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		<title>By: David All</title>
		<link>http://hurryupharry.org/2009/09/19/gradations-of-sense-at-for-news/comment-page-2/#comment-390586</link>
		<dc:creator>David All</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Sep 2009 00:44:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Glenn Beck says that John McCain would have been worse President than either Hillary Clinton or Barack Obama. See clip at http://www.cbsnews.com/video/watch/?id=5328039n&amp;tag=stack</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Glenn Beck says that John McCain would have been worse President than either Hillary Clinton or Barack Obama. See clip at <a href="http://www.cbsnews.com/video/watch/?id=5328039n&amp;tag=stack" rel="nofollow">http://www.cbsnews.com/video/watch/?id=5328039n&amp;tag=stack</a></p>
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		<title>By: EscapeVelocity</title>
		<link>http://hurryupharry.org/2009/09/19/gradations-of-sense-at-for-news/comment-page-2/#comment-390432</link>
		<dc:creator>EscapeVelocity</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Sep 2009 15:09:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bill OReilly is a Blue Dog, not because of his one position on Health Care Public Options....but over a broad range of issues.  He comes from modest Catholic backround and it shows.  

Obama however is definitely a New Left Radical.  He has surrounded himself with same throughout his life.  His policy initiatives both foreign and especially domestic are ambitious Leftism.  That he realizes the necessity of centrist rhetoric and compromise, doesnt change his politics.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bill OReilly is a Blue Dog, not because of his one position on Health Care Public Options&#8230;.but over a broad range of issues.  He comes from modest Catholic backround and it shows.  </p>
<p>Obama however is definitely a New Left Radical.  He has surrounded himself with same throughout his life.  His policy initiatives both foreign and especially domestic are ambitious Leftism.  That he realizes the necessity of centrist rhetoric and compromise, doesnt change his politics.</p>
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		<title>By: EV Redux</title>
		<link>http://hurryupharry.org/2009/09/19/gradations-of-sense-at-for-news/comment-page-2/#comment-390429</link>
		<dc:creator>EV Redux</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Sep 2009 15:03:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Media in the USA a free market venture. FOX does a great job tapping a market that is undeserved. It was an upstart venture way behind CNN. CNN offered more of the same and failed to deliver a unique reason for the viewers to tune in.

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While Fox certainly did come in a swoop the giant market that was being grossly underserved....Rupert Murdoch made his fortune on this strategy across the West.

CNN however was a Maverick and different entity than the rest of the US Television News orgs (emphasis on the WAS).  They created a worldwide network of journalists, perhaps even better than the BBC and could put a camera where the action was, very fast.  Furthermore they were not located out of New York.....but Atlanta, and therefore had a distinct personality, different from the Leftwing New York Snob crowd.  Although they were still largely Leftish in their bias.  They had a Southern bias that could be seen in reportage of stories that would never have been covered by the New England set.

However, CNN has fallen greatly under poor management by Time Warner AOL....which was a dissaster for the company and Ted Turner.  AOL finally left that bad marriage.   You can still see glimpses of CNN&#039;s soul in coverage of Southern arts and culture....that would mostly be sneered at by the New York set.  But its lost its advantage in global coverage.

