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	<title>Comments on: It was 20 years ago today</title>
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		<title>By: Alan Ji</title>
		<link>http://hurryupharry.org/2009/11/09/it-was-20-years-ago-today/comment-page-1/#comment-407944</link>
		<dc:creator>Alan Ji</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Nov 2009 00:36:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>mesquito      @   9 November 2009, 8:35 pm 

Christopher Hitchens: “Just to avoid further indebtedness,” wrote Schürer, “would mean a lowering next year of living standards by 25 to 30 per cent, and make the GDR ungovernable.”

 &amp; 

Andrew Murphy      @   9 November 2009, 8:31 pm 

&quot;Or let’s not forget George Galloway who said, day that the Soviet Union fell as the worst day of his life.&quot;


It collapsed under the weight of its own internal contradictions! Isn&#039;t irony delicious?</description>
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<p>Christopher Hitchens: “Just to avoid further indebtedness,” wrote Schürer, “would mean a lowering next year of living standards by 25 to 30 per cent, and make the GDR ungovernable.”</p>
<p> &amp; </p>
<p>Andrew Murphy      @   9 November 2009, 8:31 pm </p>
<p>&#8220;Or let’s not forget George Galloway who said, day that the Soviet Union fell as the worst day of his life.&#8221;</p>
<p>It collapsed under the weight of its own internal contradictions! Isn&#8217;t irony delicious?</p>
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		<title>By: Alan Ji</title>
		<link>http://hurryupharry.org/2009/11/09/it-was-20-years-ago-today/comment-page-1/#comment-407943</link>
		<dc:creator>Alan Ji</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Nov 2009 00:29:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>mesquito      @   9 November 2009, 8:35 pm 

Christopher Hitchens: &quot; people, especially in former East Germany, are supposedly “nostalgic” for the security of the old Stalinist system. Such sentimental piffle—which got a good airing in that irritating movie Good Bye Lenin!— &quot;

Someone should tell Hitchens that the film is a comedy, which was a huge hit in Germany. I has a useful side effect in undermining sterotypes of Germans not having a sense of humour.</description>
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<p>Christopher Hitchens: &#8221; people, especially in former East Germany, are supposedly “nostalgic” for the security of the old Stalinist system. Such sentimental piffle—which got a good airing in that irritating movie Good Bye Lenin!— &#8221;</p>
<p>Someone should tell Hitchens that the film is a comedy, which was a huge hit in Germany. I has a useful side effect in undermining sterotypes of Germans not having a sense of humour.</p>
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		<title>By: davod</title>
		<link>http://hurryupharry.org/2009/11/09/it-was-20-years-ago-today/comment-page-1/#comment-407327</link>
		<dc:creator>davod</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Nov 2009 16:26:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Still, in his defense, I believe that Obama and Michelle are going to Ft. Hood today for a memorial service for all those killed in last week’s shootings.&quot;

He made the decision not to attend weeks ago.

Mind you, those in attendance were blessed with Obama&#039;s presence via video, where he reminded everyone about Obama - whodathunk 20 years ago the USA would have a African American President.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Still, in his defense, I believe that Obama and Michelle are going to Ft. Hood today for a memorial service for all those killed in last week’s shootings.&#8221;</p>
<p>He made the decision not to attend weeks ago.</p>
<p>Mind you, those in attendance were blessed with Obama&#8217;s presence via video, where he reminded everyone about Obama &#8211; whodathunk 20 years ago the USA would have a African American President.</p>
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		<title>By: David All</title>
		<link>http://hurryupharry.org/2009/11/09/it-was-20-years-ago-today/comment-page-1/#comment-407296</link>
		<dc:creator>David All</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Nov 2009 15:30:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree that Obama&#039;s absence from the celebrations is striking particularly given him flying to Europe a few months back solely to pitch his adopative hometown, Chicago as the site of the 2016 Olympics. Still, in his defense, I believe that Obama and Michelle are going to Ft. Hood today for a memorial service for all those killed in last week&#039;s shootings. And given the current mourning in the US over Ft. Hood, probably it would not have looked good for the President to off celebrating thousands of miles away with a crowd of Europeans.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree that Obama&#8217;s absence from the celebrations is striking particularly given him flying to Europe a few months back solely to pitch his adopative hometown, Chicago as the site of the 2016 Olympics. Still, in his defense, I believe that Obama and Michelle are going to Ft. Hood today for a memorial service for all those killed in last week&#8217;s shootings. And given the current mourning in the US over Ft. Hood, probably it would not have looked good for the President to off celebrating thousands of miles away with a crowd of Europeans.</p>
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		<title>By: hasan prishtina</title>
		<link>http://hurryupharry.org/2009/11/09/it-was-20-years-ago-today/comment-page-1/#comment-407248</link>
		<dc:creator>hasan prishtina</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Nov 2009 13:31:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Neil Clark&#039;s piece of trash and the &lt;a href=&#039;http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2009/nov/08/1989-berlin-wall&#039; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;CiF&lt;/a&gt; column picked up by Oliver Kamm just show how many on the Left have completely failed to come to terms with the fact that the nasty little regimes they looked up to and defended for forty-odd years were overthrown by the very workers in whose name they claimed to govern.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Neil Clark&#8217;s piece of trash and the <a href='http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2009/nov/08/1989-berlin-wall' rel="nofollow">CiF</a> column picked up by Oliver Kamm just show how many on the Left have completely failed to come to terms with the fact that the nasty little regimes they looked up to and defended for forty-odd years were overthrown by the very workers in whose name they claimed to govern.</p>
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		<title>By: Sarah Correia</title>
		<link>http://hurryupharry.org/2009/11/09/it-was-20-years-ago-today/comment-page-1/#comment-407113</link>
		<dc:creator>Sarah Correia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Nov 2009 08:37:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>About this neil clark, it always amazes me how some people prefer to live in a world of fantasies... 

