Huh?

calm down and lets just remain focused on the subject of this thread.

Which is whether the US right went bonkers or not and whether to assume Charles Johnsons rants as evidence.

Would you please?

Pristina is one thing – you obviously have an ‘h’ on your keyboard. Then your support for Gorin and her crowd of Serb nationalist atrocity deniers. Things like that.

Can you read?

Better than you can recognize evidence.

You think Serb civilians did not suffer?

Of course they did. I’ve seen plenty of victims.

Or all Serbs supported the regime?

You evidently don’t read my posts.

You are falling into the conflict and refuse to see that beyond the slogans and flags there are people.

Having spent time in refugee camps and seen plenty of wartime suffering, this is as offensive and it is ridiculous. It is you who stand by and flag wave for the genocide deniers.

It is a lot more complicated.

Oh, really? No different from any other imperial squabble, Cyprus, or Yugoslavia included, complete with international settlement.

This is, I take it some kind of ad hominem designed to show your support for Serbian occupation. Prishtina is an ordinary surname; kindly use it.”

Huh?

no way, sorry for the misspell

But “occupation” is hardly the definition of 700 years isn’t it?
It is a old conflict and I wish Kosovars well. I also hope that the Serbs who remained there can also live in peace. After all they have been there for 700 years. Hardly what one may call “occupiers”.

Why are you so keen in trying to portray me as some Serb apologist?

Can you read?

I never said all sides were equivalent in aspects other than suffering. What I said was they were all responsible to VARYING degrees of this mess. I stand by that statement.

You think Serb civilians did not suffer?
Or all Serbs supported the regime? Have you seen the desertions to Hungary, Italy and Romania by Serb men and boys sick of Milosevic’s turncoat nationalism and fearing to be enlisted and sent to Bosnia when all they wanted was to have a life?

You are falling into the conflict and refuse to see that beyond the slogans and flags there are people.

And sure. Greeks and Turks are at each others’ throats and in Cyprus it is tribal madness.
And I never said “tribal savages”. You may have felt that implied when I compared Bosnia to Africa.

It seems it is you who may harbor some racist tendencies.

Look at what was the Belgian Congo and its former constituent nations; Rwanda, Burundi, DemREp of Congo. Not that different from Yugoslavia. Tribes, Empires, artificial borders, and ethnic conflict with considerable foreign meddling. .
All this producing wars and atrocities where at the end the leaders shake hands, toast to peace in Paris or Geneva, on the heaping pile of mutilated bodies and burned villages. It is always the same. And yes for those around Yugoslavia, the judgment was: “stay the hell out”.
As for Turkey vs Greece. It is a lot more complicated.
Turkey was an Empire when Greece broke off.
Hardly a tribal event. But I am sure both had their little hands in Bosnia, as did the Germans, the Russians and others with their own geo-political agendas. Not like we haven’t seen that before in WWI WWII.

I’ve shown evidence of a party rejected by Wilders (already shown here), that uses the Odinic Cross amongst its members (already shown here), that dresses up its youth just like the Hitler Youth (already shown here), whose then vice-president denied the Holocaust and called Anne Frank’s diary a fraud, that has plenty of nazi fans on Stormfront (already shown here), of which Antwerp’s Jews are very much afraid (already shown here), and whose support is withering among non-racists anxious to defend Flemish interests and concerned with Islamic immigration.

If you find nothing here that reeks of Nazism, you are: a) totally unaware of European politics (this I doubt); or b) arguing in bad faith – your “failure” to find atrocity denial in plainly denialist pieces is evidence here; or c) either too close to or anxious to hide your own sympathies to all the traits exhibited here. This of course does not exclude b) + c).

You will have to repeat yourself until you find evidence, just as real life as the articles, documents and photos I’ve shown you, that would show a reasonable person that the VB has nothing to do with racism. Until then, the weight of evidence is, as it has often been in Belgium’s courts, against Dewinter’s gang of racists.

