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	<title>Comments on: Shlomo the Sandlout</title>
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	<description>Liberty, if it means anything, is the right to tell people what they don&#039;t want to hear</description>
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		<title>By: alanP</title>
		<link>http://hurryupharry.org/2009/11/10/shlomo-the-sandlout/comment-page-4/#comment-408825</link>
		<dc:creator>alanP</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Nov 2009 08:47:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>http://www.ft.com/cms/s/2/b74fdfd2-cfe1-11de-a36d-00144feabdc0.html 

Schama writes about Sand in FT today</description>
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<p>Schama writes about Sand in FT today</p>
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		<title>By: alanP</title>
		<link>http://hurryupharry.org/2009/11/10/shlomo-the-sandlout/comment-page-4/#comment-408383</link>
		<dc:creator>alanP</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Nov 2009 12:09:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>http://thecst.org.uk/blog/?p=876</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://thecst.org.uk/blog/?p=876" rel="nofollow">http://thecst.org.uk/blog/?p=876</a></p>
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		<title>By: freddie</title>
		<link>http://hurryupharry.org/2009/11/10/shlomo-the-sandlout/comment-page-4/#comment-408236</link>
		<dc:creator>freddie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Nov 2009 22:56:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;I blame the misinformation on the people on these boards who believe that Jews are of the same blood and that that blood is from that soil.&quot;

Well Angus, if you feel the need to blame people it might as well be them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;I blame the misinformation on the people on these boards who believe that Jews are of the same blood and that that blood is from that soil.&#8221;</p>
<p>Well Angus, if you feel the need to blame people it might as well be them.</p>
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		<title>By: freddie</title>
		<link>http://hurryupharry.org/2009/11/10/shlomo-the-sandlout/comment-page-4/#comment-408235</link>
		<dc:creator>freddie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Nov 2009 22:55:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;…citation, please.&quot;

Akus.


&quot;To mistype “scare quotes” once is an indication of something...&quot;

It would be indicative of a mistype (if it was a mistype).


&quot;...but to spell argument as “arguement” so many times that I got bored counting...&quot;

Well don&#039;t count, and preserve the exitement.


&quot;not his real name...&quot;

In what way not my real name? 


&quot;...has a thing about blood and soil.&quot;

I do. The thing I have about is that it&#039;s the thing I was discussing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;…citation, please.&#8221;</p>
<p>Akus.</p>
<p>&#8220;To mistype “scare quotes” once is an indication of something&#8230;&#8221;</p>
<p>It would be indicative of a mistype (if it was a mistype).</p>
<p>&#8220;&#8230;but to spell argument as “arguement” so many times that I got bored counting&#8230;&#8221;</p>
<p>Well don&#8217;t count, and preserve the exitement.</p>
<p>&#8220;not his real name&#8230;&#8221;</p>
<p>In what way not my real name? </p>
<p>&#8220;&#8230;has a thing about blood and soil.&#8221;</p>
<p>I do. The thing I have about is that it&#8217;s the thing I was discussing.</p>
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		<title>By: angus</title>
		<link>http://hurryupharry.org/2009/11/10/shlomo-the-sandlout/comment-page-4/#comment-408170</link>
		<dc:creator>angus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Nov 2009 19:45:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>lucky I live on Tavistock Square, it&#039;s raining and it turns out the lecture was last night. I blame the misinformation on the people on these boards who believe that Jews are of the same blood and that that blood is from that soil.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>lucky I live on Tavistock Square, it&#8217;s raining and it turns out the lecture was last night. I blame the misinformation on the people on these boards who believe that Jews are of the same blood and that that blood is from that soil.</p>
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		<title>By: angus</title>
		<link>http://hurryupharry.org/2009/11/10/shlomo-the-sandlout/comment-page-4/#comment-408158</link>
		<dc:creator>angus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Nov 2009 19:03:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mr Freddie
&quot;people on these boards are arguing that Jews are of the same blood and that that blood is from that soil&quot;...citation, please.

To mistype &quot;scare quotes&quot; once is an indication of something, but to spell argument as &quot;arguement&quot; so many times that I got bored counting says to me that freddie, not his real name, who says &quot;That zionism is a political movement doesn’t prevent it being based on blood and soil&quot; has a thing about blood and soil. I counted that phrase: ten times. So freaked out I am going to go to SOAS to witness the obvious.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mr Freddie<br />
&#8220;people on these boards are arguing that Jews are of the same blood and that that blood is from that soil&#8221;&#8230;citation, please.</p>
<p>To mistype &#8220;scare quotes&#8221; once is an indication of something, but to spell argument as &#8220;arguement&#8221; so many times that I got bored counting says to me that freddie, not his real name, who says &#8220;That zionism is a political movement doesn’t prevent it being based on blood and soil&#8221; has a thing about blood and soil. I counted that phrase: ten times. So freaked out I am going to go to SOAS to witness the obvious.</p>
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		<title>By: angus</title>
		<link>http://hurryupharry.org/2009/11/10/shlomo-the-sandlout/comment-page-4/#comment-408157</link>
		<dc:creator>angus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Nov 2009 19:03:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mr Freddie
&quot;people on these boards are arguing that Jews are of the same blood and that that blood is from that soil&quot;...citation, please.

