“I’d also like to question Brett on the complete absence of spontaneous, ’self-propelled’ demonstrations and rallies on the part of moderate Muslims to denounce the radicals, and just what that absence means. Sometimes it’s not what you see that counts, but rather what you don’t see.”

Well, I’m not noticing many mainstream Christians spending their time denoucing Jehovah’s Witnesses. Why would they bother?

Good. That’s the right attitude – there are crap muslims and muslims you don’t care about and good one’s that you like. They’re people, so what’re the odds they’re all great? A bejillion to one, same goes for any other group of people. Be nice, but, if Harry’s Place would stop saying ‘muslims’ and start recognising the countries of origin of the people who practice this selected and misogynistic self-pitying faith. Cos if you don’t, you’re falling for that stupid ummah’ thing they’ve got going, the muslims. And that’s their major problem – cos it just lets them be a lump, and it lets them feel self-pity when one of their crazier practitioner states and peoples gets it in the neck. Afghan muslims and Pakistani muslims seem to me to be way shittier as blokes than Malaysian muslims, say.

That is not a bigoted position, but I’ve heard SIOE spokespeople saying they believe that moderate, secular Muslims are merely trying to trick us.

Perfectly reasonable post, spoilt by this rather unthinking and petulant jibe. However, I suspect that such a remark comes from a subtle but serious misreading of the conflict that we are now in.

I followed your link, and found the strapline for this group: Racism is the lowest form of human stupidity, but Islamophobia is the height of common sense. Please explain to me, Brett, what is “bigoted” about such a position. I agree with it completely, so does that make me a “bigot”? To stop the evil doctrine of Nazism we had to fight Germans, so were we Krautophobes during WW2?

Let us please have some clear thinking in this debate and not well meaning gut reaction, because the people we are dealing with are not well meaning. Those that we are pleased to call “moderates” among European Muslims would fall quickly into line should the Jihadis gain any real power in Europe, just as ordinary Germans fell in behind the Nazis. It may go against all your liberal instincts, but we have a problem with Muslims in Europe, and not just the Jihadis.

Our leaders should also be clear in their positions. Jihad is a vile, wicked doctrine and it is not “Islamophobic” (in the sly facile meaning of the word as Muslim hating) to say so. We cannot continue to consider those who wish to enslave us merely as criminals – they are warriors, and we should frame our laws to deal with them as such. The “far right’s” position on Islam squares with that of the Jihadis for very sound historical and theological reasons: that is what centuries of Islamic Jurisprudence defines it as, and no one who values his life dare countermand it.

The fact that Christianity has mellowed over the past centuries does not mean that such Jurisprudence is suddenly invalid because Muslim nations have joined the UN. Their behaviour in the UN shows that they merely consider it as a convenient way to pursue Jihad by other means.

If you know the enemy and know yourself, you need not fear the result of a hundred battles. If you know yourself but not the enemy, for every victory gained you will also suffer a defeat. If you know neither the enemy nor yourself, you will succumb in every battle. – Sun Tzu

“I blame the Irish priesthood ”

Calm down now me boyos. Sure isn’t that Osama Kelly lunatic the only ever Irish suicide bomber ever to be sure. I would’a thought that the sensible characters that post on Harrys grand place, being that they have degrees from Oxbridge and the like, Surely educated people like yourselves Abdul and Eddie I mean youz in particular, surely you can’t be believing that the one crazy Jackeen is a trend that can be extrapolated to either Catholics or Irish. You should go off now and say three Hail Mary’s and ask for forgiveness for being such stupid bigots.

The president of Turkey, moderate Turkey, tells it straight in the link below. I mean, he must know what he’s talking about since he is the head of one of the worlds largest Muslims countries and seeings he is a devout Muslim leading an Islamist party. Can we assume that his total rejection of the possibility of a’moderate’ islam marks him as an anti-Muslim bigot.

http://www.thememriblog.org/turkey/blog_personal/en/2595.htm

Why is the jihadist allowed to keep his 3 year old son whom he wants to become a suicide bomber?

Recently in Canada a neo-nazi couple had their children taken from them because they were indoctrinating them and teaching them violence.

Lastly, I’d also like to question Brett on the complete absence of spontaneous, ’self-propelled’ demonstrations and rallies on the part of moderate Muslims to denounce the radicals, and just what that absence means. Sometimes it’s not what you see that counts, but rather what you don’t see.

Interesting. Is this humour, irony, or genuine moral relativism?

Did he have trouble finding the trigger? What a fucking moron.