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	<title>Comments on: Remembering Lezek Kolakowski</title>
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	<description>Liberty, if it means anything, is the right to tell people what they don&#039;t want to hear</description>
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		<title>By: Graham</title>
		<link>http://hurryupharry.org/2009/07/21/remembering-lezek-kolakowski/comment-page-1/#comment-369558</link>
		<dc:creator>Graham</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Jul 2009 16:48:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Highly amusing all round.</description>
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		<title>By: sackcloth and ashes</title>
		<link>http://hurryupharry.org/2009/07/21/remembering-lezek-kolakowski/comment-page-1/#comment-369421</link>
		<dc:creator>sackcloth and ashes</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Jul 2009 11:26:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&#039;Kowlakowski (sic) did not attack communism. He didn’t understand communism nor did he undertsand what sort of society Soviet Russia was.&#039;

Kolakowski experienced the worst of Stalinism in Poland (prior to Bierut&#039;s death and the &#039;Polish October&#039; of 1956) in which the PZPR did it&#039;s best to ape its Soviet counterpart (although it had the common sense not to impose collectivisation). He experienced the illusory period of &#039;liberal Communism&#039; under Gomulka, and left in 1968 - the year the regime decided to respond to popular demands for reform by inciting a state sponsored campaign of anti-Semitism. So I think he understood full well what Communism was all about. But perhaps you&#039;d like to tell me what first-hand experience you&#039;ve had of living under a Communist system, Mr Gray?

Oh, and if you are going to criticise someone&#039;s arguments, at least do them the courtesy of trying to spell their name right.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8216;Kowlakowski (sic) did not attack communism. He didn’t understand communism nor did he undertsand what sort of society Soviet Russia was.&#8217;</p>
<p>Kolakowski experienced the worst of Stalinism in Poland (prior to Bierut&#8217;s death and the &#8216;Polish October&#8217; of 1956) in which the PZPR did it&#8217;s best to ape its Soviet counterpart (although it had the common sense not to impose collectivisation). He experienced the illusory period of &#8216;liberal Communism&#8217; under Gomulka, and left in 1968 &#8211; the year the regime decided to respond to popular demands for reform by inciting a state sponsored campaign of anti-Semitism. So I think he understood full well what Communism was all about. But perhaps you&#8217;d like to tell me what first-hand experience you&#8217;ve had of living under a Communist system, Mr Gray?</p>
<p>Oh, and if you are going to criticise someone&#8217;s arguments, at least do them the courtesy of trying to spell their name right.</p>
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		<title>By: Judy</title>
		<link>http://hurryupharry.org/2009/07/21/remembering-lezek-kolakowski/comment-page-1/#comment-369400</link>
		<dc:creator>Judy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Jul 2009 10:30:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;d plead for a preservation order for spgb gray so we can go on enjoying the way he keeps on getting more and more unintentionally self-parodic, but there&#039;s clearly no need for one. I thought about describing him and his like as being as enjoyable as getting Japanese knotweed on the garden, but then Japanese knotweed spreads like wildfire, and the spread of such obscure cults as the SPGB is..... Never mind, spgbgray, keep swallowing the Lenin. 

But then we get the much more sophisticated Andrew Coates who attempts to depict Kolakowski as a superficial political tyro. Evidence offered=swallow these lengthy tomes by a sequence of true believers. If he&#039;s an example of depth and political experience, I&#039;ll stick with Kolakowski.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;d plead for a preservation order for spgb gray so we can go on enjoying the way he keeps on getting more and more unintentionally self-parodic, but there&#8217;s clearly no need for one. I thought about describing him and his like as being as enjoyable as getting Japanese knotweed on the garden, but then Japanese knotweed spreads like wildfire, and the spread of such obscure cults as the SPGB is&#8230;.. Never mind, spgbgray, keep swallowing the Lenin. </p>
<p>But then we get the much more sophisticated Andrew Coates who attempts to depict Kolakowski as a superficial political tyro. Evidence offered=swallow these lengthy tomes by a sequence of true believers. If he&#8217;s an example of depth and political experience, I&#8217;ll stick with Kolakowski.</p>
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		<title>By: spgb gray</title>
		<link>http://hurryupharry.org/2009/07/21/remembering-lezek-kolakowski/comment-page-1/#comment-369229</link>
		<dc:creator>spgb gray</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Jul 2009 17:28:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>More Lenin, as the idiots obviously need a help or don&#039;t want to read what is in Black and White for all to see:

2. State Capitalism in the Proletarian State and the Trade Unions

The proletarian state may, without changing its own nature, permit freedom of trade and the development of capitalism only within certain bounds, and only on the condition that the state regulates (supervises, controls, determines the forms and methods of, etc.) private trade and private capitalism. The success of such regulation will depend not only on the state authorities, but also, and to a larger extent, on the degree of maturity of the proletariat and of the masses of the working people generally, on their cultural level, etc. But even if this regulation is completely successful, the antagonism of class interests between labour and capital will certainly remain. Consequently, one of the main tasks that will henceforth confront the trade unions is to protect in every way the class interests of the proletariat in its struggle against capital. This task should be openly put in the forefront, and the machinery   of the trade unions must be reorganised, modified or supplemented accordingly; strike funds, and so on should be formed, or rather, built up.
http://www.marxists.org/archive/lenin/works/1921/dec/30b.htm