That being said, its still better than any of the others in the US, for example they covered ACORN more than anyone but Fox.  Hardly a tour de force of coverage...but still...putting the others to shame.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Media in the USA a free market venture. FOX does a great job tapping a market that is undeserved. It was an upstart venture way behind CNN. CNN offered more of the same and failed to deliver a unique reason for the viewers to tune in.</p>
<p>&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;-</p>
<p>While Fox certainly did come in a swoop the giant market that was being grossly underserved&#8230;.Rupert Murdoch made his fortune on this strategy across the West.</p>
<p>CNN however was a Maverick and different entity than the rest of the US Television News orgs (emphasis on the WAS).  They created a worldwide network of journalists, perhaps even better than the BBC and could put a camera where the action was, very fast.  Furthermore they were not located out of New York&#8230;..but Atlanta, and therefore had a distinct personality, different from the Leftwing New York Snob crowd.  Although they were still largely Leftish in their bias.  They had a Southern bias that could be seen in reportage of stories that would never have been covered by the New England set.</p>
<p>However, CNN has fallen greatly under poor management by Time Warner AOL&#8230;.which was a dissaster for the company and Ted Turner.  AOL finally left that bad marriage.   You can still see glimpses of CNN&#8217;s soul in coverage of Southern arts and culture&#8230;.that would mostly be sneered at by the New York set.  But its lost its advantage in global coverage.</p>
<p>That being said, its still better than any of the others in the US, for example they covered ACORN more than anyone but Fox.  Hardly a tour de force of coverage&#8230;but still&#8230;putting the others to shame.</p>
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		<title>By: Der Whigphilosophie der Geschichte</title>
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		<dc:creator>Der Whigphilosophie der Geschichte</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Sep 2009 09:26:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Beakerkin, as one of the self-proclaimed UK experts on Fox News, let me assure you that I used to watch O&#039;Reilly regularly.  The comedy value of both him and Fox News is attributable to precisely what you have described - the condescending arrogance of the ignorant passing judgment.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Beakerkin, as one of the self-proclaimed UK experts on Fox News, let me assure you that I used to watch O&#8217;Reilly regularly.  The comedy value of both him and Fox News is attributable to precisely what you have described &#8211; the condescending arrogance of the ignorant passing judgment.</p>
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		<title>By: Felix (Italy)</title>
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		<dc:creator>Felix (Italy)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Sep 2009 08:29:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks Gene and Anaximander
I just need a bit of a break and some fresh air.

Mesquito, I have never accused you of racism, and the thought of doing so has never entered my mind. Some of my remarks in letters are of a general nature and don&#039;t any longer concern the person I&#039;m writing to. 

My remark about, the a Americans wanting to kill this &#039;nigger&#039; came just after I had seen a whole series of horrendous youtube clips with insane murderous attacks on Obama. In any case, the Obama ghoul figure often comes up on these threads, instead of dealing rationally, for example with what he says in his speeches, pro or contra, O.K., but based on the actual words.

Some said they hadn&#039;t listened to his speech, others that two minutes was enough. O.K. look at the words used in those two minutes and tell us precisely what you don&#039;t like about them. I have no doubt that many are so loaded with prejudice in advance, that
even if Obama made one of the most pertinent and inspiring speeches in history, the reactions would have been the same.

This is an example of a general reflection not directed at you, Mesquito. But I still find you and others evasive. The more interesting and relevant points I and some others make (first two paragraphs in my last letter) are ignored and we go back to childish personal battles and insults. (Admittedly I was guilty above, in a fit and throwing pots and pans in all directions) O.K., these are part of the game on HP which has taught me to indulge in them myself.

Maybe I should become an Olympian, stop the personal attacks, and and stick to the arguments. See you (all) later after a rest.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks Gene and Anaximander<br />
I just need a bit of a break and some fresh air.</p>
<p>Mesquito, I have never accused you of racism, and the thought of doing so has never entered my mind. Some of my remarks in letters are of a general nature and don&#8217;t any longer concern the person I&#8217;m writing to. </p>
<p>My remark about, the a Americans wanting to kill this &#8216;nigger&#8217; came just after I had seen a whole series of horrendous youtube clips with insane murderous attacks on Obama. In any case, the Obama ghoul figure often comes up on these threads, instead of dealing rationally, for example with what he says in his speeches, pro or contra, O.K., but based on the actual words.</p>
<p>Some said they hadn&#8217;t listened to his speech, others that two minutes was enough. O.K. look at the words used in those two minutes and tell us precisely what you don&#8217;t like about them. I have no doubt that many are so loaded with prejudice in advance, that<br />
even if Obama made one of the most pertinent and inspiring speeches in history, the reactions would have been the same.</p>
<p>This is an example of a general reflection not directed at you, Mesquito. But I still find you and others evasive. The more interesting and relevant points I and some others make (first two paragraphs in my last letter) are ignored and we go back to childish personal battles and insults. (Admittedly I was guilty above, in a fit and throwing pots and pans in all directions) O.K., these are part of the game on HP which has taught me to indulge in them myself.</p>
<p>Maybe I should become an Olympian, stop the personal attacks, and and stick to the arguments. See you (all) later after a rest.</p>
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		<title>By: Grim</title>
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		<dc:creator>Grim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Sep 2009 04:04:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Interesting stuff about Beck.  I hope his prominence leads to some acceptance for Mormon&#039;s in America.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Interesting stuff about Beck.  I hope his prominence leads to some acceptance for Mormon&#8217;s in America.</p>
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		<title>By: Anaximanders other sandal</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anaximanders other sandal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Sep 2009 21:23:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;And I hope Felix will stay with us and resume commenting shortly&quot;

