Comments on: Red or Brown? Who cares?

By: vildechaye

vildechaye — Thu, 15 Oct 2009 04:15:56 +0000

RE: Mussolini. Extremists often change their stripes. Pointing to Mussolini during WWI is disingenuous — he wasn’t a fascist in wwi. he became a disillusioned socialist and drifted rightward, all the way to founding the fascist party. All these gymnastics will turn you into an Twister expert, but they won’t change the fact that Fascism and Nazism and creatures of the extreme RIGHT, not the left. End of story.

By: Hey

Hey — Wed, 14 Oct 2009 23:01:07 +0000

“Fascism wasn’t of the Left” because it left control of the nation’s resources to individuals and not at the whim of the Dear Leader… Remind me what Mussolini’s politics were in WWI.

“Who are the Right Wing extremists” – Buchanan, some of the militia groups, the anti-abortion crazies. It gets rather hard to gin up a violent terrorist group to promote private property and free markets. I could see it in a totalitarian state, but not in the West.

The good point is that the Left owns and loves genocidaires: Stalin, Mao, Hamas, Hezbollah, Pot, Castro, every 3rd world leader making an anti-imperialist pose, Mugabe. You are a menace to the world and need to pay for your crimes.

By: Josh Scholar

Josh Scholar — Wed, 14 Oct 2009 19:54:11 +0000

The major mass murders of the C20th certainly didn’t happen so that internet ballbags could justify their annoying and predictable habit of concern-trolling anyone to their left as genocidaires-in-waiting.

Niel didn’t do that.

By the way I have never classified you as left nor as a “genocidaire” in waiting.

Personally I think of you as a silly isolationist troll who cares about no one and nothing but himself. Pure selfishness and selfish bigotry tend to be right wing politics and that’s where I place you. Not a Nazi, more like a Ron Paul follower.

By: vildechaye

vildechaye — Wed, 14 Oct 2009 19:18:29 +0000

I would venture to say that there is a difference between red army faction and hamas but it isn’t a humanitarian difference. They differ in that RAF operations were propelled by modern ideologies, nasty ones, but modern nonetheless, whereas Hamas operates under a medieval mindset that makes them and others like them much more difficult for those of us educated in the West to understand. That being said, the difference ain’t worth a hill of beans, once you get to the consequences of their actions.

By: zkharya

zkharya — Wed, 14 Oct 2009 17:03:42 +0000

“The wartime generation had by no means passed away.”

And, to a degree, one would have to include Meinhoff in it.

By: zkharya

zkharya — Wed, 14 Oct 2009 17:01:50 +0000

Yeah, I think this left=right thesis is crass, to put it mildly. I think one might do better to compare how fascism and popular marxism appealed to, informed and were expressed in certain sorts of youth culture and activism. But, as I said, German youth of the 1960s were also rebelling against certain repressed (and concealed) legacies of the Nazis. The wartime generation had by no means passed away.

It was also, of course, about asserting a kind of “Germanism” (for all denials to the contrary), an active/aggressive German cultural expression, against the state and authorities, at a time when all such expressions were vigorously suppressed, with the young generation, the least guilty, paying the greatest price.

The Nazis were identified with state totalitarianism, and, yes, perhaps ignored were the phase when the Nazis were vigorously opposed to the state. However, the Nazis, like the communists had, in the end, also “played the game” of the state. B-M and RAF were almost anarchists in that respect.

By: Mike S

Mike S — Wed, 14 Oct 2009 16:17:27 +0000

Zing!

By: vildechaye

vildechaye — Wed, 14 Oct 2009 16:06:48 +0000

RE: FlyingFuckface will be all bluster like collectivists usually are when their crimes are pointed out.

And Morgoof, like all extreme righties, will bend himself into a pretzel trying to prove Hitler was a leftie.

By: vildechaye

vildechaye — Wed, 14 Oct 2009 15:59:11 +0000

RE: IThe liberal knows that he is only an office bound government worker or lawyer or whatever but deep down wishes he was in the vanguard of some sort of fight for the people. So when he or somebody he admires identifies a group of blood thirsty sociopaths as “the resistance” he feels himself drawn along in support or at least in a weaselly attempt at “contextualisation”. I think this is where the urge to support some of the following comes from: Che/Castro Baader Meinhof Hamas Taliban Chavez.”

1-When did you get your psychology degree?
2-I don’t know a single liberal or social democrat who supports any of the above. As usual, you’re operating on a dittohead liberal=social=democrat=Marxist=Commie paradumb.
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By: strangeways

strangeways — Wed, 14 Oct 2009 15:55:15 +0000

The terms “left wing” and “right wing” are redundant and meaningless. People form their own opinions from the giant political salad bar. Framed in the old left/right paradigm, contradictions and confusion will inevitably arise.

“Left wingers” would call me “right wing” for my views on Islamism. “Right wingers” would call me a “leftie” because of my views on justice and society.

If we are attempting to define modern politics in the West, only one model works:

People can range between “extremist” and “moderate” on various issues. These views are coloured by conservatism and liberalism.