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		<title>By: TrueToo</title>
		<link>http://hurryupharry.org/2009/09/25/press-tv-not-pressed/comment-page-2/#comment-392481</link>
		<dc:creator>TrueToo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 27 Sep 2009 21:09:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Israelinurse 7 September 2009, 10:48 am

&lt;i&gt;I think we need to be really careful not to throw the term ‘anti-Semitism’ around too casually when it’s not justified. It is not in anyone’s interests to cheapen that term.&lt;/i&gt;

True, but there are times when BBC journalists actually seem to jeer at Israel.

Bialik 27 September 2009, 7:33 pm

Yes, that&#039;s exactly what got me about Lustig&#039;s blog title.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Israelinurse 7 September 2009, 10:48 am</p>
<p><i>I think we need to be really careful not to throw the term ‘anti-Semitism’ around too casually when it’s not justified. It is not in anyone’s interests to cheapen that term.</i></p>
<p>True, but there are times when BBC journalists actually seem to jeer at Israel.</p>
<p>Bialik 27 September 2009, 7:33 pm</p>
<p>Yes, that&#8217;s exactly what got me about Lustig&#8217;s blog title.</p>
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		<title>By: Bialik</title>
		<link>http://hurryupharry.org/2009/09/25/press-tv-not-pressed/comment-page-2/#comment-392459</link>
		<dc:creator>Bialik</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 27 Sep 2009 18:33:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Truetoo: Agreed, and the phrase &#039;getting tough with Israel&#039; implies that the US is in Israel&#039;s pocket normally. 

Slightly related, the BBC also generally calls the Lebanese government the &#039;US&#039; or &#039;Western-backed&#039; Lebanese government. Either all the other governments in the world are on bad terms with &#039;the US/the West&#039; or there is more than one Lebanese government. What I&#039;m saying is, the BBC&#039;s middle-east coverage is lazy across the board and doesn&#039;t stop at the stereotyping of Israel. The stories have to fit predetermined structures. 
I blame groupthink rather than conspiracy of incompetence.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Truetoo: Agreed, and the phrase &#8216;getting tough with Israel&#8217; implies that the US is in Israel&#8217;s pocket normally. </p>
<p>Slightly related, the BBC also generally calls the Lebanese government the &#8216;US&#8217; or &#8216;Western-backed&#8217; Lebanese government. Either all the other governments in the world are on bad terms with &#8216;the US/the West&#8217; or there is more than one Lebanese government. What I&#8217;m saying is, the BBC&#8217;s middle-east coverage is lazy across the board and doesn&#8217;t stop at the stereotyping of Israel. The stories have to fit predetermined structures.<br />
I blame groupthink rather than conspiracy of incompetence.</p>
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		<title>By: Alan Stoddart</title>
		<link>http://hurryupharry.org/2009/09/25/press-tv-not-pressed/comment-page-2/#comment-392395</link>
		<dc:creator>Alan Stoddart</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 27 Sep 2009 11:03:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>BBC quite happy to push the boat out to explain to us how the Youtube video &#039;Muslim Demographics&#039; is wrong about the threat of immigration, going so far as to place their own video on Youtube....but here is a report from the German elections that tells us that 9% of the electorate are immigrants with of course higher concentrations in the cities( the BBC report calls Muslims &#039;Turks&#039; so as not to frighten you):

