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		<title>By: Israelinurse</title>
		<link>http://hurryupharry.org/2009/07/14/roshan-muhammed-salih-apologist/comment-page-1/#comment-367294</link>
		<dc:creator>Israelinurse</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Jul 2009 23:47:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nicole -you may find this interesting:
http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?cid=1246443821039&amp;pagename=JPost%2FJPArticle%2FShowFull
The commander of one of the soldiers making accusations in the &#039;Shovrim Shtika&#039; report reveals that he wasn&#039;t in Gaza at the time.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nicole -you may find this interesting:<br />
<a href="http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?cid=1246443821039&amp;pagename=JPost%2FJPArticle%2FShowFull" rel="nofollow">http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?cid=1246443821039&amp;pagename=JPost%2FJPArticle%2FShowFull</a><br />
The commander of one of the soldiers making accusations in the &#8216;Shovrim Shtika&#8217; report reveals that he wasn&#8217;t in Gaza at the time.</p>
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		<title>By: Lbnaz</title>
		<link>http://hurryupharry.org/2009/07/14/roshan-muhammed-salih-apologist/comment-page-1/#comment-367266</link>
		<dc:creator>Lbnaz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Jul 2009 22:01:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Re: HPhM - The Zionists ate his brain. And then they gave him chewing gum.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Re: HPhM &#8211; The Zionists ate his brain. And then they gave him chewing gum.</p>
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		<title>By: hasan prishtina</title>
		<link>http://hurryupharry.org/2009/07/14/roshan-muhammed-salih-apologist/comment-page-1/#comment-367223</link>
		<dc:creator>hasan prishtina</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Jul 2009 19:39:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It just wouldn&#039;t be the same without the likes of HPhM standing up for the propaganda arm of a government that kills and enslaves Muslims. Difference is, we don&#039;t need the Board of Guardians and Press TV to tell us what to think.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It just wouldn&#8217;t be the same without the likes of HPhM standing up for the propaganda arm of a government that kills and enslaves Muslims. Difference is, we don&#8217;t need the Board of Guardians and Press TV to tell us what to think.</p>
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		<title>By: HPhatesMuslims</title>
		<link>http://hurryupharry.org/2009/07/14/roshan-muhammed-salih-apologist/comment-page-1/#comment-367210</link>
		<dc:creator>HPhatesMuslims</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Jul 2009 19:22:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Given the numerous apologists for Israel we have in the mainstream press not to mention appeasers like HP your kicking up a fuss about a satelitte channel which dares defend itself from zionist attacks (thats after all why Roshan Muhamed Salih wrote the piece) is laughable</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Given the numerous apologists for Israel we have in the mainstream press not to mention appeasers like HP your kicking up a fuss about a satelitte channel which dares defend itself from zionist attacks (thats after all why Roshan Muhamed Salih wrote the piece) is laughable</p>
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		<title>By: armaros</title>
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		<dc:creator>armaros</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Jul 2009 18:20:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It is funny (or not) that there are known Cif heroes supporting this bastard.

Orwellwasright:

&quot;Another point in defense of Press TV would be that the Western media has been in overdrive when it comes to demonising Iran - and has based this demonisation largely on a long string of distortions and outright falsehoods. It stands to reason that the Iranians would try to counter this - or is it only the West who are allowed to engage in propaganda these days?...The predictable comments from the pro-Israeli crowd are amusing as usual - people who applaud war criminals and murderers spouting off about what depths the Guardian has sunk to for allowing a journalist to write a piece about a rival TV channel. There&#039;s something inherently twisted about their moral compass, if they ever had one....

ShamelessHussey:

&quot;I note the constant western political spin employed against Iran - it&#039;s a &#039;regime&#039; (whereas Israel is a &#039;government&#039;) and the continual running-down of majority Iranian views in favour of an elite minority vis-a-vis the elections. The colonial occupation of Iran&#039;s neighbours is a &#039;mission&#039; (like it&#039;s some sort of a Christian Crusade) by &#039;our boys&#039; some of them are &#039;fallen heroes&#039;. Genuine insurgents and people who are fighting occupations and even elected goverments and organisations (Hamas, Hizbollah, Iraqi and Afghan opposition) are referred to as &#039;terrorists&#039; whereas the genocidal foreign maniacs in Occupied Palestine, Iraq and Afganistan are referred to as &#039;Israelis&#039;, &#039;soldiers&#039;, &#039;armies&#039;, &#039;allies&#039;.

