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		<title>By: carrie</title>
		<link>http://hurryupharry.org/2009/11/12/denouncing-anwar-al-awlaki/comment-page-1/#comment-410977</link>
		<dc:creator>carrie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Nov 2009 09:24:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hassan Is A COWARD. As an officer, you can resign your commission at any time. He could have gotten out of the service. He deserves to live the rest of his life in a wheelchair, with his hands hurting 24/7. Life in prision. NO death penalty. Live the rest of your life in a 9x9 cell, knowing what you have done to innocent people doing exactly what the islamic people are doing...protecting what they believe in. Is your only answer violence? He shoots up a building of unarmed men. hmm tough guy. He is NOT a hero. I guess he is going to have to wait for his virgins huh? so tell me. What good are the virgins after you have laid them all? is that when you go to hell?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hassan Is A COWARD. As an officer, you can resign your commission at any time. He could have gotten out of the service. He deserves to live the rest of his life in a wheelchair, with his hands hurting 24/7. Life in prision. NO death penalty. Live the rest of your life in a 9&#215;9 cell, knowing what you have done to innocent people doing exactly what the islamic people are doing&#8230;protecting what they believe in. Is your only answer violence? He shoots up a building of unarmed men. hmm tough guy. He is NOT a hero. I guess he is going to have to wait for his virgins huh? so tell me. What good are the virgins after you have laid them all? is that when you go to hell?</p>
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		<title>By: Dhaibhidh C Mhac Dhuihdhlheigh</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dhaibhidh C Mhac Dhuihdhlheigh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Nov 2009 22:15:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You&#039;re all a bunch of Islamophobes.</description>
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		<title>By: cjcjc</title>
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		<dc:creator>cjcjc</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Nov 2009 10:30:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Would this be the speech where Brown said that immigration should be a central political issue?
The same speech which is in fact his very first on this central issue?

And he wonders why he is ignored?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Would this be the speech where Brown said that immigration should be a central political issue?<br />
The same speech which is in fact his very first on this central issue?</p>
<p>And he wonders why he is ignored?</p>
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		<title>By: M*o*r*g*o*t*h</title>
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		<dc:creator>M*o*r*g*o*t*h</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Nov 2009 02:00:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>First, kill all the lawyers, as the Bard was meant to have said.</description>
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		<title>By: Monty</title>
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		<dc:creator>Monty</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Nov 2009 23:41:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Naxy:

&quot;bleeding heart ‘beautiful people’ &quot;

Well caught, that man.

What a brilliant way of casting the bulk of western society as unlovely monsters. Designate a caste of &quot;beautiful people&quot; and make bloody sure your opponents are not among them. 

Simples.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Naxy:</p>
<p>&#8220;bleeding heart ‘beautiful people’ &#8221;</p>
<p>Well caught, that man.</p>
<p>What a brilliant way of casting the bulk of western society as unlovely monsters. Designate a caste of &#8220;beautiful people&#8221; and make bloody sure your opponents are not among them. </p>
<p>Simples.</p>
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		<title>By: Adrian Morgan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Adrian Morgan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Nov 2009 23:33:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great response, mettaculture.

You are entirely right. And it is over issues like Guantanamo, extraordinary renditions and detentions that Islamists have a never-ending source of public grievance to milk for all they are worth. And the leftist luvvies fall over themselves to &quot;empathise&quot; with victims of such injustices. The Islamists also know that the nature of some of their people is problematic for free societies - they observe no national boundaries and plot to overthrow those freedoms using maximum force.

We have given in to Islamism for too long. If people do not want to be part of this country, and if they feel more empathy for people in countries they have never been to, they do nothing for our society.

Britain&#039;s Muslims come from a diverse range of cultures and societies, and have various language and politics. What I find disturbing is that many Imams in mosques are often &quot;Islamist&quot; in outlook as the political animals of MB, Jamaat-e-Islami, Tablighi etc. Politically the collectivism of telling all these diverse communities that they must follow &quot;Islam&quot; at all costs serves to make them into &quot;block votes&quot; that must politically be taken seriously. 

This forces a mini theocratic conformity onto the diverse communities. Far from spreading &quot;multiculturalism&quot; it creates a weird Islamically-dictated monoculture in our ghettoes and suburbs.

It does not lead to true social cohesion, it only serves to put up boundaries between Muslims and non-Muslims.

But the lawyers are strange creatures. Anyone who ostensibly claims to act for the underdog and charges at least £140 per hour (ultimately filched from the taxpayer via legal aid) has the seeds of moral contradiction within. 

