Harry's Place

A bit silly? A bit obsessive more like. This is the bloke who went off to Guido Fawkes trial for drink driving, leading the good Master Fawkes to speculate that there was something not entirely right about Ireland. As you say he writes long, convoluted pieces that make no sense to anyone who has not been following his obsessions since the beginning.

What’s the betting that he uses Linux as his OS? Blokes like that do seem to have a close relationship with Mrs Hand and her five daughters…

This Ireland fellow is being threatened by Mattie the Goose-boy?

Sounds like a fairy-tale to me:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mattie_the_Goose-boy

Tim Ireland is a complete muppet, but it’s a free country and that includes muppetry. Certainly anyone should have the freedom to make themselves look a complete idiot online without threats of violence, so I am fully in support of Ireland on this one.

I can’t understand all this at all, but the threats seem pretty tongue-in-cheek. The “Fighting Cocks” sound like a good band, though.

1. Thank you, Harry.

2. WARNING; detail ahead. Those with short attention spans should skip to #6

3. I did not regard the presence of extremist views on Ummah.com to be an urgent or relevant matter as far as the Jenvey story went. I even have good reason to believe that the site is at present nowhere near as bad as it used to be. Indeed, why would Jenvey have to fabricate evidence of extremism if there were plenty of genuine examples on offer just lying around? Further, it was in the interests of The Sun to dig out every contemporary example of extremism they could find on that site in order to justify their judgement that the words “polite letter-writing campaign” were an “obvious euphemism” for something more sinister, and they were well motivated with Sugar and the PCC on their backs…. but the resulting dossier raised more smirks than eyebrows. Finally, it needs to be pointed out that this was not a priority for Jenvey’s former associate Dominic Wightman until AFTER he was caught playing much the same game as Jenvey (in an effort to have his revenge on that man and another former associate from the good old ‘Vigil’ days):
http://www.spinwatch.org/-articles-by-category-mainmenu-8/74-terror-spin/5315-the-british-amateur-terror-trackers-a-case-study-in-dubious-politics
http://www.bloggerheads.com/archives/2009/09/dominic_wightman.asp

4. ‘Exile’ (above) makes a comment that at first seems irrelevant, but if you’d care to look at the (sweet, sweet) detail:

Dominic Wightman (the man who is most instrumental in these recent attacks on me) wrote this in his extraordinarily inventive hatchet-piece: ‘As one commentator alleges, “Tim posts hundreds of posts about someone, sets up websites aboutthem, manically edits Wikipedia, bombards them with threatening emails on ahourly basis sometimes, and is hostile towards ‘civilians’ in respect of familymembers who have no part to play.’
http://westminsterjournal.com/content/view/230/1/ (<- if you think my posts are long and incomprehensible, look out!)

That commentator used by Wightman in his attack is Phil ‘Dizzy’ Hendren, who – like other supporters of Paul Staines – not only played the ’stalker’ card after I attended that blogger’s sentencing but at the time failed to back up his ‘civilian’ remark with anything of substance and still refuses to update the relevant post… even though I later caught the guy editing the Wikipedia page of Paul Staines (‘Pogsurf’) and Hendren knows that:
http://dizzythinks.net/2008/05/not-stalkerish-behaviour-at-all.html

And he’s not the only one to leave unsubstantiated claims like this lying around; after input from Iain Dale, Patrick Mercer has started responding to questions about this matter and the whole Wightman/Vigil debacle with (entirely false) claims that I am an “electronic stalker” – the same claim being used by the ‘Cheerleaders’ to justify their attacks, which I suspect to be little more then the result of Dominic Wightman’s desire for revenge. I tried contacting both sources of this claim today; they won’t stand by their claims and defend them… but neither will they withdraw them. Instead, they’ll just use them to avoid answering awkward questions, and leave them floating around, waiting to picked up by people who have something to hide and/or a thirst for revenge (usually when they get caught attacking others from the safety of a sock-puppet account).

5. For the record, it’s not me who makes this shit complicated. For starters, I keep to one identity online and off, unlike some people.