The propaganda and spin of the BBC, never mind Fox News of the Daily Mail, has no comparison with what Press TV could produce.

In short, Press TV is an antidote that provides real news and differing points of view compared to the pro-Israel, pro-occupation, violent white Christian propaganda of so-called mainstream &#039;western&#039; media. That is why these sneering western hypocrites will continually be having a go at Press TV - they are threatened that an Iranian outfit running on a small budget is doing real journalism instead of the tat that passes for news in Europe and the US nowadays.&quot;

There is something inherently twisted (to borrow from the great author above) about a &quot;news&quot; station backing a government which shoots people on its own streets and tortures its own youth after it is discovered that such government won with 105% of the vote. Its mouthpiece has the gull to come out here and claim to be representing journalism along with a defense of state repression and holocaust denial in the year 2009. As if these people didn&#039;t realize information transit has changed since the Ukrainian famine.

So I guess lets hear it for the pro holocaust denial crowd, among whom some seem desperate at getting a job interview with PressTV given that times are hard I suppose. There will always be candidates to whore themselves to any ideology from any place as long as it appeases their own pent up anger at either not gettin&#039; any or feeling lost in the world yearning for utopia be it a bloody and bone wrecking one at times. Perhaps they like it rough, who knows......

Axis Sally- Tokyo Rose- _________fill in the blank PressTV is hiring... yuppie.....

