Comments on: Marek Edelman z”l: Hero of the Warsaw Ghetto http://hurryupharry.org/2009/10/03/marek-edelman-z%e2%80%9dl-hero-of-the-warsaw-ghetto/ Liberty, if it means anything, is the right to tell people what they don't want to hear Fri, 25 May 2012 22:09:13 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.2 hourly 1 By: David All http://hurryupharry.org/2009/10/03/marek-edelman-z%e2%80%9dl-hero-of-the-warsaw-ghetto/comment-page-1/#comment-395029 David All Tue, 06 Oct 2009 13:52:30 +0000 http://www.hurryupharry.org/?p=22334#comment-395029 Thank You, Stephen for linking to that very inspiring documentary. Had not heard of Zegota before. Thank You, Stephen for linking to that very inspiring documentary.
Had not heard of Zegota before.

]]> By: stephen marks http://hurryupharry.org/2009/10/03/marek-edelman-z%e2%80%9dl-hero-of-the-warsaw-ghetto/comment-page-1/#comment-394932 stephen marks Tue, 06 Oct 2009 08:37:40 +0000 http://www.hurryupharry.org/?p=22334#comment-394932 Marek Edelman speaks in parts 1 and 2 of this 3-part documentary about the work of Zegota - the organisation set up by the Polish underground to help save Jews, and which was responsible for saving 50,000 lives. The moral and personal courage of all those interviewed is beyond words. http://www.youtube.com/watch? v=7...feature=related Marek Edelman speaks in parts 1 and 2 of this 3-part documentary about the work of Zegota – the organisation set up by the Polish underground to help save Jews, and which was responsible for saving 50,000 lives.

The moral and personal courage of all those interviewed is beyond words.

http://www.youtube.com/watch? v=7…feature=related

]]> By: stephen marks http://hurryupharry.org/2009/10/03/marek-edelman-z%e2%80%9dl-hero-of-the-warsaw-ghetto/comment-page-1/#comment-394933 stephen marks Tue, 06 Oct 2009 08:37:23 +0000 http://www.hurryupharry.org/?p=22334#comment-394933 Marek Edelman speaks in parts 1 and 2 of this 3-part documentary about the work of Zegota - the organisation set up by the Polish underground to help save Jews, and which was responsible for saving 50,000 lives. The moral and personal courage of all those interviewed is beyond words. http://www.youtube.com/watch? v=7...feature=related Marek Edelman speaks in parts 1 and 2 of this 3-part documentary about the work of Zegota – the organisation set up by the Polish underground to help save Jews, and which was responsible for saving 50,000 lives.

The moral and personal courage of all those interviewed is beyond words.

http://www.youtube.com/watch? v=7…feature=related

]]> By: Alan Ji http://hurryupharry.org/2009/10/03/marek-edelman-z%e2%80%9dl-hero-of-the-warsaw-ghetto/comment-page-1/#comment-394867 Alan Ji Mon, 05 Oct 2009 19:27:00 +0000 http://www.hurryupharry.org/?p=22334#comment-394867 Bored by Stoppers @ 4 October 2009, 9:44 am Wow, that's strong stuff. It beats, by a very long way, me telling John Reid that I was there to hear him say that in his youth he demonstrated agaisnt American involvement in creating dictatorships and he wasn't going to object when they removed one. In the full piece, did Marek Edelman set out his comparison of Ba'athism with Fascism? Bored by Stoppers @ 4 October 2009, 9:44 am

Wow, that’s strong stuff. It beats, by a very long way, me telling John Reid that I was there to hear him say that in his youth he demonstrated agaisnt American involvement in creating dictatorships and he wasn’t going to object when they removed one.

In the full piece, did Marek Edelman set out his comparison of Ba’athism with Fascism?

]]> By: Lobbus http://hurryupharry.org/2009/10/03/marek-edelman-z%e2%80%9dl-hero-of-the-warsaw-ghetto/comment-page-1/#comment-394714 Lobbus Mon, 05 Oct 2009 10:43:05 +0000 http://www.hurryupharry.org/?p=22334#comment-394714 "A vegetarian? Oy gevalt! That would explain a lot." To a certain extent, yes, tho it also means that its back to the drawing board on the question as to who ate all the pies.... ;) “A vegetarian? Oy gevalt! That would explain a lot.”

To a certain extent, yes, tho it also means that its back to the drawing board on the question as to who ate all the pies…. ;)

]]> By: Mikey http://hurryupharry.org/2009/10/03/marek-edelman-z%e2%80%9dl-hero-of-the-warsaw-ghetto/comment-page-1/#comment-394688 Mikey Mon, 05 Oct 2009 09:41:46 +0000 http://www.hurryupharry.org/?p=22334#comment-394688 A vegetarian? <i>Oy gevalt!</i> That would explain a lot. A vegetarian? Oy gevalt! That would explain a lot.

]]> By: Richard http://hurryupharry.org/2009/10/03/marek-edelman-z%e2%80%9dl-hero-of-the-warsaw-ghetto/comment-page-1/#comment-394677 Richard Mon, 05 Oct 2009 09:10:39 +0000 http://www.hurryupharry.org/?p=22334#comment-394677 David - My great uncle was a vegetarian for over 70 years. But he had one weakness - he loved pickled herring. He claimed he didn't realise it was made from fish! David – My great uncle was a vegetarian for over 70 years. But he had one weakness – he loved pickled herring. He claimed he didn’t realise it was made from fish!

