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	<title>Comments on: Mohammed Saeed Bahmanpour: Al Quds Day Natural</title>
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		<title>By: Josh Scholar</title>
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		<dc:creator>Josh Scholar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Sep 2009 12:31:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Lynne I&#039;ve come to the conclusion that Islam is less a religion and more of a conspiracy theory.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lynne I&#8217;ve come to the conclusion that Islam is less a religion and more of a conspiracy theory.</p>
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		<title>By: Lynne T</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lynne T</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Sep 2009 11:51:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;It is certainly not the case to claim it to be antisemitic to remark that feminism is basically Jewish-oriented.&quot;

Feminism is basically Jewish-oriented?

I guess that&#039;s there&#039;s a prayer Jewish males recite that gives that they were born men and not women.

Or are there just a lot of Jewish women who are feminists because, like me, it rankled them big time to listen to the boys recite this prayer in Hebrew school.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;It is certainly not the case to claim it to be antisemitic to remark that feminism is basically Jewish-oriented.&#8221;</p>
<p>Feminism is basically Jewish-oriented?</p>
<p>I guess that&#8217;s there&#8217;s a prayer Jewish males recite that gives that they were born men and not women.</p>
<p>Or are there just a lot of Jewish women who are feminists because, like me, it rankled them big time to listen to the boys recite this prayer in Hebrew school.</p>
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		<title>By: qidniz</title>
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		<dc:creator>qidniz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Sep 2009 05:08:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;That shows that reasonable morality is making some headway among Muslims.&lt;/i&gt;

Actually, the process is the reverse.  The vast majority of Muslims are descended from converts in diverse cultures.  Those ancestors were not savages, those pre-Islamic cultures were not amoral, and residues of those cultures have remained in Islamic societies.  So, most Muslims have at least some background in traditional morality of a form that retains a notion of goodwill to fellow human beings.  

Which is to say, the &quot;headway&quot; goes the other way.  Proper training in Islam requires Muslims to &lt;i&gt;lose&lt;/i&gt; those traditional scruples and &lt;i&gt;embrace&lt;/i&gt; the hatred and oppression propounded in their scriptures. 

Islam, taken seriously, brutalizes normal human beings.  Muslims are its first victims.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>That shows that reasonable morality is making some headway among Muslims.</i></p>
<p>Actually, the process is the reverse.  The vast majority of Muslims are descended from converts in diverse cultures.  Those ancestors were not savages, those pre-Islamic cultures were not amoral, and residues of those cultures have remained in Islamic societies.  So, most Muslims have at least some background in traditional morality of a form that retains a notion of goodwill to fellow human beings.  </p>
<p>Which is to say, the &#8220;headway&#8221; goes the other way.  Proper training in Islam requires Muslims to <i>lose</i> those traditional scruples and <i>embrace</i> the hatred and oppression propounded in their scriptures. </p>
<p>Islam, taken seriously, brutalizes normal human beings.  Muslims are its first victims.</p>
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		<title>By: qidniz</title>
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		<dc:creator>qidniz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Sep 2009 04:53:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;“They are being exposed to very literalist interpretations of the Koran. These are interpretations that would not be recognised by 80 or 90 per cent of Muslims&quot;&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Absolute rubbish.  The figure is much more likely the complement: 10 to 20% of Muslims might have had enough exposure to non-Muslim ideas and cultures, enough to recognize that the &quot;literalist interpretations&quot; are woefully unPeeCee.  

This is no random &quot;13th century scholar&quot; here, presumably fiddlefaddling with &quot;literalist interpretations&quot; or whatnot. Al-Hilli (after Al-Tusi) is about as &lt;i&gt;mainstream classical&lt;/i&gt; as it could ever get in Shia Islam.   Sheesh.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>“They are being exposed to very literalist interpretations of the Koran. These are interpretations that would not be recognised by 80 or 90 per cent of Muslims&#8221;</p></blockquote>
<p>Absolute rubbish.  The figure is much more likely the complement: 10 to 20% of Muslims might have had enough exposure to non-Muslim ideas and cultures, enough to recognize that the &#8220;literalist interpretations&#8221; are woefully unPeeCee.  </p>
<p>This is no random &#8220;13th century scholar&#8221; here, presumably fiddlefaddling with &#8220;literalist interpretations&#8221; or whatnot. Al-Hilli (after Al-Tusi) is about as <i>mainstream classical</i> as it could ever get in Shia Islam.   Sheesh.</p>
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		<title>By: Biff Larkin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Biff Larkin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Sep 2009 04:52:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It seems that you Brits got a bad Muslim immigrant draw, and that a few bad apples are spoiling the barrel.