At least ShamelessHussey has a self descriptive name apt for its posts....
2 candidates for 1 position. The race is on. Brush up on that Holocaust research AhmedNutbobJihad called for, it may be on the admittance test.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It is funny (or not) that there are known Cif heroes supporting this bastard.</p>
<p>Orwellwasright:</p>
<p>&#8220;Another point in defense of Press TV would be that the Western media has been in overdrive when it comes to demonising Iran &#8211; and has based this demonisation largely on a long string of distortions and outright falsehoods. It stands to reason that the Iranians would try to counter this &#8211; or is it only the West who are allowed to engage in propaganda these days?&#8230;The predictable comments from the pro-Israeli crowd are amusing as usual &#8211; people who applaud war criminals and murderers spouting off about what depths the Guardian has sunk to for allowing a journalist to write a piece about a rival TV channel. There&#8217;s something inherently twisted about their moral compass, if they ever had one&#8230;.</p>
<p>ShamelessHussey:</p>
<p>&#8220;I note the constant western political spin employed against Iran &#8211; it&#8217;s a &#8216;regime&#8217; (whereas Israel is a &#8216;government&#8217;) and the continual running-down of majority Iranian views in favour of an elite minority vis-a-vis the elections. The colonial occupation of Iran&#8217;s neighbours is a &#8216;mission&#8217; (like it&#8217;s some sort of a Christian Crusade) by &#8216;our boys&#8217; some of them are &#8216;fallen heroes&#8217;. Genuine insurgents and people who are fighting occupations and even elected goverments and organisations (Hamas, Hizbollah, Iraqi and Afghan opposition) are referred to as &#8216;terrorists&#8217; whereas the genocidal foreign maniacs in Occupied Palestine, Iraq and Afganistan are referred to as &#8216;Israelis&#8217;, &#8217;soldiers&#8217;, &#8216;armies&#8217;, &#8216;allies&#8217;.</p>
<p>The propaganda and spin of the BBC, never mind Fox News of the Daily Mail, has no comparison with what Press TV could produce.</p>
<p>In short, Press TV is an antidote that provides real news and differing points of view compared to the pro-Israel, pro-occupation, violent white Christian propaganda of so-called mainstream &#8216;western&#8217; media. That is why these sneering western hypocrites will continually be having a go at Press TV &#8211; they are threatened that an Iranian outfit running on a small budget is doing real journalism instead of the tat that passes for news in Europe and the US nowadays.&#8221;</p>
<p>There is something inherently twisted (to borrow from the great author above) about a &#8220;news&#8221; station backing a government which shoots people on its own streets and tortures its own youth after it is discovered that such government won with 105% of the vote. Its mouthpiece has the gull to come out here and claim to be representing journalism along with a defense of state repression and holocaust denial in the year 2009. As if these people didn&#8217;t realize information transit has changed since the Ukrainian famine.</p>
<p>So I guess lets hear it for the pro holocaust denial crowd, among whom some seem desperate at getting a job interview with PressTV given that times are hard I suppose. There will always be candidates to whore themselves to any ideology from any place as long as it appeases their own pent up anger at either not gettin&#8217; any or feeling lost in the world yearning for utopia be it a bloody and bone wrecking one at times. Perhaps they like it rough, who knows&#8230;&#8230;</p>
<p>Axis Sally- Tokyo Rose- _________fill in the blank PressTV is hiring&#8230; yuppie&#8230;..</p>
<p>At least ShamelessHussey has a self descriptive name apt for its posts&#8230;.<br />
2 candidates for 1 position. The race is on. Brush up on that Holocaust research AhmedNutbobJihad called for, it may be on the admittance test.</p>
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		<title>By: Israelinurse</title>
		<link>http://hurryupharry.org/2009/07/14/roshan-muhammed-salih-apologist/comment-page-1/#comment-367158</link>
		<dc:creator>Israelinurse</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Jul 2009 17:54:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nicole -good on you for writing to the Beeb; you have much more patience than I.
Unfortunately the IDF says it cannot investigate the accusations in the &#039;Shovrim Shtika&#039; report because they are anonymous, with no indications of place, date, time, unit, soldier&#039;s rank etc. 
Of course there are appropriate channels available for soldiers to make official complaints -it is unfortunate that &#039;Shovrim Shtika&#039; do not encourage soldiers with such claims to use a channel which could actually bring about some change if they were found to be true instead of just exploiting the sensationalist qualities of such anonymous and non-specific accusations.
Sadly, this is not the first time that &#039;Shovrim Shtika&#039; have used such tactics.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nicole -good on you for writing to the Beeb; you have much more patience than I.<br />
Unfortunately the IDF says it cannot investigate the accusations in the &#8216;Shovrim Shtika&#8217; report because they are anonymous, with no indications of place, date, time, unit, soldier&#8217;s rank etc.<br />
Of course there are appropriate channels available for soldiers to make official complaints -it is unfortunate that &#8216;Shovrim Shtika&#8217; do not encourage soldiers with such claims to use a channel which could actually bring about some change if they were found to be true instead of just exploiting the sensationalist qualities of such anonymous and non-specific accusations.<br />
Sadly, this is not the first time that &#8216;Shovrim Shtika&#8217; have used such tactics.</p>
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		<title>By: AKUS</title>
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		<dc:creator>AKUS</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Jul 2009 17:35:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;I believe It is a fundamentally decent government run by a fundamentally decent man&quot;.

Well, about the &quot;fundamental&quot; part, we can all probably agree.

About the &quot;decent&quot; part - no. Sorry. Not decent.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;I believe It is a fundamentally decent government run by a fundamentally decent man&#8221;.</p>
<p>Well, about the &#8220;fundamental&#8221; part, we can all probably agree.</p>
<p>About the &#8220;decent&#8221; part &#8211; no. Sorry. Not decent.</p>
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		<title>By: mememe</title>
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		<dc:creator>mememe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Jul 2009 16:42:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Salih: &quot;that does not mean we slavishly follow the Iranian government line&quot;

That&#039;ll be news to Tehran.

Salih: &quot;It (Iran) is also a government which doesn’t go around invading sovereign nations, killing their people and occupying their countries.&quot;

But it does call for the destruction of Israel, while acquiring the means to do it.

Salih: &quot;he (Ahmadinejad) spends most of his time with the poor and powerless rather-than hob-nobbing with the rich and powerful.&quot;

Mr Chavez will be dismayed to see himself as described as poor and powerless.