In essence what the Obama team consists of are the aged 60s radicals who have shed their hair and communist manifestos and anti-American ideology for corporate or academic careers and have resurfaced in government.

Let me get this straight: if you are formed by ex-Nazis, have ex-Waffen SS members among your members and host European-wide Nazi meetings less than a month ago, and receive wide far-right support there is no evidence that you are now racists and “All parties have skeletons and secrets.” But if there are one or two members of an administration who once knew people who had ties to communists, then “They need to be exposed just like anybody else needs exposing with a shady past.” Hmm.

Now he will be a 1 termer short of a miracle, and Sarah Palin is likely to run a successful campaign for 2012.
Just like there would have been no Reagan landslide had there not been a Carter, whomever succeeding Obama will be to the right of what McCain ever was.

I now realize there may be another alternative; you’re completely divorced from reality. Go Quitter in 2012!

This is, I take it some kind of ad hominem designed to show your support for Serbian occupation. Prishtina is an ordinary surname; kindly use it.

However, there was a negligence by media toward the suffering of Serbs, being labeled as the “perpetrators” whereas Croats and Muslims got the “victim” label.

No, to a great extent, the Serbs got the label of perpetrators because that is what they were. It was the Serbian administration and its allies that planned and executed the violent destruction of Bosnia, and attempted to destroy Croatia and Kosova. This is not the opinion of the media alone, but of the bulk of scholars and jurists working in this field, serious Serbian academic experts not excepted.

Like I said all sides committed morbid acts there and nobody in their right mind would deny that.

Like I said, you are seeking to portray them as equivalent. In fact, in all cases (with some Croatian exceptions), it was hugely one-sided.

That is where Gorin and Trifcovich and others are coming from. Geller has no expertise in this matter, and never pretended to. She mostly used the writings of Pallazi (Muslim), Gorin, Kuntzel (a real terror expert) in reference to examining the presence of Jihad and JIhadis in Bosnia.

And this “redress” comes about by articles that, among other things, suggest having a party weekend to celebrate the “fiction” of the Muslim dead of Srebrenica, claiming Albanians were ethnically cleansing Detroit, denying the camps at Omarska, the massacres at Reçak, Suha Reka and Cuska; all opinions shared by extreme nationalist denialists. True balance requires the forensic and disinterested quest for the truth; Gorin does not know, and cares a great deal less, whether what she has to say bares any relation whatever anything that remotely resembles historical, anthropological or sociological fact. (I do note, however, that she describes Kosova as under Islamist influence because of the arrival there of jihadists recruited and trained in the USA. So, Kosova is jihadi because it is the victim of Islamist terrorists from the States. You know it makes sense). Julia Gorin is not a serious scholar but a writer of sensationalist para-history. Should she ever, and I doubt she is capable, set aside her work for taqiyya merchants and produce work of equivalent scholarly value, publishable in a scholarly journal, I will take her seriously. Otherwise, she is a racist hack who trades on fear.

The fact that Trifković’s work on the former Yugoslavia was ever published in the Western media nails the lie of its bias. Either that or Western journalists are incredibly lazy. His site Serbianna is one of the largest resources of atrocity and genocide denial on the web.

She mostly used the writings of Pallazi (Muslim), Gorin, Kuntzel (a real terror expert) in reference to examining the presence of Jihad and JIhadis in Bosnia.

Palazzi is, as his name suggests, an Italian. He is also of Syrian descent and studied in Rome and Cairo. His concern is overwhelmingly with Italy and the Middle East, and I have very little on which to disagree with him. He does not, however, claim any expertise on the Balkans, even on the practise of Islam there.

Matthias Küntzel is an expert on anti-semitism, particularly with regard to the Middle East. Again, he claims no expertise on the Balkans. If you want to read an expert on the Balkans, read Norbert Mappes-Niedeck’s unrivalled ‘Balkan-Mafia Staaten in der Hand des Verbrechens – Eine Gefahr für Europa.’