]]> By: David Rosenberg http://hurryupharry.org/2009/10/03/marek-edelman-z%e2%80%9dl-hero-of-the-warsaw-ghetto/comment-page-1/#comment-394625 David Rosenberg Sun, 04 Oct 2009 22:56:22 +0000 http://www.hurryupharry.org/?p=22334#comment-394625 Muffin - disagreement but respect reciprocated of course. Mikey thanks for posting the music. Good description but as a card carrying vegetarian I have to emphatically deny the "shmaltz herring" slur. Muffin – disagreement but respect reciprocated of course.

Mikey thanks for posting the music. Good description but as a card carrying vegetarian I have to emphatically deny the “shmaltz herring” slur.

]]> By: Michael Ezra http://hurryupharry.org/2009/10/03/marek-edelman-z%e2%80%9dl-hero-of-the-warsaw-ghetto/comment-page-1/#comment-394591 Michael Ezra Sun, 04 Oct 2009 20:52:38 +0000 http://www.hurryupharry.org/?p=22334#comment-394591 Leonard, I do not think one should get overly political about this, whether the Jews in the Warsaw Ghetto were Bundist, socialist Zionist, Zionist revisionists or apolitical, they were all in it together and the Nazis wanted the same end to all of them. My point above was pre-emptive to those who wanted to make an anti-Zionist political point. It does seem that some narratives of the Waraw Ghetto Uprising have been politically biased. In the essay I referred to above from <i>Israel Affairs,</i>* Moshe Arens is critical of some narratives for simply ignoring the ZZW. He specifically mentions Edelman's account in <i>The Ghetto Fights</i> as one of them. Reports by Socialist Zionists emphasised their role and downplayed the Bund and the list goes on. I have to concur with Arens, a Likud politician with roots in Betar, for being <a href="http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/1118610.html" rel="nofollow"> critical </a> of Israeli universities for failing to have awarded Edelman with an honorary doctorate that "he so richly deserved." *The full reference is as follows: Moshe Arens, "The Development of the Narrative of the Warsaw Ghetto Uprising" <i>Israel Affairs</i>, Vol.14, No.1, January 2008, pp.6–28 Leonard,

I do not think one should get overly political about this, whether the Jews in the Warsaw Ghetto were Bundist, socialist Zionist, Zionist revisionists or apolitical, they were all in it together and the Nazis wanted the same end to all of them. My point above was pre-emptive to those who wanted to make an anti-Zionist political point.

It does seem that some narratives of the Waraw Ghetto Uprising have been politically biased. In the essay I referred to above from Israel Affairs,* Moshe Arens is critical of some narratives for simply ignoring the ZZW. He specifically mentions Edelman’s account in The Ghetto Fights as one of them. Reports by Socialist Zionists emphasised their role and downplayed the Bund and the list goes on.

I have to concur with Arens, a Likud politician with roots in Betar, for being critical of Israeli universities for failing to have awarded Edelman with an honorary doctorate that “he so richly deserved.”

*The full reference is as follows:

Moshe Arens, “The Development of the Narrative of the Warsaw Ghetto Uprising” Israel Affairs, Vol.14, No.1, January 2008, pp.6–28

]]> By: Leonard http://hurryupharry.org/2009/10/03/marek-edelman-z%e2%80%9dl-hero-of-the-warsaw-ghetto/comment-page-1/#comment-394580 Leonard Sun, 04 Oct 2009 19:49:23 +0000 http://www.hurryupharry.org/?p=22334#comment-394580 Thanks Mikey. The version of the Stroop Report that I acquired from Foyles about 20 years ago published by Secker & Warburg. In his introduction on page 7 of the report in German he refers to Treblinka by name. Thereafter he uses the Nazi code word T-II. On page 3 of his report he lists the first large removal of Warsaw Jews from 22nd July to 3rd October 1943 of 310,322. I find the Stroop Report to unintentionally constitute an account of the valiant and desperate struggle of the uprising, almost in the same way that we learn about Masada and the siege of jerusalem through Josephesus in "the Jewish wars " who at the time of his record was working for the Romans. Some of his photo's like the "he-halutz women staring defiantly at their Nazi captors is a tribute to their heroism and is recorded for posterity. Thanks Mikey. The version of the Stroop Report that I acquired from Foyles about 20 years ago published by Secker & Warburg.
In his introduction on page 7 of the report in German he refers to Treblinka by name. Thereafter he uses the Nazi code word T-II.
On page 3 of his report he lists the first large removal of Warsaw Jews from 22nd July to 3rd October 1943 of 310,322.

I find the Stroop Report to unintentionally constitute an account of the valiant and desperate struggle of the uprising, almost in the same way that we learn about Masada and the siege of jerusalem through Josephesus in “the Jewish wars ” who at the time of his record was working for the Romans. Some of his photo’s like the “he-halutz women staring defiantly at their Nazi captors is a tribute to their heroism and is recorded for posterity.

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