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	<title>Comments on: The Guardian Will Shortly Receive A Libel Threat From Carter Ruck</title>
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	<description>Liberty, if it means anything, is the right to tell people what they don&#039;t want to hear</description>
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		<title>By: sharkie</title>
		<link>http://hurryupharry.org/2009/10/07/the-guardian-will-shortly-receive-a-libel-threat-from-carter-ruck/comment-page-1/#comment-396387</link>
		<dc:creator>sharkie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Oct 2009 19:12:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&gt; Now, what sort of troll appears on a thread to scream and shout in order to shut down freedom of the press?

That would be you, Alec. Your demented, foaming at the mouth rantings - a mixture of abuse, swearing and painful ignorance, with no meaningful contribution to the topic whatsoever - are all a bit sad, really. I mean, you do come across as being very dim indeed.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&gt; Now, what sort of troll appears on a thread to scream and shout in order to shut down freedom of the press?</p>
<p>That would be you, Alec. Your demented, foaming at the mouth rantings &#8211; a mixture of abuse, swearing and painful ignorance, with no meaningful contribution to the topic whatsoever &#8211; are all a bit sad, really. I mean, you do come across as being very dim indeed.</p>
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		<title>By: Alec M</title>
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		<dc:creator>Alec M</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Oct 2009 22:57:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&gt;&gt; I don’t have any problem with Delwar’s CiF article, hard to see how a libel action could stick when he’s not making accusations himself, nor implying guilt.

This is another of those most stupid comments from Sharkie.  What he&#039;s accusing LL of is simply a reiteration of DH&#039;s article. 

&gt;&gt; Looks to me, though, that ‘Lucy Lips’ was implying guilt and taking the opportunity to stick one on the MCB et al.

Well, then, you&#039;re a fucking idiot. A fucked-up beyond fucking belief idiot.  You&#039;re making yourself a fucking laughing stock.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&gt;&gt; I don’t have any problem with Delwar’s CiF article, hard to see how a libel action could stick when he’s not making accusations himself, nor implying guilt.</p>
<p>This is another of those most stupid comments from Sharkie.  What he&#8217;s accusing LL of is simply a reiteration of DH&#8217;s article. </p>
<p>&gt;&gt; Looks to me, though, that ‘Lucy Lips’ was implying guilt and taking the opportunity to stick one on the MCB et al.</p>
<p>Well, then, you&#8217;re a fucking idiot. A fucked-up beyond fucking belief idiot.  You&#8217;re making yourself a fucking laughing stock.</p>
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		<title>By: Alec M</title>
		<link>http://hurryupharry.org/2009/10/07/the-guardian-will-shortly-receive-a-libel-threat-from-carter-ruck/comment-page-1/#comment-395893</link>
		<dc:creator>Alec M</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Oct 2009 21:04:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Now you&#039;re a post modern idiot who thinks he can make words mean whatever he wants them to mean, and throw back remarks without explanation.

The thread title was about libel.  &quot;Two of LL&#039;s four paragraphs had nothing to two with libel&quot;?  Just what sort of idiot are you?  Even if this didn&#039;t mean that 50% were, there is the concept of joined-up thinking and thoughts leading on from one another.

Now, what sort of troll appears on a thread to scream and shout in order to shut down freedom of the press?  Mueen-Uddin has not done too badly in this country, and could respond with a counter-argument... instead he has screamed and shouted to shut down dissent.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Now you&#8217;re a post modern idiot who thinks he can make words mean whatever he wants them to mean, and throw back remarks without explanation.</p>
<p>The thread title was about libel.  &#8220;Two of LL&#8217;s four paragraphs had nothing to two with libel&#8221;?  Just what sort of idiot are you?  Even if this didn&#8217;t mean that 50% were, there is the concept of joined-up thinking and thoughts leading on from one another.</p>
<p>Now, what sort of troll appears on a thread to scream and shout in order to shut down freedom of the press?  Mueen-Uddin has not done too badly in this country, and could respond with a counter-argument&#8230; instead he has screamed and shouted to shut down dissent.</p>
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		<title>By: sharkie</title>
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		<dc:creator>sharkie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Oct 2009 13:59:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Alec, I don&#039;t need you to tell me what the thread is about, you barely got past the headline yourself, two of &#039;Lucy Lips&#039; four paragraphs have nothing to do with libel. My position is that there should be an investigation - libel laws shouldn&#039;t prevent that, even when they&#039;re being abused. Your position is - oh, hang on, you haven&#039;t given any position, you&#039;ve just mouthed off, and misunderstood what I&#039;ve written.

