Comments on: Oh Dear Sunny

By: Alec M

Alec M — Wed, 07 Oct 2009 17:40:12 +0000

David, my guess is that John is confused.

Sunny supported David Davis ‘cos it made him feel Right. He is now opposing David Davis ‘cos it makes him feel Right.

Sunny carried a banner saying “No to the IDF” ‘cos it made him feel Right. He also carried a banner saying “No to Hamas” ‘cos it made him feel Right.

By: Venichka

Venichka — Wed, 07 Oct 2009 16:37:48 +0000

Because “taking sides” and “being seen to take sides” (combined with a fairly thuggish bit of “groupthink”, properly Orwellian “daily hates”, “playing the man and not the ball”, playing to popular prejudices, and so on) are, sadly, far too prevalent round here (even if more evident in the comments threads- some of which lately have been really spectacularly vile than in the actual articles, although the latter are sadly very far from being immune to such things, and indeed often promote such imbecilic attitudes), and generally regarded as preferable to any concern for objective realities or objective truth.

Basically, it is too much “you are with us or against us” around here. Yuk. Yuk. Yuk.

What it SHOULD be, rather is, “those who are not against us are for us”.

By: Down Not Out

Down Not Out — Wed, 07 Oct 2009 16:30:29 +0000

In fact, it’s not just the mantra of this blog, it is what your current logo picture clearly depicts!

So how can you ignore it?

By: Down Not Out

Down Not Out — Wed, 07 Oct 2009 16:23:37 +0000

HP, even!

By: Down Not Out

Down Not Out — Wed, 07 Oct 2009 16:21:30 +0000

David T,

Does your Labour tribalism explain why you have not given so much as a nod to Sayeeda Warsi’s conference speech? This despite the fact that she basically gave voice to the mantra of this blog- the equivalence between Al Muj and white fascists.

Or is it because she is a powerful, articulate and moderate Muslim?

Or because Sunny blogged it first?

Because any way you look at it, it is wierd that PP has ignored the speech.

By: tory

tory — Wed, 07 Oct 2009 15:28:26 +0000

“If we had relied on Guardian-reading vegetarians to defend liberty,” he reckoned, “we’d all be speaking German.”

David T is upset because he knows its true.

Everyone knows its true.

You backed the wrong side and now your mission in life is to war with old comrades.

By: Flaming Fairy

Flaming Fairy — Wed, 07 Oct 2009 15:28:18 +0000

”Guardian reading vegetarians” is an offensive and unfortunate term

And thus cool

By: Margie

Margie — Wed, 07 Oct 2009 15:12:27 +0000

So the green party has no chance? :(

By: Internationalist

Internationalist — Wed, 07 Oct 2009 14:04:29 +0000

“The war was opposed, initially, not by Guardian reading veggies:” [but by commies ...]

Wrong. The Stalinists SUPPORTED the war from 1939 onwards, but they supported the war on the other side (invasion of Finland, partition of Poland) until Hitler made the mistake of attacking the USSR and starting a war on two fronts.

If Hitler had not made this mistake the war would have had a different outcome.

As well as pacifists, the war was opposed by proletarian internationalists who don’t think ordinary Germans and Italians should be killing ordinary English, French, Americans and Russians and vice versa on behalf of the ruling elite.

I wholeheartedly agree.

Unfortunately this political current was tiny in 1939, having been wiped out by Stalinism and Trotskyism, both of which committed the working class to fighting on behalf of imperialism (social democracy had already gone over to the class enemy in 1914),

There was some glimmer of hope with the foundation of the PCInt in Italy in 1943 but antifashism was an overwhelming victory for the ruling class.

Will you publish this comment?

I doubt it, it might force you to think for a change.

By: David T

David T — Wed, 07 Oct 2009 13:41:03 +0000

“In other words far right ranting.”

I’m confused

Are you saying that Sunny was engaging in far right ranting when he said that brown people should vote Tory? Or that he’s engaged in far right ranting when he says that brown people should not vote Tory?

I’m very confused by your argument JohnG. Have you thought it through?