I am terribly sorry if this points out the fact that Lenin and the Bolsheviks had a policy of state capitalism for Russia.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>More Lenin, as the idiots obviously need a help or don&#8217;t want to read what is in Black and White for all to see:</p>
<p>2. State Capitalism in the Proletarian State and the Trade Unions</p>
<p>The proletarian state may, without changing its own nature, permit freedom of trade and the development of capitalism only within certain bounds, and only on the condition that the state regulates (supervises, controls, determines the forms and methods of, etc.) private trade and private capitalism. The success of such regulation will depend not only on the state authorities, but also, and to a larger extent, on the degree of maturity of the proletariat and of the masses of the working people generally, on their cultural level, etc. But even if this regulation is completely successful, the antagonism of class interests between labour and capital will certainly remain. Consequently, one of the main tasks that will henceforth confront the trade unions is to protect in every way the class interests of the proletariat in its struggle against capital. This task should be openly put in the forefront, and the machinery   of the trade unions must be reorganised, modified or supplemented accordingly; strike funds, and so on should be formed, or rather, built up.<br />
<a href="http://www.marxists.org/archive/lenin/works/1921/dec/30b.htm" rel="nofollow">http://www.marxists.org/archive/lenin/works/1921/dec/30b.htm</a></p>
<p>I am terribly sorry if this points out the fact that Lenin and the Bolsheviks had a policy of state capitalism for Russia.</p>
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		<title>By: spgb gray</title>
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		<dc:creator>spgb gray</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Jul 2009 17:19:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dave is a typical example of the default idiocy of the Left and Right, who have no case and know it. So all they can do is make childish remarks....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dave is a typical example of the default idiocy of the Left and Right, who have no case and know it. So all they can do is make childish remarks&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: Dave</title>
		<link>http://hurryupharry.org/2009/07/21/remembering-lezek-kolakowski/comment-page-1/#comment-369200</link>
		<dc:creator>Dave</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Jul 2009 15:57:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Member of tiny, obscure political sect that has achieved precisely nothing in something like a century of existence: &quot;You would rather write us out of history.....&quot;

If there&#039;s a more laughable example of pompous self-delusion displayed on HP this year I&#039;ll be surprised. Even Shayler looks normal compared to this guy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Member of tiny, obscure political sect that has achieved precisely nothing in something like a century of existence: &#8220;You would rather write us out of history&#8230;..&#8221;</p>
<p>If there&#8217;s a more laughable example of pompous self-delusion displayed on HP this year I&#8217;ll be surprised. Even Shayler looks normal compared to this guy.</p>
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		<title>By: qidniz</title>
		<link>http://hurryupharry.org/2009/07/21/remembering-lezek-kolakowski/comment-page-1/#comment-369184</link>
		<dc:creator>qidniz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Jul 2009 14:39:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;I did not write you out of history.

You failed to write yourselves into it.&lt;/i&gt;

pwned!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>I did not write you out of history.</p>
<p>You failed to write yourselves into it.</i></p>
<p>pwned!!</p>
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		<title>By: Makhno</title>
		<link>http://hurryupharry.org/2009/07/21/remembering-lezek-kolakowski/comment-page-1/#comment-369180</link>
		<dc:creator>Makhno</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Jul 2009 14:31:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I did not write you out of history.

You failed to write yourselves into it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I did not write you out of history.</p>
<p>You failed to write yourselves into it.</p>
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		<title>By: spgb gray</title>
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		<dc:creator>spgb gray</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Jul 2009 13:57:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The Socialist Party of Great Britain has never been alone in pointing out the authoritarian, anti-marxist, nature of Leninism. It was, though, pretty much alone in pointing out the dictatorial state capitalist economy established under Lenin. To its credit, the SPGB was exposing the Stalinist myths, despite threats of CPGB violence in the 30s and 40s.

But you have no intellectual honesty or integrity, do you Makhno? You would rather write us out of history than deal with actual facts and ideas that obliterate the rubbish Kolakowski and associated idiots like you hold dear,</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Socialist Party of Great Britain has never been alone in pointing out the authoritarian, anti-marxist, nature of Leninism. It was, though, pretty much alone in pointing out the dictatorial state capitalist economy established under Lenin. To its credit, the SPGB was exposing the Stalinist myths, despite threats of CPGB violence in the 30s and 40s.</p>
<p>But you have no intellectual honesty or integrity, do you Makhno? You would rather write us out of history than deal with actual facts and ideas that obliterate the rubbish Kolakowski and associated idiots like you hold dear,</p>
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		<title>By: Makhno</title>
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		<dc:creator>Makhno</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Jul 2009 12:28:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;Lenin wasn’t the super-Marxist you try to paint him out to be&lt;/i&gt;

Well as I pointed out compared to yourself and your thirty odd friends Lenin was an absolute historical non-person.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Lenin wasn’t the super-Marxist you try to paint him out to be</i></p>
<p>Well as I pointed out compared to yourself and your thirty odd friends Lenin was an absolute historical non-person.</p>
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