I don&#039;t have any problem with Delwar&#039;s CiF article, hard to see how a libel action could stick when he&#039;s not making accusations himself, nor implying guilt. Looks to me, though, that &#039;Lucy Lips&#039; was implying guilt and taking the opportunity to stick one on the MCB et al.

So, Alec, &quot;either stop being an idiot, or clear off.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Alec, I don&#8217;t need you to tell me what the thread is about, you barely got past the headline yourself, two of &#8216;Lucy Lips&#8217; four paragraphs have nothing to do with libel. My position is that there should be an investigation &#8211; libel laws shouldn&#8217;t prevent that, even when they&#8217;re being abused. Your position is &#8211; oh, hang on, you haven&#8217;t given any position, you&#8217;ve just mouthed off, and misunderstood what I&#8217;ve written.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t have any problem with Delwar&#8217;s CiF article, hard to see how a libel action could stick when he&#8217;s not making accusations himself, nor implying guilt. Looks to me, though, that &#8216;Lucy Lips&#8217; was implying guilt and taking the opportunity to stick one on the MCB et al.</p>
<p>So, Alec, &#8220;either stop being an idiot, or clear off.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Alec M</title>
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		<dc:creator>Alec M</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Oct 2009 09:57:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sharkie, you&#039;re an idiot, a complete and utter idiot.  This thread is not directly about who did what in 1971... it&#039;s about the aggressive pursuit of illiberalism through British libel laws.

Now either stop being an idiot, or clear off.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sharkie, you&#8217;re an idiot, a complete and utter idiot.  This thread is not directly about who did what in 1971&#8230; it&#8217;s about the aggressive pursuit of illiberalism through British libel laws.</p>
<p>Now either stop being an idiot, or clear off.</p>
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		<title>By: Josh Scholar</title>
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		<dc:creator>Josh Scholar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Oct 2009 09:20:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;And you, Alec, are a sad troll - go and exploit someone else’s cause.&lt;/i&gt;

I could go on about racist the attitude is that genocide is only your concern and that if anyone outside is concerned with justice they&#039;re &quot;exploiting&quot; you.

But I don&#039;t actually believe you mean any word you&#039;ve said.  I think you have your own reason for not wanting anything brought to light and you&#039;re throwing up a smokescreen.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>And you, Alec, are a sad troll &#8211; go and exploit someone else’s cause.</i></p>
<p>I could go on about racist the attitude is that genocide is only your concern and that if anyone outside is concerned with justice they&#8217;re &#8220;exploiting&#8221; you.</p>
<p>But I don&#8217;t actually believe you mean any word you&#8217;ve said.  I think you have your own reason for not wanting anything brought to light and you&#8217;re throwing up a smokescreen.</p>
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		<title>By: sharkie</title>
		<link>http://hurryupharry.org/2009/10/07/the-guardian-will-shortly-receive-a-libel-threat-from-carter-ruck/comment-page-1/#comment-395660</link>
		<dc:creator>sharkie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Oct 2009 06:55:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And you, Alec, are a sad troll - go and exploit someone else&#039;s cause.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And you, Alec, are a sad troll &#8211; go and exploit someone else&#8217;s cause.</p>
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		<title>By: Alec M</title>
		<link>http://hurryupharry.org/2009/10/07/the-guardian-will-shortly-receive-a-libel-threat-from-carter-ruck/comment-page-1/#comment-395624</link>
		<dc:creator>Alec M</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Oct 2009 23:25:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&gt;&gt; Alec - or Lucy, whatever your name is

You&#039;re a loonie.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&gt;&gt; Alec &#8211; or Lucy, whatever your name is</p>
<p>You&#8217;re a loonie.</p>
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		<title>By: David T</title>
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		<dc:creator>David T</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Oct 2009 21:58:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;I&gt;Is CM is guilty or not? I don’t know, and certainly you don’t know. He can’t be dragged to Bangladesh for a trial, and no investigation there has ever had any credibility. I wish - and this was the essence of what I posted - that he could be investigated here, as he’s a British citizen accused of a terrible crime. I suspect that after nearly 40 years nothing short of confessions from those involved will ever get us nearer the truth.&lt;/I&gt;

Hmmm.

