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	<title>Comments on: Harry&#8217;s Place Live!</title>
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		<title>By: Zoya</title>
		<link>http://hurryupharry.org/2009/11/18/harrys-place-live/comment-page-1/#comment-412250</link>
		<dc:creator>Zoya</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Nov 2009 21:20:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Who are these people who apparently go around accusing anybody who criticises Israeli actions of being anti-semitic?  I&#039;ve never met anybody who does this, nor have I seen any statements of this sort on the internet.  Yet I am constantly hearing rumours of their existence.  There must be very few of these people around.

What is the point of going on TV to talk about how vilified you&#039;ve been by these people and taking the heat off the worry about increasing antisemitism?  It doesn&#039;t really seem justified to interrupt a discussion about people being spat at in the street and synangogues being attacked so that you can complain that you have received angry letters from unreasonable people when you wrote articles critical of Israel.  It&#039;s like interrupting a discussion about a serious, life-hindering, incurable disease so that you can complain that your back sometimes hurts when you get up in the morning.

Personally, I think it&#039;s a bad idea to accuse someone of being antisemitic.  It would be better to calmly and reasonably ask them if they understand why people might interpret their comments as hateful stereotyping or incitement to violence.  Calling people names doesn&#039;t usually get them to rethink their opinions.  But it really shouldn&#039;t come as a surprise that some people prefer to name call than have a well-reasoned debate.  It&#039;s no reason to take the heat off antisemitism.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Who are these people who apparently go around accusing anybody who criticises Israeli actions of being anti-semitic?  I&#8217;ve never met anybody who does this, nor have I seen any statements of this sort on the internet.  Yet I am constantly hearing rumours of their existence.  There must be very few of these people around.</p>
<p>What is the point of going on TV to talk about how vilified you&#8217;ve been by these people and taking the heat off the worry about increasing antisemitism?  It doesn&#8217;t really seem justified to interrupt a discussion about people being spat at in the street and synangogues being attacked so that you can complain that you have received angry letters from unreasonable people when you wrote articles critical of Israel.  It&#8217;s like interrupting a discussion about a serious, life-hindering, incurable disease so that you can complain that your back sometimes hurts when you get up in the morning.</p>
<p>Personally, I think it&#8217;s a bad idea to accuse someone of being antisemitic.  It would be better to calmly and reasonably ask them if they understand why people might interpret their comments as hateful stereotyping or incitement to violence.  Calling people names doesn&#8217;t usually get them to rethink their opinions.  But it really shouldn&#8217;t come as a surprise that some people prefer to name call than have a well-reasoned debate.  It&#8217;s no reason to take the heat off antisemitism.</p>
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		<title>By: eh-oop</title>
		<link>http://hurryupharry.org/2009/11/18/harrys-place-live/comment-page-1/#comment-412206</link>
		<dc:creator>eh-oop</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Nov 2009 15:50:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Straws in the wind, perhaps.  But there are miles left to go before &quot;objectivity&quot; is a word one can once again associate with BBC reporting.  Take Barbara Plett’s unqualified comment on the vote on a draft resolution condemning the lack of human rights in Iran at a committee of the UN General Assembly (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/8371801.stm), where she takes the trouble to state that “some of those countries which did not vote for the resolution did have concerns about the state of political rights in Iran, but objected to the practice of singling out specific countries for condemnation”. You have to look on http://www.un.org/News/Press/docs/2009/gashc3968.doc.htm to identify some of these most principled of principled nations, but there you’ll find the comments of Sudan, Cuba, Libya and Venezuela.  Syria’s representative couldn’t have put it more clearly: “…opposition to the practice of submitting country-specific resolutions on human rights situations, which selectively targeted developing and Islamic countries for political reasons.  It reaffirmed that that practice transformed the work on human rights into a political exercise, and did not advance the cause.  The OIC was against any initiative that might lead to the use of human rights as means of exerting political pressure on any Member State.  It believed that country-specific resolutions on human rights situations would inevitably politicize the work of human rights bodies instead of advancing the promotion of human rights”.  Well, if not exactly proof of “some nations are more equal than others” groupthink between Barbara and her editor, at least it’s proof of the  BBC&#039;s readiness to insult everyone’s intelligence.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Straws in the wind, perhaps.  But there are miles left to go before &#8220;objectivity&#8221; is a word one can once again associate with BBC reporting.  Take Barbara Plett’s unqualified comment on the vote on a draft resolution condemning the lack of human rights in Iran at a committee of the UN General Assembly (<a href="http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/8371801.stm" rel="nofollow">http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/8371801.stm</a>), where she takes the trouble to state that “some of those countries which did not vote for the resolution did have concerns about the state of political rights in Iran, but objected to the practice of singling out specific countries for condemnation”. You have to look on <a href="http://www.un.org/News/Press/docs/2009/gashc3968.doc.htm" rel="nofollow">http://www.un.org/News/Press/docs/2009/gashc3968.doc.htm</a> to identify some of these most principled of principled nations, but there you’ll find the comments of Sudan, Cuba, Libya and Venezuela.  Syria’s representative couldn’t have put it more clearly: “…opposition to the practice of submitting country-specific resolutions on human rights situations, which selectively targeted developing and Islamic countries for political reasons.  It reaffirmed that that practice transformed the work on human rights into a political exercise, and did not advance the cause.  The OIC was against any initiative that might lead to the use of human rights as means of exerting political pressure on any Member State.  It believed that country-specific resolutions on human rights situations would inevitably politicize the work of human rights bodies instead of advancing the promotion of human rights”.  Well, if not exactly proof of “some nations are more equal than others” groupthink between Barbara and her editor, at least it’s proof of the  BBC&#8217;s readiness to insult everyone’s intelligence.</p>
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		<title>By: amie</title>
		<link>http://hurryupharry.org/2009/11/18/harrys-place-live/comment-page-1/#comment-412125</link>
		<dc:creator>amie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Nov 2009 11:12:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>blah blah: much appreciated</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>blah blah: much appreciated</p>
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		<title>By: ArnoldT</title>
		<link>http://hurryupharry.org/2009/11/18/harrys-place-live/comment-page-1/#comment-412118</link>
		<dc:creator>ArnoldT</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Nov 2009 09:48:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>blah blah 