To mistype &quot;scare quotes&quot; once is an indication of something, but to spell argument as &quot;arguement&quot; so many times that I got bored counting says to me that freddie, not his real name, who says &quot;That zionism is a political movement doesn’t prevent it being based on blood and soil&quot; has a thing about blood and soil. I counted that phrase: ten times. So freaked out I am going to go to SOAS to witness the obvious.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mr Freddie<br />
&#8220;people on these boards are arguing that Jews are of the same blood and that that blood is from that soil&#8221;&#8230;citation, please.</p>
<p>To mistype &#8220;scare quotes&#8221; once is an indication of something, but to spell argument as &#8220;arguement&#8221; so many times that I got bored counting says to me that freddie, not his real name, who says &#8220;That zionism is a political movement doesn’t prevent it being based on blood and soil&#8221; has a thing about blood and soil. I counted that phrase: ten times. So freaked out I am going to go to SOAS to witness the obvious.</p>
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		<title>By: freddie</title>
		<link>http://hurryupharry.org/2009/11/10/shlomo-the-sandlout/comment-page-4/#comment-408153</link>
		<dc:creator>freddie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Nov 2009 18:55:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Zionists have claimed that there has been an unbroken link (physical and spititual) with the region that is now Israel....&quot;

Which is a blood and soil arguement. If the attachment of the Jewish people to that soil is not based on blood then Sands arguments would be irrelevent even if they were true and would not offend in the manner that they do.

However people on these boards are arguing that Jews are of the same blood and that that blood is from that soil.

It&#039;s a blood and soil arguement.


&quot;.....that has nothing to do with the racist implications of &#039;blood and soil&#039;.&quot;

That a blood and soil arguement must be racist is your inference not my implication.

Racists do use blood and soil arguements to push there agendas but it doesn&#039;t follow that all those who make a blood and soil arguement are racist.

It only becomes racist if it is used to deny others an attachment to the soil. 

There are no doubt afew zionists who would do that but it seems to me that throughout the zionist project there hasn&#039;t been such a denial.


&quot;To imply that Zionism is based on &#039;blood and soil&#039; is to imply that Zionism is a racist...&quot;


No it isn&#039;t. 

It is to imply that Zionism is based on blood and soil. If you choose to infer that that makes it racist then that&#039;s up to you.


&quot;...as opposed to a political, movement properly understood.&quot;

That zionism is a political movement doesn&#039;t prevent it being based on blood and soil.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Zionists have claimed that there has been an unbroken link (physical and spititual) with the region that is now Israel&#8230;.&#8221;</p>
<p>Which is a blood and soil arguement. If the attachment of the Jewish people to that soil is not based on blood then Sands arguments would be irrelevent even if they were true and would not offend in the manner that they do.</p>
<p>However people on these boards are arguing that Jews are of the same blood and that that blood is from that soil.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s a blood and soil arguement.</p>
<p>&#8220;&#8230;..that has nothing to do with the racist implications of &#8216;blood and soil&#8217;.&#8221;</p>
<p>That a blood and soil arguement must be racist is your inference not my implication.</p>
<p>Racists do use blood and soil arguements to push there agendas but it doesn&#8217;t follow that all those who make a blood and soil arguement are racist.</p>
<p>It only becomes racist if it is used to deny others an attachment to the soil. </p>
<p>There are no doubt afew zionists who would do that but it seems to me that throughout the zionist project there hasn&#8217;t been such a denial.</p>
<p>&#8220;To imply that Zionism is based on &#8216;blood and soil&#8217; is to imply that Zionism is a racist&#8230;&#8221;</p>
<p>No it isn&#8217;t. </p>
<p>It is to imply that Zionism is based on blood and soil. If you choose to infer that that makes it racist then that&#8217;s up to you.</p>
<p>&#8220;&#8230;as opposed to a political, movement properly understood.&#8221;</p>
<p>That zionism is a political movement doesn&#8217;t prevent it being based on blood and soil.</p>
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		<title>By: angus</title>
		<link>http://hurryupharry.org/2009/11/10/shlomo-the-sandlout/comment-page-4/#comment-408148</link>
		<dc:creator>angus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Nov 2009 18:38:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>John, do you consider the very small group of people who left Africa 50,000 years ago expansionists? If not, why not? If so, what are you doing in the Occupied Territories?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>John, do you consider the very small group of people who left Africa 50,000 years ago expansionists? If not, why not? If so, what are you doing in the Occupied Territories?</p>
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		<title>By: Graham</title>
		<link>http://hurryupharry.org/2009/11/10/shlomo-the-sandlout/comment-page-4/#comment-408146</link>
		<dc:creator>Graham</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Nov 2009 18:26:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We should ask the Sultana of Zanzibar.</description>
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