Mudassar Arani has done some bizarre things - things that could (if I did not want to get sued for libel) could be considered as verging on something similar to bribery and corruption - as when she gave money to 21/7 bomb-plotter Manfo Asiedu - when he was not even her client:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/6487669.stm

Arani is stridently Islamist, as in her demands for her convicted terrorist clients to be treated as &quot;prisoners of war&quot;
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-468298/Jailed-terrorist-fanatics-treated-prisoners-war.html
Even though I disagree totally with this position, I can at least respect her integrity to be honest enough about where she is coming from. 

But I am wary of lawyers (sorry DavidT!). Helena Kennedy was made famous through her support for the Guildford Four, but I do not see her acting on cases of injustice/wrongful imprisonment any more. Leastways, not with Islamist cases. I wonder why...

To reiterate points about the strange people who are currently advising the government, and claiming to speak for all Muslims, there is a very good article here by Martin Bright in the Jewish Chronicle, entitled &quot;Whitehall in turmoil over Muslim advisers.&quot;

http://www.thejc.com/news/uk-news/21912/whitehall-turmoil-over-muslim-advisers</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great response, mettaculture.</p>
<p>You are entirely right. And it is over issues like Guantanamo, extraordinary renditions and detentions that Islamists have a never-ending source of public grievance to milk for all they are worth. And the leftist luvvies fall over themselves to &#8220;empathise&#8221; with victims of such injustices. The Islamists also know that the nature of some of their people is problematic for free societies &#8211; they observe no national boundaries and plot to overthrow those freedoms using maximum force.</p>
<p>We have given in to Islamism for too long. If people do not want to be part of this country, and if they feel more empathy for people in countries they have never been to, they do nothing for our society.</p>
<p>Britain&#8217;s Muslims come from a diverse range of cultures and societies, and have various language and politics. What I find disturbing is that many Imams in mosques are often &#8220;Islamist&#8221; in outlook as the political animals of MB, Jamaat-e-Islami, Tablighi etc. Politically the collectivism of telling all these diverse communities that they must follow &#8220;Islam&#8221; at all costs serves to make them into &#8220;block votes&#8221; that must politically be taken seriously. </p>
<p>This forces a mini theocratic conformity onto the diverse communities. Far from spreading &#8220;multiculturalism&#8221; it creates a weird Islamically-dictated monoculture in our ghettoes and suburbs.</p>
<p>It does not lead to true social cohesion, it only serves to put up boundaries between Muslims and non-Muslims.</p>
<p>But the lawyers are strange creatures. Anyone who ostensibly claims to act for the underdog and charges at least £140 per hour (ultimately filched from the taxpayer via legal aid) has the seeds of moral contradiction within. </p>
<p>Mudassar Arani has done some bizarre things &#8211; things that could (if I did not want to get sued for libel) could be considered as verging on something similar to bribery and corruption &#8211; as when she gave money to 21/7 bomb-plotter Manfo Asiedu &#8211; when he was not even her client:<br />
<a href="http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/6487669.stm" rel="nofollow">http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/6487669.stm</a></p>
<p>Arani is stridently Islamist, as in her demands for her convicted terrorist clients to be treated as &#8220;prisoners of war&#8221;<br />
<a href="http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-468298/Jailed-terrorist-fanatics-treated-prisoners-war.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-468298/Jailed-terrorist-fanatics-treated-prisoners-war.html</a><br />
Even though I disagree totally with this position, I can at least respect her integrity to be honest enough about where she is coming from. </p>
<p>But I am wary of lawyers (sorry DavidT!). Helena Kennedy was made famous through her support for the Guildford Four, but I do not see her acting on cases of injustice/wrongful imprisonment any more. Leastways, not with Islamist cases. I wonder why&#8230;</p>
<p>To reiterate points about the strange people who are currently advising the government, and claiming to speak for all Muslims, there is a very good article here by Martin Bright in the Jewish Chronicle, entitled &#8220;Whitehall in turmoil over Muslim advisers.&#8221;</p>
<p><a href="http://www.thejc.com/news/uk-news/21912/whitehall-turmoil-over-muslim-advisers" rel="nofollow">http://www.thejc.com/news/uk-news/21912/whitehall-turmoil-over-muslim-advisers</a></p>
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		<title>By: Anaximanders other sandal</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anaximanders other sandal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Nov 2009 23:19:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>“The fact that these human rights Lawyers seem incapable of giving their clients the respect of considering that they may be active calculating and dissembling violent ideologues with a clear and coherent ideology and an equally clear though manifestly warped and unspeakably cruel and violent method for advancing their ideological aims, means that they must presumptively be considered ignorant, wreckless or determinedly blind and racistly unaware that brown people who have been arrested for terrorist related offences might not inevitably be innocent victims of a reactionary political collective targetting but actual individually culpable and active agents motivated to support or practise Jihadi inspired terrorist acts.”

