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	<description>Liberty, if it means anything, is the right to tell people what they don&#039;t want to hear</description>
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		<title>By: David Lindsay</title>
		<link>http://hurryupharry.org/2009/10/21/bnp-hitler-lovers/comment-page-1/#comment-400415</link>
		<dc:creator>David Lindsay</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Oct 2009 14:00:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Qwepo, that passage was not removed from the book’s reprint in 1941.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Qwepo, that passage was not removed from the book’s reprint in 1941.</p>
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		<title>By: Dan</title>
		<link>http://hurryupharry.org/2009/10/21/bnp-hitler-lovers/comment-page-1/#comment-400406</link>
		<dc:creator>Dan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Oct 2009 13:44:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I love the Russell Brand documentary &quot;Nazi Boy&quot; - especially when Collett refuses to answer a question, he says &quot;Come on, Mark, stand up for your race&quot;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I love the Russell Brand documentary &#8220;Nazi Boy&#8221; &#8211; especially when Collett refuses to answer a question, he says &#8220;Come on, Mark, stand up for your race&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: Qwepo</title>
		<link>http://hurryupharry.org/2009/10/21/bnp-hitler-lovers/comment-page-1/#comment-400405</link>
		<dc:creator>Qwepo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Oct 2009 13:35:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@David Lindsay

“Those who have met Herr Hitler face to face in public business or on social terms have found a highly competent, cool, well-informed, functionary with an agreeable manner, a disarming smile, and few have been unaffected by a subtle personal magnetism.&quot;

Wow, so someone who was a nemesis of Hitler&#039;s long before any war occurred and when it was unfashionable to be so can&#039;t really have been an enemy of Hitler&#039;s unless they lie about what they thought of him and say that he was incompetent and uncharismatic?

What next? I can&#039;t really be against George Galloway unless I criticise his dress sense?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@David Lindsay</p>
<p>“Those who have met Herr Hitler face to face in public business or on social terms have found a highly competent, cool, well-informed, functionary with an agreeable manner, a disarming smile, and few have been unaffected by a subtle personal magnetism.&#8221;</p>
<p>Wow, so someone who was a nemesis of Hitler&#8217;s long before any war occurred and when it was unfashionable to be so can&#8217;t really have been an enemy of Hitler&#8217;s unless they lie about what they thought of him and say that he was incompetent and uncharismatic?</p>
<p>What next? I can&#8217;t really be against George Galloway unless I criticise his dress sense?</p>
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		<title>By: DocMartyn</title>
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		<dc:creator>DocMartyn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Oct 2009 22:46:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am a great admirer of Winston Churchill, but he was a drunk, a slob and also, by modern anti-imperialist viewpoints, a warmonger. The British invasion of Norway and the occupation of Iceland being quite relevant. 
I am a ex-drunken, warmongering slob.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am a great admirer of Winston Churchill, but he was a drunk, a slob and also, by modern anti-imperialist viewpoints, a warmonger. The British invasion of Norway and the occupation of Iceland being quite relevant.<br />
I am a ex-drunken, warmongering slob.</p>
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		<title>By: David Lindsay</title>
		<link>http://hurryupharry.org/2009/10/21/bnp-hitler-lovers/comment-page-1/#comment-400286</link>
		<dc:creator>David Lindsay</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Oct 2009 22:13:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If the BNP wants votes here in the former mining areas, then it will stop identifying with Churchill. But it won’t.

In the Thirties, there were two British threats to constitutionality and, via Britain’s role in the world, to international stability. One came from an unreliable, opportunistic, highly affected and contrived, anti-Semitic, white supremacist, Eurofederalist demagogue who admired Mussolini, heaped praise on Hitler, had no need to work for a living, had an overwhelming sense of his own entitlement, profoundly hated democracy, and had a callous disregard for the lives of the lower orders and the lesser breeds. So did the other one. Far more than background united Churchill and Mosley (originator in English of the currently modish concept of a Union of the Mediterranean).