Bearing in mind that Obama is fully conscient of the importance of symbolic gestures, because it was the appeal to them that brought him to power, his absense reveals how unimportant Europe is for his priorities, and how keen he is in making it clear.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>About this neil clark, it always amazes me how some people prefer to live in a world of fantasies&#8230; </p>
<p>Bearing in mind that Obama is fully conscient of the importance of symbolic gestures, because it was the appeal to them that brought him to power, his absense reveals how unimportant Europe is for his priorities, and how keen he is in making it clear.</p>
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		<title>By: Bubba Thudd</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bubba Thudd</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Nov 2009 03:42:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;It’s a great shame that one world leader in particular was simply too busy to attend today’s commemoration — President Obama.&quot;

It&#039;s not about him - that&#039;s why he isn&#039;t showing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;It’s a great shame that one world leader in particular was simply too busy to attend today’s commemoration — President Obama.&#8221;</p>
<p>It&#8217;s not about him &#8211; that&#8217;s why he isn&#8217;t showing.</p>
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		<title>By: NewLeftMulticultist</title>
		<link>http://hurryupharry.org/2009/11/09/it-was-20-years-ago-today/comment-page-1/#comment-407046</link>
		<dc:creator>NewLeftMulticultist</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Nov 2009 01:28:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>there was no desire, even among those who did take part in street demonstrations in the autumn of 1989, for a wholesale dismantling of the socialist system. What many people had wanted was a less authoritarian form of socialism --- neil clark

Like the West German welfare state perchance?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>there was no desire, even among those who did take part in street demonstrations in the autumn of 1989, for a wholesale dismantling of the socialist system. What many people had wanted was a less authoritarian form of socialism &#8212; neil clark</p>
<p>Like the West German welfare state perchance?</p>
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		<title>By: mesquito</title>
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		<dc:creator>mesquito</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Nov 2009 01:14:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;em&gt;As someone who had a Master and Bachlor’s degree in History, I always thought the phrase, “The End of History” to be nonsense.&lt;/em&gt;

Har.  I only have a Bachelor&#039;s in History, and I know that.  I thought is was nonsense at the time, too.  It was a remarkable time for democracy, though.  The problem is, of course, that as a creed, &quot;democracy&quot; is pretty thin stuff.

Gorbie always bored me.  I mean, even when he was speaking extemporaneously, he was full of jargon and bureaucratese.  I suppose I&#039;m glad it was him and not, say, Kryuchkov or Ligachev, who presided over communism&#039;s death-rattle.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>As someone who had a Master and Bachlor’s degree in History, I always thought the phrase, “The End of History” to be nonsense.</em></p>
<p>Har.  I only have a Bachelor&#8217;s in History, and I know that.  I thought is was nonsense at the time, too.  It was a remarkable time for democracy, though.  The problem is, of course, that as a creed, &#8220;democracy&#8221; is pretty thin stuff.</p>
<p>Gorbie always bored me.  I mean, even when he was speaking extemporaneously, he was full of jargon and bureaucratese.  I suppose I&#8217;m glad it was him and not, say, Kryuchkov or Ligachev, who presided over communism&#8217;s death-rattle.</p>
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		<title>By: Graham</title>
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		<dc:creator>Graham</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Nov 2009 00:56:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I always thought that what Fukuyama was saying was that history in the Hegelian conception of dialectics had come to an end as there were no longer any competing ideologies to drive it and therefore liberalism had won and was the final form of government and arrival of the promised land.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I always thought that what Fukuyama was saying was that history in the Hegelian conception of dialectics had come to an end as there were no longer any competing ideologies to drive it and therefore liberalism had won and was the final form of government and arrival of the promised land.</p>
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