Were Gorin to be claiming expertise on the Balkans, or even Balkan Islam, based on the work of either Palazzi or Küntzel, this would suggest that she was quoting them on areas on which they do not have special knowledge and passing them off as regional specialists. To a serious writer on the subject, this would be fraudulent.

To me, they are all people and contrary to your assertion I do not hold them, or Africans, in contempt.

As I said, dismissing people, white or black, as tribal savages, and all sides as equal, avoids having to examine the actual situation or the justice or otherwise of anyone’s case. It’s all “ancient hatreds” and we need not bother ourselves about boring things like human rights. Whether you state this about Africans or Europeans, it is still simplistic, essentializing and racist.

Or let’s put it this way: “Turks and Greeks have been at each throats for centuries. They’re all savages and it would only cause more bloodshed if the Turks were forced to withdraw from Cyprus. After all, they intervened to protect their people from the depradations of fascists in Athens and Nicosia. What sort of precedent would such intervention bring, including the humiliation of a valuable US ally? Much better that the Greeks get over it.”

Or like this: “Jews and Muslims have been at war for generations and there have been atrocities on both sides. Why support and arm Israel if all it’s going to do is continue their eternal feud with their Arab cousins? What does the US have to gain when its vital supplies are in question?”

Or this: “Just because Yugoslavs are white, makes their tribalism no less contemptible than that of Africans who also chop each other to pieces for tribal reasons.”

As I said, simplistic, essentializing and racist.

Gellers MO is fighting Jihad not to fight the ethnic wars in the Balkans.

Why then has she adopted the denialist position of a few far-right extremists? Would she not do better to stop repeating racist canards and produce work that stood up to withstained scrutiny?

Incidentally, while you are indulging yourself in your preferred atrocity deniers, you may like to think about the country that is Serbia’s strongest friend in the Middle East. It’s Islamic Republic of Iran. After the Serbian-Iranian security agreement signed in 2006, came Serbia’s vocalsupport for Iran’s human rights record at the UN.

The thirtieth anniversary of the Islamic republic was celebrated in Belgrade City Hall in February, the largest official celebration in Europe. In March we learn that:

http://www.iran-daily.com/1387/3356/pdf/i2.pdf

The foreign policy commissions of the Iranian and Serbian parliaments enjoy close relations and promotion of bilateral ties would be of interest to both nations [prior to a joint trade deal signed in June], he [Iranian Foreign Minister Manouchehr Mottaki] noted.

[T]he ongoing international financial crisis offers an opportunity for the two countries to further promote ties in key areas, he added.
Meanwhile the Serbian parliament speaker said Tehran-Belgrade cooperation have [sic] paved the way for further expansion of bilateral ties in all fields.

Out of interest, the statement released on signing the statement in June said “Serbia and Iran will certainly want to increase and deepen ties with Iran’s military industry and security policies.”

In yet more bilateral talks with Serbian Foreign Minister Vuk Jeremić, Mottaki averred that “[The] presence of Israeli and US forces in Georgia during the past year was an indication to existence [sic] of an organized conspiracy by the outside powers to damage regional peace and security.” Jeremić has made no attempt to distance the Serbian government from this position.

Amen…..( I too believe in evolution…and the mental disintegration of Johnson)

He banned me for a polite, nuanced and diplomatic disagreement in regards to the Rifqa Bary case. I merely suggested that perhaps this girl should be left alone for a few months until she turns 18 and not be forced back home so that way nobody (Muslims or Anti-Muslims) can keep scoring points.

Banned by the little green tyrant. Like the kid you used to play with in the sandpit.

“If you park your tonka there, I take all my toys home and this is my sandpit so you go home or my mom will kick your ass”

Who exactly invaded Serbia during the conflict?

I gather you’re in a bad mood but it still might be interesting to know what your argument is. You do have one?