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	<description>Liberty, if it means anything, is the right to tell people what they don&#039;t want to hear</description>
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		<title>By: comstock</title>
		<link>http://hurryupharry.org/2009/09/10/two-things-i-didnt-know/comment-page-1/#comment-387974</link>
		<dc:creator>comstock</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Sep 2009 10:10:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>“Texting while driving is hardly crime of the century ”
This is why loads of Pakistanis are run down like dogs everyday in Pakistan. If Gordon Brown killed a person on the road to Islamabad the crowd would gather kick him and beat him with rocks until the brains spilled out1</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>“Texting while driving is hardly crime of the century ”<br />
This is why loads of Pakistanis are run down like dogs everyday in Pakistan. If Gordon Brown killed a person on the road to Islamabad the crowd would gather kick him and beat him with rocks until the brains spilled out1</p>
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		<title>By: Jonathan S</title>
		<link>http://hurryupharry.org/2009/09/10/two-things-i-didnt-know/comment-page-1/#comment-387828</link>
		<dc:creator>Jonathan S</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Sep 2009 17:52:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ahmed only cares about &#039;community cohesion&#039; when it suits him. It is his pathetically thinly disguised way of threatening to whip up mass (probably violent) rebellion to whatever it is he disagrees with. As shown with the Pollard article, he is not in the least bit bothered about offending British Jews, possibly because we&#039;re not in the habit of carrying out violent or extremist popular rebellion to such things.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ahmed only cares about &#8216;community cohesion&#8217; when it suits him. It is his pathetically thinly disguised way of threatening to whip up mass (probably violent) rebellion to whatever it is he disagrees with. As shown with the Pollard article, he is not in the least bit bothered about offending British Jews, possibly because we&#8217;re not in the habit of carrying out violent or extremist popular rebellion to such things.</p>
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		<title>By: Joshua</title>
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		<dc:creator>Joshua</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Sep 2009 17:15:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s a great shame that Lord Ahmed cares a lot less about the feelings of the Jewish community in the UK. From Stephen Pollard&#039;s blog back in 2005:

&#039;On February 23, Lord Ahmed hosted a book launch in the House of Lords for a man going by the name of Israel Shamir. “Israel Shamir” is, in fact, a Swedish-domiciled anti-Semite also known as Jöran Jermas.

The gist of Shamir/Jermas’s speech at the meeting can be gleaned from its title, “Jews and the Empire”. It included observations such as: “All the (political) parties are Zionist-infiltrated.” “Your newspapers belong to Zionists . . . Jews indeed own, control and edit a big share of mass media, this mainstay of Imperial thinking.” “In the Middle East we have just one reason for wars, terror and trouble — and that is Jewish supremacy drive . . . in Iraq, the US and its British dependency continue the same old fight for ensuring Jewish supremacy in the Middle East.” “The Jews like an Empire . . . This love of Empire explains the easiness Jews change their allegiance . . . Simple minds call it ‘treacherous behaviour’, but it is actually love of Empire per se.” “Now, there is a large and thriving Muslim community in England . . . they are now on the side of freedom, against the Empire, and they are not afraid of enforcers of Judaic values, Jewish or Gentile. This community is very important in order to turn the tide.” &#039;

Pollard adds the following:

&#039;If, however, Lord Ahmed does feel that he made a mistake in inviting him, he has yet to demonstrate it. Shamir/Jermas’s speech was made nearly two months ago. On learning of its contents, I wrote to Lord Ahmed, asking him two questions. Did he consider the invitation to have been a mistake? Did he condemn the remarks? He did not reply.

Yesterday, I phoned him. When I told him that I planned to write a piece drawing attention to his actions in hosting Shamir/Jermas and that I wanted to give him every opportunity to respond, he replied: “I am not even going to speak with you.” He then put the phone down.&#039;

http://www.stephenpollard.net/002084.html

In January of this year, David T wrote this about the same incident:

&#039;Although Lord Ahmed’s co-operation with this extreme racist was widely reported, he did nothing to distance himself from “Israel Shamir”.

There were no meetings with whips or leaders.

There were no demonstrations.

The meeting was not cancelled.&#039;

