Comments on: No Sharia law – Support Muslims fighting religious tyranny

By: Dave S

Dave S — Sun, 22 Nov 2009 10:07:27 +0000

Nope. To a lot of people communism and fascism are identical. It has no effect as I am neither.

Not many turned up.

By: Felix (Italy)

Felix (Italy) — Sun, 22 Nov 2009 08:46:04 +0000

Someone called me a fascist!!!!! I will rspond by saying that my accuser is a communist. Just as logical.

By: mettaculture

mettaculture — Sun, 22 Nov 2009 00:11:15 +0000

Venichka, Israelinurse

be carefull of the company you keep.

That sharia law posing as a religious personal domestic law (that has already strayed into the civically illegal non-equal inheritance provisions for sona vs daughters in intestate matters and Imam counselling for wife beaters rather than the criminal prosecution now standard for anyone else)

Has advanced as far as it has because of an extraordinary and at times unknowing but solid coalition of opinion makers.

!. The conservative legal establishment. The paradigm of which is commercial law, contract and arbitration (through an act to allow for and enforce voluntary arbitration Shariah has slipped through).

these reactionaries have opposed almost all civil law reform that impinges on the ‘right’ to make an attrociously unfair and misrepresented agreement, through consumer legislation often com ing from europe, and the ability of ‘clubs’ to have exclusionary policies based upon any criteria that you like.

They hate that this ‘ancient English Liberty’ to be conned by the more knowing conniver’ has been eroded by nasty Voltarian anti discrimination reform, often coming from Europe.

I was in a court of appeals court case where a judge asked why can’t a private club be allowed to discriminate against disabled people it is a private arrangement.

2. The liberal political and legal establishment that think it is inherently progressive to segment and communalise society according to ethno-nationalist and ethno-religous pillars. To oppose Shariah is a species of racism in this view.

3. Religionists who with an eye to halt restore or advance the position of their religion, have engaged in a multi-faith politicisation agenda. They are short sighted and rather foolish as only Islamism has benefited from this arrangement (and perhaps in a destrucdtive side sweep at Anglicanism the Vatican).

There is no evidence that an increasing regard for religious non-discrimination works for anyone other than ‘ethnic’ religious believers.

I don’t get the religionists at all.

I will continue to call you all religionists as long as you mis understand and misrepresent secularism as something other than the centuries long in the development Euro-american solution to religious peace between warring Christian and Jewish sects.

No to Shariah does not mean no to observant Muslims it means no to unequal treatment before the law.

It means no to sacrificing the legal, civic and political emancipation of women within the United Kingdom a struggle that was one for and by the citizens and residents of this state, that we all be equal before the law.

I for one believe that all the people of Britain which ever confessional group lays claim to their allegiance have the universal right of access to that law.

And in this case I don’t care what any sectarian believers choose to say, because I demand as many have fought over the centuries to demand that they be treated equally before the law.

For those religionists who so strongly hold that their religious belief is incompatible with the laws of the land in which they live always have the Mennonite option;

They can hitch up and move from country to country every time the laws demand an unconscionable act (such as the contribution to a National Social Insurance system which caused a mass migration of Canadian and Mexican migration to South America in the 50’s and 60’s).

What is so objectionable for ye of faith to equal treatment before the law, you might surely need it yourself someday?