Yes indeed, a very cogent reading of the phenomena of the bleeding heart  &#039;we are more civilized then these deluded savages, they just need our love and protection&#039; meme. 

Some of these people remind of the Victorian era &quot;civilizers&quot;.

I wouldn&#039;t be surprised if some of these bleeding heart &#039;beautiful people&#039; suggest introducing phrenology into the justice system as a way of showing how these poor victims of imperialism have been oppressed by the evil Westerners.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>“The fact that these human rights Lawyers seem incapable of giving their clients the respect of considering that they may be active calculating and dissembling violent ideologues with a clear and coherent ideology and an equally clear though manifestly warped and unspeakably cruel and violent method for advancing their ideological aims, means that they must presumptively be considered ignorant, wreckless or determinedly blind and racistly unaware that brown people who have been arrested for terrorist related offences might not inevitably be innocent victims of a reactionary political collective targetting but actual individually culpable and active agents motivated to support or practise Jihadi inspired terrorist acts.”</p>
<p>Yes indeed, a very cogent reading of the phenomena of the bleeding heart  &#8216;we are more civilized then these deluded savages, they just need our love and protection&#8217; meme. </p>
<p>Some of these people remind of the Victorian era &#8220;civilizers&#8221;.</p>
<p>I wouldn&#8217;t be surprised if some of these bleeding heart &#8216;beautiful people&#8217; suggest introducing phrenology into the justice system as a way of showing how these poor victims of imperialism have been oppressed by the evil Westerners.</p>
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		<title>By: Monty</title>
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		<dc:creator>Monty</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Nov 2009 23:12:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Anaximanders other sandal	   	
	  12 November 2009, 11:40 pm


“It is high time we stopped being as stupid as they think we are.”

I concur, but surely they must have some sense of self preservation, they don’t all come from muslim majority constituencies.
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Naxy, most of them come from constituencies where they reckon the public have &quot;nobody else to vote for&quot;. And this is as significant in Horsham as it is in Tower Hamlets. 

So they ignore the interests of the bulk, and go chasing the marginals. They always shaft the loyal, committed, voter, in favour of the fly-by-night. They do it because they can. This is how we get fleeced by political parties.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Anaximanders other sandal<br />
	  12 November 2009, 11:40 pm</p>
<p>“It is high time we stopped being as stupid as they think we are.”</p>
<p>I concur, but surely they must have some sense of self preservation, they don’t all come from muslim majority constituencies.<br />
&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;</p>
<p>Naxy, most of them come from constituencies where they reckon the public have &#8220;nobody else to vote for&#8221;. And this is as significant in Horsham as it is in Tower Hamlets. </p>
<p>So they ignore the interests of the bulk, and go chasing the marginals. They always shaft the loyal, committed, voter, in favour of the fly-by-night. They do it because they can. This is how we get fleeced by political parties.</p>
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		<title>By: Monty</title>
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		<dc:creator>Monty</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Nov 2009 23:04:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Especially this bit:

&quot;The fact that these human rights Lawyers seem incapable of giving their clients the respect of considering that they may be active calculating and dissembling violent ideologues with a clear and coherent ideology and an equally clear though manifestly warped and unspeakably cruel and violent method for advancing their ideological aims, means that they must presumptively be considered ignorant, wreckless or determinedly blind and racistly unaware that brown people who have been arrested for terrorist related offences might not inevitably be innocent victims of a reactionary political collective targetting but actual individually culpable and active agents motivated to support or practise Jihadi inspired terrorist acts.&quot;

They are treating their clients as noble savages. Because they are brown people.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Especially this bit:</p>
<p>&#8220;The fact that these human rights Lawyers seem incapable of giving their clients the respect of considering that they may be active calculating and dissembling violent ideologues with a clear and coherent ideology and an equally clear though manifestly warped and unspeakably cruel and violent method for advancing their ideological aims, means that they must presumptively be considered ignorant, wreckless or determinedly blind and racistly unaware that brown people who have been arrested for terrorist related offences might not inevitably be innocent victims of a reactionary political collective targetting but actual individually culpable and active agents motivated to support or practise Jihadi inspired terrorist acts.&#8221;</p>
<p>They are treating their clients as noble savages. Because they are brown people.</p>
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		<title>By: Monty</title>
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		<dc:creator>Monty</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Nov 2009 22:58:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Quite right Metta, and well said.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Quite right Metta, and well said.</p>
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