In Great Contemporaries, published in 1937, two years after he had called Hitler’s achievements “among the most remarkable in the whole history of the world”, Churchill wrote that: “Those who have met Herr Hitler face to face in public business or on social terms have found a highly competent, cool, well-informed, functionary with an agreeable manner, a disarming smile, and few have been unaffected by a subtle personal magnetism.” That passage was not removed from the book’s reprint in 1941. In May 1940, Churchill had been all ready to give Gibraltar, Malta, Suez, Somaliland, Kenya and Uganda to Mussolini.

All sorts of things about Churchill are simply ignored. Gallipoli. The miners. The Suffragettes. The refusal to bomb the railway lines to Auschwitz. His dishonest and self-serving memoirs. Both the fact and the sheer scale of his 1945 defeat while the War in the Far East was still going on, when Labour won half of his newly divided seat, and an Independent did very well against him in the other half after Labour and the Liberals had disgracefully refused to field candidates against him. His deselection by his local Conservative Association just before he died. And not least, his carve-up of Eastern Europe with Stalin, so very reminiscent of the Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact.

But we have not forgotten the truth about him in the old pit communities. Nor have they in the places that he signed away to Stalin, including the country for whose freedom the War was fought, making it a failure in its own terms. The anti-Semitism and the general racism, the brutality and the contempt for democracy, the admiration for Mussolini and especially for Hitler, are omitted from accounts of those who agitated for war in the Thirties, but heavily emphasised, sometimes to point of fabrication, in accounts of those who pleaded for peace.

If you leave aside Churchill and Mosley, then both sides wished to harness the full capacity of the State to correct the root and branch injustice of capitalism in itself, in order to conserve national sovereignty and traditional values, and in order to prevent a Communist revolution; that was the position of all three British parties at the time, and the reason why certainly Labour, and arguably also the modern Conservative Party, had been set up in the first place. But one side also wished, for exactly the same reasons, to prevent another war in Europe, or in countries beyond Europe to stay out of any such war. The contemporary resonances of both aspects could not be more obvious. Those who held to both, across or astride the political spectrum, deserve to be reassessed.