By: Hugh

Hugh — Sat, 21 Nov 2009 21:42:57 +0000

‘Report of One Law For All Rally Speakers’ Corner London 21st November 2009
From the modest public address set-up not much more than the couple of hundred who attended was expected. Interesting ambient electro music from Resonance FM artists welcomed one. That it continued while event MC, Iranian Secular Society’s Fariborz Pooya began talking was quickly ironed out and both his enthusiasm and message – religious laws basically inhumane – came across loud and clear.
First speaker was Iranian Workers Communist Maryam Namazie. She has a credible and impassioned presence and her current soundbite acceptably is ‘there is nothing sacred except human beings’. She positioned Sharia law as an extension of the political Islamic movement. Like many other rally speakers Namazie fingered extant Sharia courts in Britain as problematical and ‘they must go just as they and their Jewish analogue have been abolished in Canada’.
While comrade Maryam held out the hope that the current political upheaval in Iran signaled the beginning of the end of political Islam, her replacement at the microphone lawyer and Council of Ex-Muslims of Britain’s Asad Abbas pointed to Saudi Arabia as the major proponent and funders of the international extension of Sharia.
Next up was the first of three or four young female poets collectively the Anti Injustice Movement, whose more personal observations, rather than political, were indeed moving.
National Secular Society’s Keith Porteous Wood then set out what we can do now – write to local newspapers make one’s views known to local MP. He encouragingly listed his recent activities which included getting acknowledgement that ‘Sharia is a problem’ from European Commission President Barossa.
It was when Southall Black Sister Rahila Gupta spoke that the heckling began. When she said faith schools is a form of neo-colonialism which leads to increased segregation, a formally dressed man heckled “where’s the evidence”. The uniquely facially haired embellished man ostentatiously attached to a singular valise, eloquently stood his ground while event stewards, police and cameras engaged him. Being a product of a faith school myself I was drawn to his argument that secularism can be fundamentalist too. Most of Gupta’s speech was harrowing reportage from her social worker role supporting victims of patriarchal abuse. However her assertion that ‘the concept of equality in a capitalist society is an empty shell’ was alienating.
National Secular Society’s Terry Sanderson message was brief ‘Sharia law you know where you can shove it’!
In front of the stage was a huge banner resolutely held throughout by an anti death penalty group. It contained execution porno including the image I first saw outside the Iranian embassy, of a young gay man about to be murdered signaling farewell to loved ones within the confines of his ‘cuffed’ hands
My car parking time was running out and I had to leave even though I could see headline acts around me. The big-haired philosopher AC Grayling and, looking healthy and happy in a denim shirt Peter Thatchell.
A charismatic south London musician faithfully strummed Phil Ochs’ When I Am Gone, before International Humanist and Ethical Union’s, Geneva based UN worker, Roy Brown delivered the day’s vital message.
The United Nations is being transformed by the fifty-seven country strong Organisation of Islamic Conference and fellow traveler non aligned nations – China, India, Russia, Brazil Their immediate project is to make blasphemy (peace be upon it) a crime equivalent to racism.

By: Jeffrey

Jeffrey — Sat, 21 Nov 2009 21:00:30 +0000

Why Human Rights Responsibility, Not Communism, is the Answer to Islamic Supremacism
http://www.realcourage.org/2009/11/the-needs-of-the-one/

By: Margie in Tel Aviv

Margie in Tel Aviv — Sat, 21 Nov 2009 20:28:38 +0000

How about including among your lists Palestinian right wingers who call Gilo a settlement, preparatory to a landgrab, though it has a huge majority of Jewish residents, and is clearly within Israel according even to the Geneva agreement

By: Gordon Bennet

Gordon Bennet — Sat, 21 Nov 2009 18:13:53 +0000

As Ed Husain rightly says, they can’t be expected to pass the Israel test everytime they open their mouths; they should also be allowed a critical view. As much as I would like it to be, Israel is not beyond critcism.

This is about as confused as it gets. The Israel test has nothing whatsoever to do with never criticising Israel: it’s about not demonising it, not criticising it out of all proportion to similar criticism of other countries in equivalent situations, and specifically not disallowing the right of the Jews to have a national homeland while allowing it to other nations.

By: Dave S

Dave S — Sat, 21 Nov 2009 17:06:48 +0000

Not many moderate muslims could make it. Did not think many would show up.

Quite scary about that total lack of news items. Zero, zilch, nowt..
Not even an item to say its off.

Free press just rolled over.

anti-muslimism, nope.. I’m pro freedom..

I guess your one of these facists.

By: Felix (Italy)

Felix (Italy) — Sat, 21 Nov 2009 16:37:31 +0000

Ha, ha, ha – so you would be pleased if the rally was a flop. Unless I have misunderstood, this would be a perfect illustartion of the undercurrent of anti-Muslimism on HP.

By: Dave S

Dave S — Sat, 21 Nov 2009 15:57:29 +0000

This Saturday’s London rally against Sharia law and all religious tyrannies should be huge

I guess not..

Seems to be a total news blackout or no one has turned up..

Ha, ha, ha,…