” I suppose Mussolini made the trains run on time.”

No he didn’t. Running trains on time depends on
1) rule of law
2) co-operation

Hi Gordon,

I guess it is less of opportunism and more of cowardice! :)

Such revisions and reforms need to be implemented world-wide, but sadly there is no over-arching body that can be seen to represent the authority needed to do this. This could only really happen under a Caliphate.

The other thing that can only happen under a Caliphate is Jihad for the purpose of invasion rather than defense. I don’t think having a Caliphate is worth that risk.

Of course if there was a Caliphate it would be like other Islamist governments – another taliban/Saudi/Iran. Only secular governments are capable or respecting human rights.

“”in support of social justice, inclusion, fairness and greater community cohesion”.

http://www.mcb.org.uk/comm_details.php?heading_id=103&com_id=1

And, has anyone noticed that there is now a Muslim Council of Scotland and a Muslim Council of Wales which now have the ear of the Scottish and Welsh Governments! It seems that the MCB is behind them!

There is the famous video of the 3-year old girl who is answering questions and states that Jews are apes and pigs, and that is quoting from the Koran.

I upset people here by suggesting that there were bad things in certain scriptures (Moses’ call for the mass slaughter of the Midianites) but the Talmudic interpretations of the Torah etc gave “enlightenment” to minimise the damaging potential that such verses could have condoned.

Judaism, Christianity, and almost every other religion, have been open to reinterpretation, revision.

And the scriptures of Islam need to be revised. The only hope that Islam has of having a peaceful future influence upon global society with no traces of contempt for kaffirs, and no potential threat of religiously-inspired violence, is for root-and-branch revision.

In Turkey in 2006, many Hadiths were being listed as obsolete.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/07/14/AR2006071401381.html?sub=AR

These are – according to the author, Hadith quotes used in Turkey:
“Women are imperfect in intellect and religion.”
“The best of women are those who are like sheep.”
“If a woman doesn’t satisfy her husband’s desires, she should choose herself a place in hell.”
“If a husband’s body is covered with pus and his wife licks it clean, she still wouldn’t have paid her dues.”
“Your prayer will be invalid if a donkey, black dog or a woman passes in front of you.”

Additionally, sexist proverbs that came from the days of the Ottomans were being excised from dictionaries:
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/europe/article686909.ece

These are a few:
“A woman is the devil version of a man”
“Woman is the plaything of the Devil”
“No good comes of corn sown later than August just as no good comes of a woman who rises later than her husband”
“A man preserves a woman like animal skin preserves cheese”
“Even if a woman’s candlestick were gold, it is the man for whom you should light a candle”

Such revisions and reforms need to be implemented world-wide, but sadly there is no over-arching body that can be seen to represent the authority needed to do this. This could only really happen under a Caliphate.

Also I had actually wondered why those hadiths weren’t coming up in the search anymore…

I suppose that was a reasonable stand for usc to take.

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I do not think it is reasonable. Those Hadiths were written, and unless one understands and is aware of them, there is no way of fully understanding why there has been so much anti-Semitic hatred in he Muslim world.

People have tried to suggest that only the arrival of Zionists in Palestine in the 19th century and then the formation of Israel gave Muslims “cause” to be anti-Semitic.

This is the worst fallacy of all, as it presupposes that if Israel just disappeared, that Islamic anti-Semitism would disappear along with it. No. There is a body of anti-Semitic literature and evidence from various schools of jurisprudence to show that such hatred and contempt is integral to some people’s interpretation of Islam.

And it is essential to let people know the truth. Censoring the truth is not – in my opinion – ever “reasonable”.

Do not believe that USC’s collection is the only available online source for these Hadiths.

There are certain truths that many people would rather ignore. Truths must be faced, even if they are unpalatable.

I suppose that was a reasonable stand for usc to take.

Not that it was a death threat, but it was a sign of a rabid anti-Semite, someone already committing a racially motivated hate-crime, and potentially someone who could have had links with, or supported terrorism.

Ok, that’s totally fair.

I’m glad to see that you are not, as as most people do, trying to find a way to finesse a position on the incitement to hatred and murder and genocide in Islam. The problem being that most people figure any problem this big should be excused and pretended away.

I would go so far as to say that you can not teach this stuff to children without creating antisocial attitudes and even turning a few of the children into extreme haters and therefore teaching such passages to children should be absolutely banned.