As, far less sympathetically, does Churchill. The BNP is as welcome to him as it is to Mosley.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If the BNP wants votes here in the former mining areas, then it will stop identifying with Churchill. But it won’t.</p>
<p>In the Thirties, there were two British threats to constitutionality and, via Britain’s role in the world, to international stability. One came from an unreliable, opportunistic, highly affected and contrived, anti-Semitic, white supremacist, Eurofederalist demagogue who admired Mussolini, heaped praise on Hitler, had no need to work for a living, had an overwhelming sense of his own entitlement, profoundly hated democracy, and had a callous disregard for the lives of the lower orders and the lesser breeds. So did the other one. Far more than background united Churchill and Mosley (originator in English of the currently modish concept of a Union of the Mediterranean).</p>
<p>In Great Contemporaries, published in 1937, two years after he had called Hitler’s achievements “among the most remarkable in the whole history of the world”, Churchill wrote that: “Those who have met Herr Hitler face to face in public business or on social terms have found a highly competent, cool, well-informed, functionary with an agreeable manner, a disarming smile, and few have been unaffected by a subtle personal magnetism.” That passage was not removed from the book’s reprint in 1941. In May 1940, Churchill had been all ready to give Gibraltar, Malta, Suez, Somaliland, Kenya and Uganda to Mussolini.</p>
<p>All sorts of things about Churchill are simply ignored. Gallipoli. The miners. The Suffragettes. The refusal to bomb the railway lines to Auschwitz. His dishonest and self-serving memoirs. Both the fact and the sheer scale of his 1945 defeat while the War in the Far East was still going on, when Labour won half of his newly divided seat, and an Independent did very well against him in the other half after Labour and the Liberals had disgracefully refused to field candidates against him. His deselection by his local Conservative Association just before he died. And not least, his carve-up of Eastern Europe with Stalin, so very reminiscent of the Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact.</p>
<p>But we have not forgotten the truth about him in the old pit communities. Nor have they in the places that he signed away to Stalin, including the country for whose freedom the War was fought, making it a failure in its own terms. The anti-Semitism and the general racism, the brutality and the contempt for democracy, the admiration for Mussolini and especially for Hitler, are omitted from accounts of those who agitated for war in the Thirties, but heavily emphasised, sometimes to point of fabrication, in accounts of those who pleaded for peace.</p>
<p>If you leave aside Churchill and Mosley, then both sides wished to harness the full capacity of the State to correct the root and branch injustice of capitalism in itself, in order to conserve national sovereignty and traditional values, and in order to prevent a Communist revolution; that was the position of all three British parties at the time, and the reason why certainly Labour, and arguably also the modern Conservative Party, had been set up in the first place. But one side also wished, for exactly the same reasons, to prevent another war in Europe, or in countries beyond Europe to stay out of any such war. The contemporary resonances of both aspects could not be more obvious. Those who held to both, across or astride the political spectrum, deserve to be reassessed.</p>
<p>As, far less sympathetically, does Churchill. The BNP is as welcome to him as it is to Mosley.</p>
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		<title>By: Dixie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dixie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Oct 2009 19:36:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ok none of this surprises me, and its certainly worth the shout out, but isn&#039;t the real story here that here is a party THIS bad, THIS objectionable, that has actually been winning over voters at a rapid pace - even with all this stuff on the internet for everyone to see? 
Meaning, shouldn&#039;t the story be: Here is the party Labour and Tories are losing voters to - ie both SUCH useless fuckups that PRO-NAZIS have actually begun to look preferable to some people in the UK. I mean, if I wasn&#039;t seeing it happen before me, I could never believe it even could happen. The story isn&#039;t &quot;this is how bad the BNP are&quot;, the story is &quot;Nazis looking like and option for some: this is how bad things have got in the UK&quot;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ok none of this surprises me, and its certainly worth the shout out, but isn&#8217;t the real story here that here is a party THIS bad, THIS objectionable, that has actually been winning over voters at a rapid pace &#8211; even with all this stuff on the internet for everyone to see?<br />
Meaning, shouldn&#8217;t the story be: Here is the party Labour and Tories are losing voters to &#8211; ie both SUCH useless fuckups that PRO-NAZIS have actually begun to look preferable to some people in the UK. I mean, if I wasn&#8217;t seeing it happen before me, I could never believe it even could happen. The story isn&#8217;t &#8220;this is how bad the BNP are&#8221;, the story is &#8220;Nazis looking like and option for some: this is how bad things have got in the UK&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: Dog</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Oct 2009 17:58:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>http://www.onethirdoftheholocaust.com/</description>
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		<title>By: Venichka</title>
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		<dc:creator>Venichka</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Oct 2009 17:46:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hmm, I seem to recall Boris Johnson being in favour of indicting Blair, not exactly for war crimes, but for lying about the reasons for going to war in the first place</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hmm, I seem to recall Boris Johnson being in favour of indicting Blair, not exactly for war crimes, but for lying about the reasons for going to war in the first place</p>
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		<title>By: Venichka</title>
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		<dc:creator>Venichka</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Oct 2009 17:45:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hmm, I seem to recall Boris Johnson being in favour of indicting Blair, not exactly for war crimes, but for lying about the reasons for going to war in the first place</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hmm, I seem to recall Boris Johnson being in favour of indicting Blair, not exactly for war crimes, but for lying about the reasons for going to war in the first place</p>
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		<title>By: Faff</title>
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		<dc:creator>Faff</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Oct 2009 17:45:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wherever did you get the time to become acquainted with 11,000 people?

You must be a consummate socialite.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wherever did you get the time to become acquainted with 11,000 people?</p>
<p>You must be a consummate socialite.</p>
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