http://tinyurl.com/c5jk4s</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s a great shame that Lord Ahmed cares a lot less about the feelings of the Jewish community in the UK. From Stephen Pollard&#8217;s blog back in 2005:</p>
<p>&#8216;On February 23, Lord Ahmed hosted a book launch in the House of Lords for a man going by the name of Israel Shamir. “Israel Shamir” is, in fact, a Swedish-domiciled anti-Semite also known as Jöran Jermas.</p>
<p>The gist of Shamir/Jermas’s speech at the meeting can be gleaned from its title, “Jews and the Empire”. It included observations such as: “All the (political) parties are Zionist-infiltrated.” “Your newspapers belong to Zionists . . . Jews indeed own, control and edit a big share of mass media, this mainstay of Imperial thinking.” “In the Middle East we have just one reason for wars, terror and trouble — and that is Jewish supremacy drive . . . in Iraq, the US and its British dependency continue the same old fight for ensuring Jewish supremacy in the Middle East.” “The Jews like an Empire . . . This love of Empire explains the easiness Jews change their allegiance . . . Simple minds call it ‘treacherous behaviour’, but it is actually love of Empire per se.” “Now, there is a large and thriving Muslim community in England . . . they are now on the side of freedom, against the Empire, and they are not afraid of enforcers of Judaic values, Jewish or Gentile. This community is very important in order to turn the tide.” &#8216;</p>
<p>Pollard adds the following:</p>
<p>&#8216;If, however, Lord Ahmed does feel that he made a mistake in inviting him, he has yet to demonstrate it. Shamir/Jermas’s speech was made nearly two months ago. On learning of its contents, I wrote to Lord Ahmed, asking him two questions. Did he consider the invitation to have been a mistake? Did he condemn the remarks? He did not reply.</p>
<p>Yesterday, I phoned him. When I told him that I planned to write a piece drawing attention to his actions in hosting Shamir/Jermas and that I wanted to give him every opportunity to respond, he replied: “I am not even going to speak with you.” He then put the phone down.&#8217;</p>
<p><a href="http://www.stephenpollard.net/002084.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.stephenpollard.net/002084.html</a></p>
<p>In January of this year, David T wrote this about the same incident:</p>
<p>&#8216;Although Lord Ahmed’s co-operation with this extreme racist was widely reported, he did nothing to distance himself from “Israel Shamir”.</p>
<p>There were no meetings with whips or leaders.</p>
<p>There were no demonstrations.</p>
<p>The meeting was not cancelled.&#8217;</p>
<p><a href="http://tinyurl.com/c5jk4s" rel="nofollow">http://tinyurl.com/c5jk4s</a></p>
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		<title>By: qo'bblers</title>
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		<dc:creator>qo'bblers</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Sep 2009 16:01:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>SueR,

The death and the text-driving were unrelated.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>SueR,</p>
<p>The death and the text-driving were unrelated.</p>
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		<title>By: Sue R</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sue R</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Sep 2009 15:54:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>qo&#039;bblers is talking cobblers.  I don&#039;t think causing anyone death for whatever reason is trivial.  Does he text while driving?  If not, why not?  I wouldn&#039;t say it was anti-muslim bigotry to take an interest in this aspect of Lord Ahmed&#039;s driving, I would say it was anti-social to do it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>qo&#8217;bblers is talking cobblers.  I don&#8217;t think causing anyone death for whatever reason is trivial.  Does he text while driving?  If not, why not?  I wouldn&#8217;t say it was anti-muslim bigotry to take an interest in this aspect of Lord Ahmed&#8217;s driving, I would say it was anti-social to do it.</p>
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		<title>By: David T</title>
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		<dc:creator>David T</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Sep 2009 15:30:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks David

As always, a mine of useful political information!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks David</p>
<p>As always, a mine of useful political information!</p>
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		<title>By: qo'bblers</title>
		<link>http://hurryupharry.org/2009/09/10/two-things-i-didnt-know/comment-page-1/#comment-387470</link>
		<dc:creator>qo'bblers</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Sep 2009 15:18:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I didn&#039;t say it was trivial expat, what I said was it isn&#039;t crime of the century.

Of all the charges that can be laid against Lord Ahmed&#039;s door, text-driving is probably the most trivial. The fact people seized on it and apparently wanted to believe that his dangerous driving caused the death of Gombar is one example of &#039;anti-muslim bigotry&#039; that does stand up.

Attack him for thinly veiled threats and intimidation, or his failure to uphold the principle of freedom of speech, accuse him of working to an Islamist agenda and/or indulging in tribal politics, but going on about him sending a text while driving seems silly - to me at any rate.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I didn&#8217;t say it was trivial expat, what I said was it isn&#8217;t crime of the century.</p>
<p>Of all the charges that can be laid against Lord Ahmed&#8217;s door, text-driving is probably the most trivial. The fact people seized on it and apparently wanted to believe that his dangerous driving caused the death of Gombar is one example of &#8216;anti-muslim bigotry&#8217; that does stand up.</p>
<p>Attack him for thinly veiled threats and intimidation, or his failure to uphold the principle of freedom of speech, accuse him of working to an Islamist agenda and/or indulging in tribal politics, but going on about him sending a text while driving seems silly &#8211; to me at any rate.</p>
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		<title>By: David Boothroyd</title>
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		<dc:creator>David Boothroyd</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Sep 2009 14:40:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Lord Kagan returned to the Labour benches immediately after leaving prison.

The last member of the House of Lords to be tried by his Peers was over manslaughter which would probably have been a charge of causing death by dangerous driving had that offence existed. Lord de Clifford was found not guilty.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lord Kagan returned to the Labour benches immediately after leaving prison.</p>
<p>The last member of the House of Lords to be tried by his Peers was over manslaughter which would probably have been a charge of causing death by dangerous driving had that offence existed. Lord de Clifford was found not guilty.</p>
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		<title>By: David T</title>
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		<dc:creator>David T</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Sep 2009 14:16:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Are there any Lords who have been imprisoned, who have been re-admitted to their party and had the Whip restored to them?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Are there any Lords who have been imprisoned, who have been re-admitted to their party and had the Whip restored to them?</p>
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		<title>By: Venichka</title>
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		<dc:creator>Venichka</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Sep 2009 13:58:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No, David, he&#039;s &quot;other&quot;, too.

Look:

http://www.parliament.uk/mpslordsandoffices/mps_and_lords/alphabetical_list_of_members.cfm</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No, David, he&#8217;s &#8220;other&#8221;, too.</p>
<p>Look:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.parliament.uk/mpslordsandoffices/mps_and_lords/alphabetical_list_of_members.cfm" rel="nofollow">http://www.parliament.uk/mpslordsandoffices/mps_and_lords/alphabetical_list_of_members.cfm</a></p>
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