What you should do is triple or even quadruple the number of Muslims you allow to immigrate. That way the naturally inquisitive, liberal, tolerant, peace-loving character of Islamic civilization will assert itself, against the atypical likes of Mohammed Saeed Bahmanpour.

Seriously,</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It seems that you Brits got a bad Muslim immigrant draw, and that a few bad apples are spoiling the barrel.</p>
<p>What you should do is triple or even quadruple the number of Muslims you allow to immigrate. That way the naturally inquisitive, liberal, tolerant, peace-loving character of Islamic civilization will assert itself, against the atypical likes of Mohammed Saeed Bahmanpour.</p>
<p>Seriously,</p>
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		<title>By: Cipriano</title>
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		<dc:creator>Cipriano</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Sep 2009 23:04:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Israelinurse - you&#039;re always so damned constructive! Thanks for the suggestion, though - I&#039;ll be in London that day, but I fear I might combine some Jewish cultural tourism with just a soupçon of confrontation at the &quot;Quds&quot; fandango.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Israelinurse &#8211; you&#8217;re always so damned constructive! Thanks for the suggestion, though &#8211; I&#8217;ll be in London that day, but I fear I might combine some Jewish cultural tourism with just a soupçon of confrontation at the &#8220;Quds&#8221; fandango.</p>
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		<title>By: David T</title>
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		<dc:creator>David T</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Sep 2009 22:19:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;The world wide web of corruption and indecency&quot;

Well he has one thing right!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;The world wide web of corruption and indecency&#8221;</p>
<p>Well he has one thing right!</p>
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		<title>By: Israelinurse</title>
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		<dc:creator>Israelinurse</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Sep 2009 21:32:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great piece, Habibi, as always.

Anybody who is as nauseated as I am by this Al Quds day on Sept. 13th could opt for something more positive. On that same day there are many &#039;Open Door&#039; events taking place in the framework of &#039;European Days of Jewish Culture and Heritage&#039;, including history walks and &#039;Open Door&#039; at some of London and Britain&#039;s finest historic synagogues. 
Full programme:
http://www.jewisheritage.org/jh/upload/edjc/pdf/PDFText_36_English1.pdf
Have fun!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great piece, Habibi, as always.</p>
<p>Anybody who is as nauseated as I am by this Al Quds day on Sept. 13th could opt for something more positive. On that same day there are many &#8216;Open Door&#8217; events taking place in the framework of &#8216;European Days of Jewish Culture and Heritage&#8217;, including history walks and &#8216;Open Door&#8217; at some of London and Britain&#8217;s finest historic synagogues.<br />
Full programme:<br />
<a href="http://www.jewisheritage.org/jh/upload/edjc/pdf/PDFText_36_English1.pdf" rel="nofollow">http://www.jewisheritage.org/jh/upload/edjc/pdf/PDFText_36_English1.pdf</a><br />
Have fun!</p>
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		<title>By: Josh Scholar</title>
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		<dc:creator>Josh Scholar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Sep 2009 21:02:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The only part of this report that isn&#039;t (sadly) completely expected is that some divinity students are now objecting to being taught the traditional hatred and oppression.  That shows that reasonable morality is making some headway among Muslims.  But until I hear the same objections being raised at institutions that teach children rather than adults, I won&#039;t feel that humanity has a chance of winning this battle against hatred, violence, oppression and backwardness.

I found a bit on Hawza Ilmiya in google cache of an expired page &lt;i&gt;&quot;The courses at Hawza Ilmiyya are eight years&#039; in length. For the last three years of courses, students travel to Iran, where they attend colleges in the Iranian holy city of Qom.&quot;&lt;/i&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The only part of this report that isn&#8217;t (sadly) completely expected is that some divinity students are now objecting to being taught the traditional hatred and oppression.  That shows that reasonable morality is making some headway among Muslims.  But until I hear the same objections being raised at institutions that teach children rather than adults, I won&#8217;t feel that humanity has a chance of winning this battle against hatred, violence, oppression and backwardness.</p>
<p>I found a bit on Hawza Ilmiya in google cache of an expired page <i>&#8220;The courses at Hawza Ilmiyya are eight years&#8217; in length. For the last three years of courses, students travel to Iran, where they attend colleges in the Iranian holy city of Qom.&#8221;</i></p>
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