6. I worry less about what the Cheerleaders are capable of themselves, and more about their repeated broadcasting of my home address to people and groups they think will be hostile to me. Among these people; at least one person with a (genuine) personality disorder, a conman who has already attempted to twin Jenvey’s false claims of paedophilia with my work address, and any number of BNP supporters who will be less than impressed by two entirely different puppet-related incidents:
http://www.bloggerheads.com/archives/2009/05/bnp_stealing_im.asp
http://www.bloggerheads.com/archives/2009/05/billy_brit.asp

This damage has already been done, even if the Cheerleaders pack up and go home today.

Wightman appears beyond reason at present, but I expected more from Patrick Mercer and even Iain Dale; both of them could within minutes put the brakes on this ’stalker’ meme. Sadly, Mercer has a big anti-terror report coming out, so can’t afford to admit that two of his former ‘terror experts’ have harassed me with actions warranting police investigation, and Dale can’t afford to admit to some quite poor judgement in this matter now that he’s chasing a second Conservative candidacy and has to look to potential constituents like a good cross-party caseworker (and not someone who is so partisan that he will favour fighting one smear over another, which is at the heart of our present disagreement).

7. Thanks again, Harry.

Gah!

Thank you, *David*. Times two.

Sorry. I skipped right past the byline.

It is a pity that a way could not have been found that didn’t have the effect of assisting Ummah.com, but there you have it. I think that Tim is insufficiently concerned about extreme and vicious Islamist political movements.

Based on what? I mean I can’t speak for Tim but my guess is that he thought that exposing the county’s biggest selling newspaper for running a fraudulent anti-Muslim scare story on its front page was rather more important than worrying about an obscure website. And I would agree.

Bloggers put themselves ‘out there’, and really shouldn’t have to take the crap they sometimes do. You have all my sympathies.

I think you’ll be ok – I certainly hope so!

Thanks, David. Most of us do this without the backing of large publishers, too. It makes us easier to bully.

(Would you mind clearing my previous comment? It appears to be held over in moderation. Probably because it is very long and chock-full of linkage. Oh, and while I’m here; the whole Bloggerheads=porn thing probably results from one of my oldest and most-visited articles – http://bit.ly/4b83DM <-SFW )

Very long and chock full of linkage – surely not?!

Tim’s arguments with various bloggers, politicians and general low lifes can be a little hard to follow, but once you get your head around it he does a pretty good job at shining a light on some shoddy behaviour. At the very least he’s highlighted what an utter tool Iain Dale is.

Steve

No, I think you’ll find that he highlighted what an utter tool Tim Ireland is, by a bizarre campaign against Mr Dale.

I’m sorry, is Spankie saying it’s obsessive to follow unapologetic drink drivers?

This is too deliciously bizarre for words. Ludas Matyi fronted my ex-wife’s band, they are the reason we met…but what in holy hell is he doing mixed up with former Tory MP advisers and threatening Tim Ireland?

Oh, and he’s about five foot and skinny as a rake, btw. My money’s on Tim.

This is too deliciously bizarre for words. Ludas Matyi fronted my ex-wife’s band, they are the reason we met…but what in holy hell is he doing mixed up with former Tory MP advisers and threatening Tim Ireland?

Its like an episode of Neighbours isn’t it?

Who’s Dr Clive though and who is Scott and Charlene?

Ireland,

My comment was only “irrelevant” to someone who has problems with the old reading comprehension. The point I made was that far from being silly, you are actually a rather pathetic obsessive. You kindly provided a link to a piece by Westminster Journal which made that point as well. What kind of man turns up to a boozing session with a fucking laptop, with the obvious intention of wasting good supping time?

A sad man.

I pointed out how your comment WAS relevant, even though you repeatedly bring up the same matter every time you have a go at me.

And ‘boozing session’? We met so he could hand over audio on a USB stick and convey information (not all of it factual or accurate, I may add). I used the laptop to accept the audio file and take notes. Wightman deliberately misrepresented that (and everything else he didn’t simply invent).

Wightman claims to be backed by hoardes of invisible Tory well-wishers, but so far only two people have given his 7,000-word attack-piece the time of day; you and a chap I’ve already mentioned in this thread (‘Pogsurf’). Wightman even had a former editor of his site jump ship as a direct result of its publication (“I will not be asssociated with Westminster Journal while it is used as a vehicle for character attack and bile”, he said – check it out):
http://barthsnotes.wordpress.com/2009/09/14/dominic-wightman-the-story-of-an-encounter/

No-one attacked by “exile” can be all bad.

