet 24 November 2009, 12:55 pm
On both sides yes?

The usual dumb moral relativism: “The aggressors and their victims are all of a kind”.

Yes how silly of me I should have written,

‘murderers and fanatics’

You mean the Israelis, yes?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Gordon Bennet 24 November 2009, 12:55 pm<br />
On both sides yes?</p>
<p>The usual dumb moral relativism: “The aggressors and their victims are all of a kind”.</p>
<p>Yes how silly of me I should have written,</p>
<p>‘murderers and fanatics’</p>
<p>You mean the Israelis, yes?</p>
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		<title>By: anon</title>
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		<dc:creator>anon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Nov 2009 02:27:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>nodrog,

Why do you post nothing about New Zealand or Australia?
No historical reason at all from them to colonize their
islands.  But, I guess, since they aren&#039;t Jews they don&#039;t
bother you. 

So WHERE do you live? 

When you excoriate true colonialists with the same zeal 
you use to wrongly smear the historical inheritors of the 
Holy Land I might consider you to have some sense of
morality.

Until you do so you are nothing more than a common,
garden variety Jew hater.

----

Europe 1930&#039;s - Jews to Palestine
Europe 2000&#039;s - Jews out of Palestine
Europe to Jews - 
       &#039;Don&#039;t be here ... Don&#039;t be there ... Just Don&#039;t Be!&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>nodrog,</p>
<p>Why do you post nothing about New Zealand or Australia?<br />
No historical reason at all from them to colonize their<br />
islands.  But, I guess, since they aren&#8217;t Jews they don&#8217;t<br />
bother you. </p>
<p>So WHERE do you live? </p>
<p>When you excoriate true colonialists with the same zeal<br />
you use to wrongly smear the historical inheritors of the<br />
Holy Land I might consider you to have some sense of<br />
morality.</p>
<p>Until you do so you are nothing more than a common,<br />
garden variety Jew hater.</p>
<p>&#8212;-</p>
<p>Europe 1930&#8217;s &#8211; Jews to Palestine<br />
Europe 2000&#8217;s &#8211; Jews out of Palestine<br />
Europe to Jews &#8211;<br />
       &#8216;Don&#8217;t be here &#8230; Don&#8217;t be there &#8230; Just Don&#8217;t Be!&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Lbnaz</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lbnaz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Nov 2009 01:56:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;Israel’s military and political leaders, I’m sure, would understand what I have said.&lt;/i&gt;

Well, if no one else, at least MK&#039;s Mohammad Barakeh, Dov Khenin, Ibrahim Sarsur, Ahmad Tibi, Afou Agbaria, Hanna Swaid, Talab El-Sana and Masud Ganaim might understand what you said.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Israel’s military and political leaders, I’m sure, would understand what I have said.</i></p>
<p>Well, if no one else, at least MK&#8217;s Mohammad Barakeh, Dov Khenin, Ibrahim Sarsur, Ahmad Tibi, Afou Agbaria, Hanna Swaid, Talab El-Sana and Masud Ganaim might understand what you said.</p>
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