thanks</description>
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<p>thanks</p>
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		<title>By: JewliaRoberts</title>
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		<dc:creator>JewliaRoberts</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Nov 2009 09:09:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>blah blah - you have no idea how good it feels to read your post, thank you</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>blah blah &#8211; you have no idea how good it feels to read your post, thank you</p>
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		<title>By: Jonathan S</title>
		<link>http://hurryupharry.org/2009/11/18/harrys-place-live/comment-page-1/#comment-412070</link>
		<dc:creator>Jonathan S</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Nov 2009 01:35:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>very interesting to read, blah blah. And hi, nice to meet you.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>very interesting to read, blah blah. And hi, nice to meet you.</p>
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		<title>By: David All</title>
		<link>http://hurryupharry.org/2009/11/18/harrys-place-live/comment-page-1/#comment-412020</link>
		<dc:creator>David All</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Nov 2009 21:53:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The anti-Obama ranters increasingly sound like the anti-Israeli ranters except the anti-Obama crowd is not quite as vitrol, at least not yet.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The anti-Obama ranters increasingly sound like the anti-Israeli ranters except the anti-Obama crowd is not quite as vitrol, at least not yet.</p>
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		<title>By: blah blah</title>
		<link>http://hurryupharry.org/2009/11/18/harrys-place-live/comment-page-1/#comment-412021</link>
		<dc:creator>blah blah</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Nov 2009 21:48:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The &quot;British-Israeli&quot; Hadar also came across very well, making good points.

I am not jewish. I have no jewish friends (not through choice!). I am a gay indigineous Brit who has an arab (christian) partner who came here as a refugee and deeply dislikes Israel. In other words, I have absolutely no personal reason to support Israel or jews - but over the past year or so from reading here and elsewhere I have recognised the huge problem of anti-semitism, the threat of Islamism and the hypocritical double standards of the anti-Israel lobby.