I’ve never once mentioned the Wightman piece. In fact I read it for the first time yesterday night, and haven’t commented on any blog between then and now. Except that is on my own blog a piece to out a foolish man who doesn’t understand why people call him names.

I too think Tim is silly. Not least because for four years he ran a blog which said he was stalking Tim Yeo MP. If others call him “stalker” he has zero comeback.

I have absolutely no truck with threats of violence or accusing others of criminal acts they have not committed. It’s unequivocally wrong. In this respect I have a great deal of sympathy for Tim, and I hope matters return to a suitable norm in a peaceful way.

OK, so you went to a swill shop and left sober? What kind of wazzock does that? I know -the kind who treks out to watch a blogger being fined for having one over the odds. At least Guido knows what a boozer is for…

As for Wightman, I had never heard of him either until I read the piece that you linked to. So he says one thing and you say another. Now we know that you are a sad obsessive but we have no such evidence to make the same claim about this other bugger. On that basis I tend to believe him. I could dig deeper into the tale, but life is too short.

PogSurf:

My apologies. Rather than giving any credence to Wightman’s attack piece, you merely gave credence to one of the absurd (and heavily loaded) questions that preceded it (see: ‘item 9′ in particular). It’s still Wightman’s bullshit, any way you slice it, and you were one of very few people chose to give it any credit, so my point stands.
http://pogsurf.blogspot.com/2009/09/on-honesty.html

If you’d like a denial to that sort of question, I have NEVER adopted a false persona/ID in order to attack someone’s reputation with no risk to my own (as you have… repeatedly).

As for your defence of the malicious use of the word stalker based on my facetious use of the same word years ago, here’s a dusty old email from my archives. It speaks for itself:

———————————————————–
—– Original Message —–
From: “Iain Dale” [iain.dale@politicos.co.uk]
To: [manic@bloggerheads.com]
Sent: Thursday, July 29, 2004 10:54 PM
Subject: Bloggerheads

> Tim
> I’d be soooo grateful if you’d add a link to my blog
> http://www.iaindale.blogspot.com.
>
> Idiot in The Guardian said I was candidate in Norwich North – it’s North
> Norfolk. Typical Guardian!
>
> Enjoyed your Tim Yeo blog.
>
> Iain
>
———————————————————–

If Iain Dale especially is going to call me a stalker based on that Tim Yeo blog alone, then I have one hell of a comeback.

(PS – You’ve chosen now, when I am being set upon by Wightman and his vicious trolls, to re-emerge and have a go at me, presumably because you’re still pissed that I caught you sock-puppeting. The timing alone suggests you are quite happy to go along with the Cheerleaders’ fun and games, or at least take advantage of their presence. You even seek to lend credibility to their ’stalker’ claims with a case that wouldn’t hold water even in the absence of the above email from Iain Dale. I have nothing further to say to you, especially not on someone else’s site where you are likely to make a mess. Go away.)

Exile:

Wightman suggested meeting in a specific place that happened to be a pub, so we met in a pub. I’ll not be drawn into an off-topic debate on alcohol and social inclusion, but I will offer you fresh evidence that Dominic Wightman is a being less-than-honest:
http://www.bloggerheads.com/archives/2009/10/dominic_wightma.asp

Tim you really are an arse for the reasons outlined above. Timing is everything, but in this case you wrote an item called “Iain Dale is being a pain again” on the 16th September and linked back to your fatuous expose of me. I hadn’t given it any thought in ten months. If you really want people to stop talking about you, you have to learn to stop talking about them. For most of us we pick this up in our teenage years, but some are always slower to develop than others.

Nuff said. I’m back off to internet obscurity, till the next fruit-loop starts calling me names.

Butthurt, pogsurf?

No it’s fine Mictalan, thanks for asking.

The fact that this Wightman may or may not be telling porkies is neither here nor there: what matters is that you are a dipstick. Blogging is good fun, but the effect that it has beyond its patch is about nil I should think.

It is OK for oldish buggers like me, but young fellows like you need to get your act together. When I was your age I would never have behaved like you do. Get your arse down to a decent swill shop like this and then pull yourself some talent.