Comments on: Hungary 90 years ago and today

By: mettaculture

mettaculture — Wed, 25 Nov 2009 16:01:03 +0000

Karl

The photos in your links chill the blood to absolute Zero.

Fortunately from what I can tell Gay pride attracted a larger crowd fo happy people not those scowling misfit military morons.

By: Karl Pfeifer

Karl Pfeifer — Wed, 25 Nov 2009 09:50:32 +0000

I am sorry I wrote above in a great hurry. There should be no question mark after my writing that Horthy administration is responsible for the marking, concentrating, robbing and deporting about half a million of Jewish Hungarian. It is a fact, even if some “revisionists” like @Roamerw1970@ try to deny this.

By: Karl Pfeifer

Karl Pfeifer — Wed, 25 Nov 2009 06:21:15 +0000

@Roamerw1970 you falsify history. a few thousands Jews found refuge
if you write 800.000 then please give us your source.
. But in 1941 about 20.000 Jews, many of them Hungarians who could not prove their citizenship were deported to Kamenets-Podolsk and massacred by Waffen SS.
Horthy resisted? When his administration gave order to mark, to concentrate and to rob the Jews and the csendörség, the Gendarmerie and Police pushed the unfortunate Jewish Hungarians into the cattle-truck?
Yes Horthy made a clumsy attempt on October 15, 1944 to have separate peace and then came the rule of the arrow cross. Now the neo-arrow-cross rabble is marching in the streets of Budapest.
So do not write brazen lies on this website. And Roamer do not call me lier. Of course the Hungarian Guard is paramilitary. I was forced to march in paramilitary Levente, and we had no weapons. So if you march in military formation and wear uníforms, then it you are in a paramilitary formation..
@Fatloser David Irving is no historian. “The truth is, that he is not an historian at all but a falsifier of history. To put it bluntly, he is a liar.”
The British Judge Gray has explained why Irving is not an objective historian and “Irving is anti-semitic. His words are directed against Jews, either individually or collectively, in the sense that they are by turns hostile, critical, offensive and derisory in their references to semitic people, their characteristics and appearances.”

By: Roamerw1970

Roamerw1970 — Wed, 25 Nov 2009 05:05:31 +0000

The Hungarian Guard is NOT a paramilitary group. You need to stop your lies.

By: Roamerw1970

Roamerw1970 — Wed, 25 Nov 2009 05:02:54 +0000

Under Miklos Horthy’s rule more than 800,000 Jews from all over Eastern Europe FOUND SHELTER in Hungary from deportation. Slovakia’s Tiso, Romania’s Antonescu and Croatia’s Pavelic started to deport Jews from day one after they seized control of their respective country. Horthy and Hitler had many fights over the deportation of Jews from Hungary and Horthy resisted and even attempted to get Hungary out of the war, but he finally was forcefully ousted by the Germans. Get your facts straight, learn history and stop spreading lies. Thank you.

By: David All

David All — Tue, 24 Nov 2009 23:10:27 +0000

Thanks, Karl Pfeifer.

By: Graham

Graham — Tue, 24 Nov 2009 22:37:20 +0000

It is far from clear whether putting historians in jail will not INCREASE the likelihood of history repeating itself, particularly if people see it as one law for Jews and another for other genocided peoples.

Hmmm. When was the last time you saw a Nazi demo of this size and intensity in Germany?

By: Fatloser

Fatloser — Tue, 24 Nov 2009 21:31:47 +0000

@Graham

When people suggest that the laws against holocaust denial etc in Germany and Austria should be lifted I always find myself thinking about this sort of thing. Terrible to admit it but a few “historians” jailed looks to me a small price to pay to avoid history repeating itself.

By: Karl Pfeifer

Karl Pfeifer — Tue, 24 Nov 2009 21:03:13 +0000

To avoid misunderstanding the arrowcross criminals killed a lot of Jews, but they could not deport them to Auschwitz-Birkenau because at the time they ruled, the Red Army was advancing quickly.
to make it very clear. The deportation of half a million Hungarian Jews was perpetrated by the Horthy administration, his Gendarms and Policemen in spring 1944 within six weeks.

By: Karl Pfeifer

Karl Pfeifer — Tue, 24 Nov 2009 20:59:28 +0000

David All,
some rightwing historians and journalist do the utmost to falsify history and accuse the arrowcross (Hungarian nazi who came to power on October 15, 1944, when Horthy tried clumsily enough to get a separate peace) to be with the Germans guilty of the mass murder of half a million Jewish Hungarians.
And yes, the first law in Europe to restrict severly the possibility to study of Jewish students was passed in 1920 when every Hungarian party except the Sozialdemocrats wanted to solve the “Jewish Question” and catholic bishop Ottokár Prohászka demanded the same, in a brochure published in Hamburg bei Deutschvölkischer Verlag.