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	<title>Comments on: Dominic Lawson: So, this is where we are now</title>
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	<description>Liberty, if it means anything, is the right to tell people what they don&#039;t want to hear</description>
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		<title>By: Nyubi</title>
		<link>http://hurryupharry.org/2009/11/03/dominic-lawson-so-this-is-where-we-are-now/comment-page-1/#comment-404700</link>
		<dc:creator>Nyubi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Nov 2009 04:49:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nice article, David</description>
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		<title>By: Nick (Ex South Africa)</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nick (Ex South Africa)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Nov 2009 23:02:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It really is a very good piece indeed. 

But sadly, it&#039;s not just the all too common frothing Muslims who can&#039;t see past the US is evil demagoguery with it&#039;s Pavlovian response to the standard cues...Neocon, Zionist, Bush, Blair, Wolferwitz . That &#039;single narrative&#039; and Pavlovian response to these cues extends to great tracts of the mainstream in the UK, and is endemic amongst our major broadcasters. And it&#039;s not entirely limited to the Left.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It really is a very good piece indeed. </p>
<p>But sadly, it&#8217;s not just the all too common frothing Muslims who can&#8217;t see past the US is evil demagoguery with it&#8217;s Pavlovian response to the standard cues&#8230;Neocon, Zionist, Bush, Blair, Wolferwitz . That &#8217;single narrative&#8217; and Pavlovian response to these cues extends to great tracts of the mainstream in the UK, and is endemic amongst our major broadcasters. And it&#8217;s not entirely limited to the Left.</p>
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		<title>By: WB</title>
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		<dc:creator>WB</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Nov 2009 21:59:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>David, O/T but just noted at a US blog that Sheihk Qaradawi (?) is apparently consultant on a movie about Mohammed. 
http://wizbangblog.com/content/2009/11/03/so-who-will-play-mohammeds-nine-year-old-wife.php</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>David, O/T but just noted at a US blog that Sheihk Qaradawi (?) is apparently consultant on a movie about Mohammed.<br />
<a href="http://wizbangblog.com/content/2009/11/03/so-who-will-play-mohammeds-nine-year-old-wife.php" rel="nofollow">http://wizbangblog.com/content/2009/11/03/so-who-will-play-mohammeds-nine-year-old-wife.php</a></p>
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		<title>By: Alcuin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Alcuin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Nov 2009 18:57:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;Listen up, Muslims – the West fought for you&lt;/i&gt;

I think De Gaulle&#039;s remark (not original) after WW2 is pertinent: &quot;We will amaze you with our ingratitude&quot;. Do not expect gratitude from anyone but the most liberal Muslims, for the others merely complain that the West was too slow to react.

Scotland is far better off as a result of the Thatcher reforms, yet all the Scots remember is the loss of their smokestack industries, hence the virtual eradication of Conservatives in Scotland. Sorry, David, gratitude for getting you out of a hole, particularly one you got yourself into, is rarely forthcoming.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Listen up, Muslims – the West fought for you</i></p>
<p>I think De Gaulle&#8217;s remark (not original) after WW2 is pertinent: &#8220;We will amaze you with our ingratitude&#8221;. Do not expect gratitude from anyone but the most liberal Muslims, for the others merely complain that the West was too slow to react.</p>
<p>Scotland is far better off as a result of the Thatcher reforms, yet all the Scots remember is the loss of their smokestack industries, hence the virtual eradication of Conservatives in Scotland. Sorry, David, gratitude for getting you out of a hole, particularly one you got yourself into, is rarely forthcoming.</p>
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		<title>By: Short order cook</title>
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		<dc:creator>Short order cook</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Nov 2009 17:15:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;The whole concept of `community’ is fascinating.&lt;/i&gt;

I imagine it would be if you’re a patronising middle class right winger, you probably wouldn’t know a community if it came round to take you to the guilotine.

The concept is fairly simple. I’m a scientist. As much as I would love it if the Government asked me and every other scientist what we thought about a policy which would affect science, it’s obvious that they’re not able to. Therefore they ask a few eminent scientists what they think, in the hope that these scientists, being experienced, would let them know if they’re going to stuff things up too badly. I imagine the armed forces, the police etc. probably have a similar arrangement. Industry also has this relation with Government, but they call them lobbyists. You can also see that many companies have “community” relations departments, for keeping on the good side of the local people.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>The whole concept of `community’ is fascinating.</i></p>
<p>I imagine it would be if you’re a patronising middle class right winger, you probably wouldn’t know a community if it came round to take you to the guilotine.</p>
<p>The concept is fairly simple. I’m a scientist. As much as I would love it if the Government asked me and every other scientist what we thought about a policy which would affect science, it’s obvious that they’re not able to. Therefore they ask a few eminent scientists what they think, in the hope that these scientists, being experienced, would let them know if they’re going to stuff things up too badly. I imagine the armed forces, the police etc. probably have a similar arrangement. Industry also has this relation with Government, but they call them lobbyists. You can also see that many companies have “community” relations departments, for keeping on the good side of the local people.</p>
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		<title>By: Sue R</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sue R</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Nov 2009 17:15:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What will happen if the Tories win the next election?  All those Islamacists who have a strongly developed sense of entitlement aren&#039;t going to just give up and go away.  Would the Tories really be steadfast in the face of fierce opposition and unrealistic demands?  I just think it will all get a whole lot nastier.  (Especially when you factor in the public spending cuts.).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What will happen if the Tories win the next election?  All those Islamacists who have a strongly developed sense of entitlement aren&#8217;t going to just give up and go away.  Would the Tories really be steadfast in the face of fierce opposition and unrealistic demands?  I just think it will all get a whole lot nastier.  (Especially when you factor in the public spending cuts.).</p>
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		<title>By: Tokyo Nambu</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tokyo Nambu</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Nov 2009 16:14:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;
Self-appointed “community leaders” are then allowed to control the narrative within those communities, to a point where their version of events becomes the accepted truth.
&lt;/blockquote&gt;