Salih: &quot;I fully understand why the authorities have banned street demonstrations which have given fuel to a viscous anti-Iran Campaign.&quot;

It&#039;s the thickness of the viscosity that does it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Salih: &#8220;that does not mean we slavishly follow the Iranian government line&#8221;</p>
<p>That&#8217;ll be news to Tehran.</p>
<p>Salih: &#8220;It (Iran) is also a government which doesn’t go around invading sovereign nations, killing their people and occupying their countries.&#8221;</p>
<p>But it does call for the destruction of Israel, while acquiring the means to do it.</p>
<p>Salih: &#8220;he (Ahmadinejad) spends most of his time with the poor and powerless rather-than hob-nobbing with the rich and powerful.&#8221;</p>
<p>Mr Chavez will be dismayed to see himself as described as poor and powerless.</p>
<p>Salih: &#8220;I fully understand why the authorities have banned street demonstrations which have given fuel to a viscous anti-Iran Campaign.&#8221;</p>
<p>It&#8217;s the thickness of the viscosity that does it.</p>
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		<title>By: Another Penny</title>
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		<dc:creator>Another Penny</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Jul 2009 16:04:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t think I will ever understand why Hamas&#039; conduct - especially its educational program which encourages children to hate and to desire martyrdom - is never called into question. Quite the reverse; more aid is pumped in to support it.

If you genuinely care about all concerned - be they Palestinian or Israeli - how can you not condemn the abuse of children and not see that this on-going indoctrination is utterly destructive to any peaceful resolution?

I can only conclude that those who cry loudest about Israel/IDF/Gaza are crying from a point of hatred and in support of a &#039;cause&#039;, rather than any genuine concern for the people they claim to care about.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t think I will ever understand why Hamas&#8217; conduct &#8211; especially its educational program which encourages children to hate and to desire martyrdom &#8211; is never called into question. Quite the reverse; more aid is pumped in to support it.</p>
<p>If you genuinely care about all concerned &#8211; be they Palestinian or Israeli &#8211; how can you not condemn the abuse of children and not see that this on-going indoctrination is utterly destructive to any peaceful resolution?</p>
<p>I can only conclude that those who cry loudest about Israel/IDF/Gaza are crying from a point of hatred and in support of a &#8217;cause&#8217;, rather than any genuine concern for the people they claim to care about.</p>
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		<title>By: The Rabbi-t</title>
		<link>http://hurryupharry.org/2009/07/14/roshan-muhammed-salih-apologist/comment-page-1/#comment-367050</link>
		<dc:creator>The Rabbi-t</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Jul 2009 15:14:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>‘For lack of basic facts, we are forced to accept unconditionally the positions of the official bodies, which assure us that in spite of any doubts, the IDF’s conduct was faultless and public accountability uncalled for. This publication includes the testimonies of around thirty combatants who took part in the operation in early 2009. The testimonies that appear here were gathered over the past few months from soldiers who served in all sectors of the operation. The majority of the soldiers who spoke with us are still serving in their regular military units and turned to us in deep distress at the moral deterioration of the IDF. Although this publication does not claim to provide a broad, comprehensive review of all the soldiers and the units who carried out the operation, these narratives are enough to bring into question the credibility of the official IDF versions&#039; script for The Indie, today, re IDF onslaught</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>‘For lack of basic facts, we are forced to accept unconditionally the positions of the official bodies, which assure us that in spite of any doubts, the IDF’s conduct was faultless and public accountability uncalled for. This publication includes the testimonies of around thirty combatants who took part in the operation in early 2009. The testimonies that appear here were gathered over the past few months from soldiers who served in all sectors of the operation. The majority of the soldiers who spoke with us are still serving in their regular military units and turned to us in deep distress at the moral deterioration of the IDF. Although this publication does not claim to provide a broad, comprehensive review of all the soldiers and the units who carried out the operation, these narratives are enough to bring into question the credibility of the official IDF versions&#8217; script for The Indie, today, re IDF onslaught</p>
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