Me too. I like reading Felix comments.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;And I hope Felix will stay with us and resume commenting shortly&#8221;</p>
<p>Me too. I like reading Felix comments.</p>
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		<title>By: mesquito</title>
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		<dc:creator>mesquito</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Sep 2009 21:19:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;em&gt;Have you ever, to your knowledge, lost an argument with a leftist?&lt;/em&gt;

Sure, Gene.  Have you ever dishonestly accused anyone of being a racist?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>Have you ever, to your knowledge, lost an argument with a leftist?</em></p>
<p>Sure, Gene.  Have you ever dishonestly accused anyone of being a racist?</p>
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		<title>By: Gene</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gene</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Sep 2009 21:14:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;I discovered long ago that I was going to be accused of racism every single time I started winning arguments with Leftists.&lt;/i&gt;

Have you ever, to your knowledge, lost an argument with a leftist?

And I hope Felix will stay with us and resume commenting shortly.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>I discovered long ago that I was going to be accused of racism every single time I started winning arguments with Leftists.</i></p>
<p>Have you ever, to your knowledge, lost an argument with a leftist?</p>
<p>And I hope Felix will stay with us and resume commenting shortly.</p>
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		<title>By: mesquito</title>
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		<dc:creator>mesquito</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Sep 2009 20:36:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;em&gt;Mnay letters like yours are charcterised by evasiveness, avoiding what is pertinent, everyone sticks to their hobby.horse at all costs, no listening to others, no reasoning, only puerile attacks which don’t lead the argument any further. 
***
I don’t give a fuck whether voodoo was practised in Kenya: yoiu know exactly what I mean.
*****
Recognisable in the Obama hysteria is the blood sacrifice of the idol. Many Americans, including some of those who previously supported him, are out to kill this ‘nigger.’


&lt;/em&gt;

And many letters like yours are characterised by smarmy, abhorrent, and dishonest attributions of racism where none exists, purely for political adavantage.  I don&#039;t play that way, Felix.  I discovered long ago that I was going to be accused of racism every single time I started winning arguments with Leftists.  Naturally, this happens a lot, and I am utterly inured to the low tactic.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>Mnay letters like yours are charcterised by evasiveness, avoiding what is pertinent, everyone sticks to their hobby.horse at all costs, no listening to others, no reasoning, only puerile attacks which don’t lead the argument any further.<br />
***<br />
I don’t give a fuck whether voodoo was practised in Kenya: yoiu know exactly what I mean.<br />
*****<br />
Recognisable in the Obama hysteria is the blood sacrifice of the idol. Many Americans, including some of those who previously supported him, are out to kill this ‘nigger.’</p>
<p></em></p>
<p>And many letters like yours are characterised by smarmy, abhorrent, and dishonest attributions of racism where none exists, purely for political adavantage.  I don&#8217;t play that way, Felix.  I discovered long ago that I was going to be accused of racism every single time I started winning arguments with Leftists.  Naturally, this happens a lot, and I am utterly inured to the low tactic.</p>
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