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/8271249.stm


It is the first time that the voter statistics have been made public. 
&lt;b&gt; &quot;Nine per cent is a significant portion,&quot; &lt;/b&gt; said Andreas Wuest, project director at the Mannheim Centre for European Social Research and the only German academic who focuses on migrants as political actors
&quot;In one way or another, this share of the population can have an effect, especially in constituencies with higher levels of migrant voters, for instance in the bigger cities in the West.&quot; 
So all the major political parties are fielding candidates from the &lt;b&gt; fast-growing migrant communities. &lt;/b&gt; 
There is a new leaflet out, in German and Turkish, explaining in simple language how the political system works here, and plans to publish one in Russian for the next election. 
One of its promoters is Gabriele Guen Tank, the commissioner for immigrants in Berlin&#039;s Schoeneberg district. 
Almost half of the youngsters in Schoeneberg, she said, come from a migrant background. Soon they will be eligible to vote. 
&quot;It&#039;s a big group coming,&quot; Ms Tank said. &quot;And if we don&#039;t give them the chance of participation, we will have more problems in the future. So there has to be a change.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>BBC quite happy to push the boat out to explain to us how the Youtube video &#8216;Muslim Demographics&#8217; is wrong about the threat of immigration, going so far as to place their own video on Youtube&#8230;.but here is a report from the German elections that tells us that 9% of the electorate are immigrants with of course higher concentrations in the cities( the BBC report calls Muslims &#8216;Turks&#8217; so as not to frighten you):</p>
<p><a href="http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/8271249.stm" rel="nofollow">http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/8271249.stm</a></p>
<p>It is the first time that the voter statistics have been made public.<br />
<b> &#8220;Nine per cent is a significant portion,&#8221; </b> said Andreas Wuest, project director at the Mannheim Centre for European Social Research and the only German academic who focuses on migrants as political actors<br />
&#8220;In one way or another, this share of the population can have an effect, especially in constituencies with higher levels of migrant voters, for instance in the bigger cities in the West.&#8221;<br />
So all the major political parties are fielding candidates from the <b> fast-growing migrant communities. </b><br />
There is a new leaflet out, in German and Turkish, explaining in simple language how the political system works here, and plans to publish one in Russian for the next election.<br />
One of its promoters is Gabriele Guen Tank, the commissioner for immigrants in Berlin&#8217;s Schoeneberg district.<br />
Almost half of the youngsters in Schoeneberg, she said, come from a migrant background. Soon they will be eligible to vote.<br />
&#8220;It&#8217;s a big group coming,&#8221; Ms Tank said. &#8220;And if we don&#8217;t give them the chance of participation, we will have more problems in the future. So there has to be a change.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Roley Poley Dahl</title>
		<link>http://hurryupharry.org/2009/09/25/press-tv-not-pressed/comment-page-2/#comment-392393</link>
		<dc:creator>Roley Poley Dahl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 27 Sep 2009 10:35:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Let&#039;s not be too serious about Kate Humble wearing her zipped-up fleece in the Jerusalem sun. Our Kate was clearly given this travel jolly to present as a reward for not looking like Lindsey German. However, the BBC producer should have been attempting to chase ratings, like the commercial channels. He could have made a better job of this and pulled in far more viewers by shooting Kate posing with the bikini-clad Eilat beach babes.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Let&#8217;s not be too serious about Kate Humble wearing her zipped-up fleece in the Jerusalem sun. Our Kate was clearly given this travel jolly to present as a reward for not looking like Lindsey German. However, the BBC producer should have been attempting to chase ratings, like the commercial channels. He could have made a better job of this and pulled in far more viewers by shooting Kate posing with the bikini-clad Eilat beach babes.</p>
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		<title>By: Israelinurse</title>
		<link>http://hurryupharry.org/2009/09/25/press-tv-not-pressed/comment-page-2/#comment-392390</link>
		<dc:creator>Israelinurse</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 27 Sep 2009 09:48:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Teddy Bear, Mr Gump and True Too all make valid points.  
I think we need to be really careful not to throw the term &#039;anti-Semitism&#039; around too casually when it&#039;s not justified. It is not in anyone&#039;s interests to cheapen that term. 