The whole concept of `community&#039; is fascinating.  At one level, it&#039;s simply a euphemism for `low quality&#039; and `not for people like us&#039; --- community school, arts project, transport, hall, leader, care.  I live in a community, with its own section in the leasehold reform act to boot, but I don&#039;t notice there are any leaders: the white middle classes are assumed not to need them.

But the concept of a community leader is interesting.  Are they Judenraht?  Tribal leaders?  Trade Union Leaders?  Deliverers of votes?  Whatever, government appears to regard good relationships with them worth any prince, including a few honour killings.</description>
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Self-appointed “community leaders” are then allowed to control the narrative within those communities, to a point where their version of events becomes the accepted truth.
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<p>The whole concept of `community&#8217; is fascinating.  At one level, it&#8217;s simply a euphemism for `low quality&#8217; and `not for people like us&#8217; &#8212; community school, arts project, transport, hall, leader, care.  I live in a community, with its own section in the leasehold reform act to boot, but I don&#8217;t notice there are any leaders: the white middle classes are assumed not to need them.</p>
<p>But the concept of a community leader is interesting.  Are they Judenraht?  Tribal leaders?  Trade Union Leaders?  Deliverers of votes?  Whatever, government appears to regard good relationships with them worth any prince, including a few honour killings.</p>
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		<title>By: Joseph K.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Joseph K.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Nov 2009 15:28:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;&quot;My interlocutors were neither stupid nor insincere. It was just that they were wired in such a way that precluded them from seeing the US as anything other than the global foe of Muslims.”&lt;/i&gt;

Isn&#039;t this a prime example of a foreign policy success - Bosnia and Kosovo - negated by a domestic policy failure? The British version of multiculturalism, with its polyglot approach and commitment to preserving cultural differences, encourages the development of a Muslim community parallel to and isolated from mainstream society.  Self-appointed “community leaders” are then allowed to control the narrative within those communities, to a point where their version of events becomes the accepted truth. 

A pretty pickle, and one that &lt;i&gt;if&lt;/i&gt; it is to be undone, will probably take a generation or more of hard work both within the Muslim community and within government. The current government, meanwhile, remains hamstrung by its long-held delusion that the Northern Ireland situation provides a useful analogy for combating Islamism, hence its commitment to searching for and engaging with “moderate Islamists”.  

Epic fail on all fronts.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>&#8220;My interlocutors were neither stupid nor insincere. It was just that they were wired in such a way that precluded them from seeing the US as anything other than the global foe of Muslims.”</i></p>
<p>Isn&#8217;t this a prime example of a foreign policy success &#8211; Bosnia and Kosovo &#8211; negated by a domestic policy failure? The British version of multiculturalism, with its polyglot approach and commitment to preserving cultural differences, encourages the development of a Muslim community parallel to and isolated from mainstream society.  Self-appointed “community leaders” are then allowed to control the narrative within those communities, to a point where their version of events becomes the accepted truth. </p>
<p>A pretty pickle, and one that <i>if</i> it is to be undone, will probably take a generation or more of hard work both within the Muslim community and within government. The current government, meanwhile, remains hamstrung by its long-held delusion that the Northern Ireland situation provides a useful analogy for combating Islamism, hence its commitment to searching for and engaging with “moderate Islamists”.  </p>
<p>Epic fail on all fronts.</p>
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		<title>By: Tokyo Nambu</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tokyo Nambu</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Nov 2009 15:15:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;
Baronness Warsi? How did she make a fool of herself with Griffin?
&lt;/blockquote&gt;

By being almost entirely incoherent.</description>
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Baronness Warsi? How did she make a fool of herself with Griffin?
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<p>By being almost entirely incoherent.</p>
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		<title>By: mullah</title>
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		<dc:creator>mullah</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Nov 2009 13:56:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;Token Muslims like wossname that made a fool of herself with Griffin will be thrown over the side, and the MCB will get less traction with government than it can possibly imagine.
&lt;/i&gt;

Eh? Who? What?

Baronness Warsi? How did she make a fool of herself with Griffin?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Token Muslims like wossname that made a fool of herself with Griffin will be thrown over the side, and the MCB will get less traction with government than it can possibly imagine.<br />
</i></p>
<p>Eh? Who? What?</p>
<p>Baronness Warsi? How did she make a fool of herself with Griffin?</p>
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