I&#039;m not so sure. We&#039;ve managed to catch and try others after the passage of many years.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Is CM is guilty or not? I don’t know, and certainly you don’t know. He can’t be dragged to Bangladesh for a trial, and no investigation there has ever had any credibility. I wish &#8211; and this was the essence of what I posted &#8211; that he could be investigated here, as he’s a British citizen accused of a terrible crime. I suspect that after nearly 40 years nothing short of confessions from those involved will ever get us nearer the truth.</i></p>
<p>Hmmm.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m not so sure. We&#8217;ve managed to catch and try others after the passage of many years.</p>
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		<title>By: sharkie</title>
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		<dc:creator>sharkie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Oct 2009 21:32:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Alec - or Lucy, whatever your name is - read what I said, not what you think. I realise that the posting of this issue here is driven not by any care for the serious issue involved, but by gripes with JI associated groups in the UK. War crimes are a lingering sore in the Bangladeshi community that you clearly don&#039;t understand.

I know Delwar well, I agree with his concerns and passion, if not always with his methods. Pointing the finger at suspects without any meaningful follow through has brought us nowhere in all the years since independence, let alone since the Channel 4 documentary. Opportunities to investigate the matter didn&#039;t disappear in 1975, both the Awami League and BNP could have taken up this matter since if they had wanted to, with no concern that the miniscule JI party could prevent or influence any investigation. What drives everything in Bangladesh is political opportunism, coupled with concerns about not dragging into the public limelight matters that might cause problems for other parties to these affairs.

Is CM is guilty or not? I don&#039;t know, and certainly you don&#039;t know. He can&#039;t be dragged to Bangladesh for a trial, and no investigation there has ever had any credibility. I wish - and this was the essence of what I posted - that he could be investigated here, as he&#039;s a British citizen accused of a terrible crime. I suspect that after nearly 40 years nothing short of confessions from those involved will ever get us nearer the truth.

Don&#039;t trivialise the matter, nor pretend it&#039;s a matter of the &#039;free press&#039; when it is suggested here not only that he shouldn&#039;t seek legal redress, but that there should be no engagement with groups with which he is associated. Let there be due process and, if he&#039;s found guilty, line him up against the wall and shoot him, it would be all he deserved. Then ask those groups he&#039;s linked with to answer for their associations.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Alec &#8211; or Lucy, whatever your name is &#8211; read what I said, not what you think. I realise that the posting of this issue here is driven not by any care for the serious issue involved, but by gripes with JI associated groups in the UK. War crimes are a lingering sore in the Bangladeshi community that you clearly don&#8217;t understand.</p>
<p>I know Delwar well, I agree with his concerns and passion, if not always with his methods. Pointing the finger at suspects without any meaningful follow through has brought us nowhere in all the years since independence, let alone since the Channel 4 documentary. Opportunities to investigate the matter didn&#8217;t disappear in 1975, both the Awami League and BNP could have taken up this matter since if they had wanted to, with no concern that the miniscule JI party could prevent or influence any investigation. What drives everything in Bangladesh is political opportunism, coupled with concerns about not dragging into the public limelight matters that might cause problems for other parties to these affairs.</p>
<p>Is CM is guilty or not? I don&#8217;t know, and certainly you don&#8217;t know. He can&#8217;t be dragged to Bangladesh for a trial, and no investigation there has ever had any credibility. I wish &#8211; and this was the essence of what I posted &#8211; that he could be investigated here, as he&#8217;s a British citizen accused of a terrible crime. I suspect that after nearly 40 years nothing short of confessions from those involved will ever get us nearer the truth.</p>
<p>Don&#8217;t trivialise the matter, nor pretend it&#8217;s a matter of the &#8216;free press&#8217; when it is suggested here not only that he shouldn&#8217;t seek legal redress, but that there should be no engagement with groups with which he is associated. Let there be due process and, if he&#8217;s found guilty, line him up against the wall and shoot him, it would be all he deserved. Then ask those groups he&#8217;s linked with to answer for their associations.</p>
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