What we see at the BBC seems to be more related to the culture which exists in the media industry in general in this country. What is sad is that no-one seems to want to challenge that culture&#039;s pre-conceptions. 
I know that it&#039;s a pretty cut-throat industry and that particularly in times of economic instability people naturally go with what is safe, but all the same, this conservative approach is doing nothing for the industry&#039;s credibility or its future health. If all you have within your industry are a load of &#039;yes-men&#039; who carry on down the accepted route, you&#039;re going to find yourself in big trouble at some point down the line.  
There just do not seem to be many brave, innovative journalists or film-makers out there who are prepared to challenge the status quo as far as reporting on the ME is concerned. Ironically, the BBC is best placed to lead the way on this as it is financially independent, but it seems to be the most fossilised of all in its approach. I really believe that this stagnant thinking on the subject of Israel will be to the BBC&#039;s creative detriment in the long run.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Teddy Bear, Mr Gump and True Too all make valid points.<br />
I think we need to be really careful not to throw the term &#8216;anti-Semitism&#8217; around too casually when it&#8217;s not justified. It is not in anyone&#8217;s interests to cheapen that term. </p>
<p>What we see at the BBC seems to be more related to the culture which exists in the media industry in general in this country. What is sad is that no-one seems to want to challenge that culture&#8217;s pre-conceptions.<br />
I know that it&#8217;s a pretty cut-throat industry and that particularly in times of economic instability people naturally go with what is safe, but all the same, this conservative approach is doing nothing for the industry&#8217;s credibility or its future health. If all you have within your industry are a load of &#8216;yes-men&#8217; who carry on down the accepted route, you&#8217;re going to find yourself in big trouble at some point down the line.<br />
There just do not seem to be many brave, innovative journalists or film-makers out there who are prepared to challenge the status quo as far as reporting on the ME is concerned. Ironically, the BBC is best placed to lead the way on this as it is financially independent, but it seems to be the most fossilised of all in its approach. I really believe that this stagnant thinking on the subject of Israel will be to the BBC&#8217;s creative detriment in the long run.</p>
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		<title>By: Israelinurse</title>
		<link>http://hurryupharry.org/2009/09/25/press-tv-not-pressed/comment-page-2/#comment-392391</link>
		<dc:creator>Israelinurse</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 27 Sep 2009 09:48:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Teddy Bear, Mr Gump and True Too all make valid points.  
I think we need to be really careful not to throw the term &#039;anti-Semitism&#039; around too casually when it&#039;s not justified. It is not in anyone&#039;s interests to cheapen that term. 

What we see at the BBC seems to be more related to the culture which exists in the media industry in general in this country. What is sad is that no-one seems to want to challenge that culture&#039;s pre-conceptions. 
I know that it&#039;s a pretty cut-throat industry and that particularly in times of economic instability people naturally go with what is safe, but all the same, this conservative approach is doing nothing for the industry&#039;s credibility or its future health. If all you have within your industry are a load of &#039;yes-men&#039; who carry on down the accepted route, you&#039;re going to find yourself in big trouble at some point down the line.  
There just do not seem to be many brave, innovative journalists or film-makers out there who are prepared to challenge the status quo as far as reporting on the ME is concerned. Ironically, the BBC is best placed to lead the way on this as it is financially independent, but it seems to be the most fossilised of all in its approach. I really believe that this stagnant thinking on the subject of Israel will be to the BBC&#039;s creative detriment in the long run.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Teddy Bear, Mr Gump and True Too all make valid points.<br />
I think we need to be really careful not to throw the term &#8216;anti-Semitism&#8217; around too casually when it&#8217;s not justified. It is not in anyone&#8217;s interests to cheapen that term. </p>
<p>What we see at the BBC seems to be more related to the culture which exists in the media industry in general in this country. What is sad is that no-one seems to want to challenge that culture&#8217;s pre-conceptions.<br />
I know that it&#8217;s a pretty cut-throat industry and that particularly in times of economic instability people naturally go with what is safe, but all the same, this conservative approach is doing nothing for the industry&#8217;s credibility or its future health. If all you have within your industry are a load of &#8216;yes-men&#8217; who carry on down the accepted route, you&#8217;re going to find yourself in big trouble at some point down the line.<br />
There just do not seem to be many brave, innovative journalists or film-makers out there who are prepared to challenge the status quo as far as reporting on the ME is concerned. Ironically, the BBC is best placed to lead the way on this as it is financially independent, but it seems to be the most fossilised of all in its approach. I really believe that this stagnant thinking on the subject of Israel will be to the BBC&#8217;s creative detriment in the long run.</p>
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		<title>By: Good news?</title>
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		<dc:creator>Good news?</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 27 Sep 2009 08:13:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Iran&#039;s state-run al-Alam and Press TV channels said on Sunday that the short-range missiles test-fired during military exercises were of Tondar-69 and Fateh-110 type.&quot; 

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/8277040.stm

Maybe someone at the BBC reads Harry&#039;s Place?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Iran&#8217;s state-run al-Alam and Press TV channels said on Sunday that the short-range missiles test-fired during military exercises were of Tondar-69 and Fateh-110 type.&#8221; </p>
<p><a href="http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/8277040.stm" rel="nofollow">http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/8277040.stm</a></p>
<p>Maybe someone at the BBC reads Harry&#8217;s Place?</p>
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		<title>By: TrueToo</title>
		<link>http://hurryupharry.org/2009/09/25/press-tv-not-pressed/comment-page-2/#comment-392367</link>
		<dc:creator>TrueToo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 27 Sep 2009 06:42:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;d like to qualify the sweeping statement I made at 9:45 pm yesterday: 

&lt;i&gt;This singling out of the Jewish state is indeed anti-Semitism.&lt;/i&gt;

It&#039;s fairer to say it could be or is likely to be anti-Semitism. It is equally likely to be a journalist simply falling into line with the fashionable and unthinking anti-Israel mode of reporting rife in left wing media circles.