In several muslim countries we have adulterers, gay people, apostates etc being hanged, crucified, lashed or even stoned to the death, in the 21st century. How can anyone devote themselves to anti-Israel protests when we have things like this going on in some of the neighbouring countries? In Israel, as far as I can see, there is a proper democratic system, with citizen&#039;s rights and freedoms protected. It&#039;s a glimmering example as to what the other middle eastern countries should be aiming for in a legal and social sense. Yes, it has faults, but those faults pale into insignificance when we look at the things going on in the surrounding region, which parts of the left seem frightened to criticise in case it&#039;s &quot;Islamophobic&quot;.

Anyway - just wanted to give support to you guys from a non-jew.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The &#8220;British-Israeli&#8221; Hadar also came across very well, making good points.</p>
<p>I am not jewish. I have no jewish friends (not through choice!). I am a gay indigineous Brit who has an arab (christian) partner who came here as a refugee and deeply dislikes Israel. In other words, I have absolutely no personal reason to support Israel or jews &#8211; but over the past year or so from reading here and elsewhere I have recognised the huge problem of anti-semitism, the threat of Islamism and the hypocritical double standards of the anti-Israel lobby.</p>
<p>In several muslim countries we have adulterers, gay people, apostates etc being hanged, crucified, lashed or even stoned to the death, in the 21st century. How can anyone devote themselves to anti-Israel protests when we have things like this going on in some of the neighbouring countries? In Israel, as far as I can see, there is a proper democratic system, with citizen&#8217;s rights and freedoms protected. It&#8217;s a glimmering example as to what the other middle eastern countries should be aiming for in a legal and social sense. Yes, it has faults, but those faults pale into insignificance when we look at the things going on in the surrounding region, which parts of the left seem frightened to criticise in case it&#8217;s &#8220;Islamophobic&#8221;.</p>
<p>Anyway &#8211; just wanted to give support to you guys from a non-jew.</p>
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		<title>By: Paul M</title>
		<link>http://hurryupharry.org/2009/11/18/harrys-place-live/comment-page-1/#comment-411994</link>
		<dc:creator>Paul M</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Nov 2009 20:15:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Interesting to see Tony Greenstein and Haim Bresheeth hell-bent on dismissing the rise in antisemitism despite the documented evidence, and diverting the discussion into a debate about Israel. The message — despite token declarations that antisemitism is, &lt;i&gt;of course&lt;/i&gt;, unacceptable — is that anyone who doesn&#039;t share their opinion of Israel can expect whatever they get. It&#039;s as if Nicky Campbell had asked them to give an on-camera demonstration of the way anti-Zionists license and facilitate antisemitism.

And in passing, wasn&#039;t anyone at the BBC paying attention when the screen labels for the participants were being written? &quot;Alex Goldberg, Chief Executive, London Jewish Forum&quot;, &quot;Jonathan Sacerdoti, The Zionist Federation&quot;, &lt;i&gt;&quot;Haim Bresheeth, Vilified by Zionists&quot;&lt;/i&gt;. Or is that how he introduces himself to strangers?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Interesting to see Tony Greenstein and Haim Bresheeth hell-bent on dismissing the rise in antisemitism despite the documented evidence, and diverting the discussion into a debate about Israel. The message — despite token declarations that antisemitism is, <i>of course</i>, unacceptable — is that anyone who doesn&#8217;t share their opinion of Israel can expect whatever they get. It&#8217;s as if Nicky Campbell had asked them to give an on-camera demonstration of the way anti-Zionists license and facilitate antisemitism.</p>
<p>And in passing, wasn&#8217;t anyone at the BBC paying attention when the screen labels for the participants were being written? &#8220;Alex Goldberg, Chief Executive, London Jewish Forum&#8221;, &#8220;Jonathan Sacerdoti, The Zionist Federation&#8221;, <i>&#8220;Haim Bresheeth, Vilified by Zionists&#8221;</i>. Or is that how he introduces himself to strangers?</p>
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		<title>By: jonathan s</title>
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		<dc:creator>jonathan s</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Nov 2009 19:04:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I was also pleased to hear Nicky Campbell asking about the influence of Islamic teachings upon antisemitism. We talked a little after the show and I found him to be a decent guy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was also pleased to hear Nicky Campbell asking about the influence of Islamic teachings upon antisemitism. We talked a little after the show and I found him to be a decent guy.</p>
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