Nachman, are you seriously saying that a post about the rights of MJs in Israel is a type of “brainwashing” or “bullying”? Is your own faith really that weak?

The issue is not the rights of MJs in Israel but the right of a sovereign country to determine its own immigration and social policies.

In the view of most Jews and most Israelis, MJs are Christians. Israel is entirely within its rights to decide MJs not included in the law of return.

As representive of and refuge for a people long murdered for rejection of Christanity, Israel is also within its rights to oppose proselytisation of Jews by Christians (including MJs) within its country.

Further, Israel’s government is democratic. Terming “fascist” any current Israeli government member individual or organisation is beynd the pale – false, provocative and offensive to the memory of the millions of Jews and others murdered by fascists.

Yeze

What missionary message have you seen, other than Messianic Jews should enjoy the same rights and freedoms as any other Jews?

You ought to stop butting your head against the wall. Israel considers you Christians and will always do so.

Mr Dan

Mrs A is very sad to see such sentiments. She thinks you have a lot of bitterness in your soul and should lighten up.
There are pills out there to help you know. My nephew Ahmed is a doctor and I shall speak to him.

Watch this space.

Peace be upon you Mr Dan.

Amie: Dan Cohn-Sherbok is a Reform Rabbi, who therefore disproves Judy’s assertion that “There is no variety of Judaism, including the most radical reformists that accepts that believers in Jesus of Nazareth as the Messiah can be Jews.” Reconstructionist rabbi Carol Harris-Shapiro says the same.

HP is coming to resemble the Guardian in (a) harping on real or fabricated Isael defects (b) hostility to letting Jews be Jews (c) interference ofen in what should be Israeli iterna affairs.

We greatly respect all other beliefs and would appreciate it if our faith is treated in the same fashion…. If this is to be the way forward then I for one would like to see a spokesman from Chabad/Aish being given a chance to spread their respective anti-missionary messages!

What missionary message have you seen, other than Messianic Jews should enjoy the same rights and freedoms as any other Jews?

The draconian laws we have in this country would have been all over any real incidence of what you claim.

As for the police, they are merely the uniformed branch of the Labour Party now: Hopelessly politicised.

But do the police themselves really lie about immigrant crime to influence elections for their own political ends? Well, it wouldn’t be the first time. This example is from Australia, still far away from the politicised police ‘leaders’ we have:

“CHRISTINE Nixon has proved we still can’t hold a frank and honest debate on immigration.

Worse, our supposedly apolitical Chief Commissioner of Police has showed that by giving us false crime figures just before the federal election.

These were figures that made African refugees in Victoria seem law-abiding, rather than so law-breaking that as many as one in 10 Sudanese immigrants might have been investigated for alleged crimes.

In so misinforming us just weeks before the poll, Nixon not only helped to turn voters against the Howard government, but hid from us the terrible scale of a crime problem her police now struggle to contain.

And, most miserably, she fed a campaign of abuse against the immigration affairs minister, Kevin Andrews, that was so vitriolic it may have ended an honest man’s career…

It took more than a year – until this week, in fact, – for me to belatedly decide to check Nixon’s figures, that had persuaded me and many others to hit Andrews rather than heed him.

My suspicions had been mounting, you see. Police on the front lines were telling me of the trouble they had with African gangs – a term banned by Nixon to reassure the public.

African gangs even fought a battle in Highpoint Shopping Centre, and Indian cabbies meanwhile complained of being robbed by Africans in the inner city and around the Flemington housing commission flats.

In the past six weeks alone, 16 robberies or armed robberies have been reported to police in just Flemington and Ascot Vale, all blamed on Africans. But last week we discovered how slow is police command to confront criminals from this ethnic group – and add to the crime statistics.

It dropped charges against men arrested at a confrontation last December in which some 100 Africans surrounded 21 police and sent one to hospital with suspected cracked ribs.

Sen-Sgt Mario Benedetti, in charge of Moonee Ponds police station, says he suspects the charges were dropped because of the alleged offenders’ race. Other police involved tell me the same, adding that the charges were dropped without their knowledge or consent.

But what ultimately pushed me to check Nixon’s figures at last was an admission last week by a senior South Australian policeman after two Sudanese gangs clashed in Adelaide, leaving one boy dead.

Deputy Commissioner Gary Burns conceded his force faced “an emerging, probably contemporary, policing issue”. Over the past 16 months, 450 offences had been committed by 93 members of Adelaide’s 1500-strong Sudanese community.

His figures, if accurate, are astonishing. That’s one in 16 Sudanese immigrants in Adelaide committing a crime, on average, every three months.

And so I checked at last Nixon’s assurances about crime among our own African refugees.

The Victoria Police Crime Statistics 2006-07 records that 115 Somalis allegedly committed a crime that year. Given the 2006 Census says 2626 Somalia-born people live in Victoria, the police figures mean one in 23 Somalis was allegedly involved in crime in just one year. For the rest of us, it’s just one in 85.

The police statistics for some reason do not include separate figures for Victorians born in Sudan. But Nixon last year said Sudanese made up “about 1 per cent of the people we deal with” – or about 600 of the 60,000 alleged offenders in 2006-07.

With 6206 Sudanese in Victoria, according to the Census, that means around one in 10 is an alleged criminal.”

http://www.news.com.au/heraldsun/story/0,21985,24672971-25717,00.html

I think this is an investigation for Watchdog. Those bloody Christians preying on Jews trying to sell their religion back to them and then, bam, without knowing it they’ve accepted Jesus as their Lord and Saviour and the state of Israel vanishes.

Judy,
“If it was the case that you don’t give a toss about missionary conversionists, then you wouldn’t be very regularly running posts from Christian missionaries trying to convert Jews to Christianity by pretending that their brand of Christianity is Judaism.”

When has David Toube said that MJ was anything other than Protestant Christianity with Jewish trappings?

The key issue is that DavidT along with the rest of the HP collective is happy to validate the claims by publishing post after post after post by active conversionist Christians who fraudulently seek to pass themselves off as Jews when they are Christian missionaries dedicated to converting Jews.

This is of course very different from the many believing Christians who might wish that Jews (and Muslims and atheists) would convert to Christianity but do not go out actively trying to hard-sell Christianity to vulnerable and gullible Jews by fraudulently packaging it as Judaism.