Sometimes, however, it does appear that BBC journalists are straining at the leash to write the most stinging criticism of Israel they can get away with. Is &lt;i&gt;that&lt;/i&gt; anti-Semitism? Probably. It also could be an  overpowering need to come out of the closet and show one&#039;s proud lefty credentials as an unwavering supporter of the poor, downtrodden Palestinians.

Whatever the case, BBC reporting on the Israeli-Arab conflict is abysmal.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;d like to qualify the sweeping statement I made at 9:45 pm yesterday: </p>
<p><i>This singling out of the Jewish state is indeed anti-Semitism.</i></p>
<p>It&#8217;s fairer to say it could be or is likely to be anti-Semitism. It is equally likely to be a journalist simply falling into line with the fashionable and unthinking anti-Israel mode of reporting rife in left wing media circles.</p>
<p>Sometimes, however, it does appear that BBC journalists are straining at the leash to write the most stinging criticism of Israel they can get away with. Is <i>that</i> anti-Semitism? Probably. It also could be an  overpowering need to come out of the closet and show one&#8217;s proud lefty credentials as an unwavering supporter of the poor, downtrodden Palestinians.</p>
<p>Whatever the case, BBC reporting on the Israeli-Arab conflict is abysmal.</p>
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		<title>By: Mr Gump</title>
		<link>http://hurryupharry.org/2009/09/25/press-tv-not-pressed/comment-page-1/#comment-392365</link>
		<dc:creator>Mr Gump</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 27 Sep 2009 06:05:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks Israelinurse, I accept your point to some extent, but I think my reaction was more or less instantaneous and is indicative of a certain problem that the BBC has in its coverage of the Middle East.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks Israelinurse, I accept your point to some extent, but I think my reaction was more or less instantaneous and is indicative of a certain problem that the BBC has in its coverage of the Middle East.</p>
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		<title>By: Teddy Bear</title>
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		<dc:creator>Teddy Bear</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 26 Sep 2009 23:34:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>After years of monitoring BBC bias, I can say with certainty that certain types of their bias is purposeful with the intention of fulfilling an agenda. Other less important topics fit in to a &#039;leftwing&#039; mindset and can be regarded as accidental. The former would entail appeasement of Islamic regimes. One reason that the BBC invests so much energy in doing so is that they need these regimes to &#039;accept&#039; them in order to ensure their status as &#039;the world&#039;s media organisation. The fact that the BBC mandate requires them to be balanced and unbiased makes any purposeful distortion of facts less likely to be argued, thus increasing its value to the mostly despotic regimes that the BBC serves. 

This is not to say that the majority of BBC journalists are necessarily &#039;in&#039; on this deception, but their very mindset makes it easy for the BBC hierarchy to steer them in the &#039;right&#039; direction, and will tolerate wilful abuse of facts to maintain their mindset rather than attempt to be balanced.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>After years of monitoring BBC bias, I can say with certainty that certain types of their bias is purposeful with the intention of fulfilling an agenda. Other less important topics fit in to a &#8216;leftwing&#8217; mindset and can be regarded as accidental. The former would entail appeasement of Islamic regimes. One reason that the BBC invests so much energy in doing so is that they need these regimes to &#8216;accept&#8217; them in order to ensure their status as &#8216;the world&#8217;s media organisation. The fact that the BBC mandate requires them to be balanced and unbiased makes any purposeful distortion of facts less likely to be argued, thus increasing its value to the mostly despotic regimes that the BBC serves. </p>
<p>This is not to say that the majority of BBC journalists are necessarily &#8216;in&#8217; on this deception, but their very mindset makes it easy for the BBC hierarchy to steer them in the &#8216;right&#8217; direction, and will tolerate wilful abuse of facts to maintain their mindset rather than attempt to be balanced.</p>
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