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	<description>Liberty, if it means anything, is the right to tell people what they don&#039;t want to hear</description>
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		<title>By: Alan Ji</title>
		<link>http://hurryupharry.org/2009/07/11/upload-in-the-uk-obey-british-laws/comment-page-2/#comment-368207</link>
		<dc:creator>Alan Ji</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 18 Jul 2009 22:02:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot; website had been hosted on servers in California, where the equivalent of British race-hate legislation did not exist, it was concluded that the point of distribution occurred when he and Whittle had uploaded the material from their locations in the UK.&quot; 

An exact parallel with the Judicial decision saying that downloading in England and Wales constituted publication within the jurisdiction of the Court. That Judge was not going to waste time discussing where the server was located or where the Internet Service Provider was registered as a Company.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8221; website had been hosted on servers in California, where the equivalent of British race-hate legislation did not exist, it was concluded that the point of distribution occurred when he and Whittle had uploaded the material from their locations in the UK.&#8221; </p>
<p>An exact parallel with the Judicial decision saying that downloading in England and Wales constituted publication within the jurisdiction of the Court. That Judge was not going to waste time discussing where the server was located or where the Internet Service Provider was registered as a Company.</p>
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		<title>By: M o r g o t h</title>
		<link>http://hurryupharry.org/2009/07/11/upload-in-the-uk-obey-british-laws/comment-page-2/#comment-366322</link>
		<dc:creator>M o r g o t h</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 12 Jul 2009 23:43:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Amen. Welcome back Metta.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Amen. Welcome back Metta.</p>
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		<title>By: Monty</title>
		<link>http://hurryupharry.org/2009/07/11/upload-in-the-uk-obey-british-laws/comment-page-2/#comment-366290</link>
		<dc:creator>Monty</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 12 Jul 2009 20:41:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s good to see Metta back.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s good to see Metta back.</p>
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		<title>By: mesquito</title>
		<link>http://hurryupharry.org/2009/07/11/upload-in-the-uk-obey-british-laws/comment-page-2/#comment-366288</link>
		<dc:creator>mesquito</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 12 Jul 2009 20:35:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;em&gt;...US media and communications corporations are prohibited from operating in Cuba and hence allowing free speech .
&lt;/em&gt;

Are you sure about that?  It seems I was treated to a fresh Castro interview every few months for the last 40 years.  And CNN had a Havana bureau bach when I used to watch them.

(I think it&#039;s time to lift the embargo, btw.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>&#8230;US media and communications corporations are prohibited from operating in Cuba and hence allowing free speech .<br />
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<p>Are you sure about that?  It seems I was treated to a fresh Castro interview every few months for the last 40 years.  And CNN had a Havana bureau bach when I used to watch them.</p>
<p>(I think it&#8217;s time to lift the embargo, btw.)</p>
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		<title>By: ermintrude</title>
		<link>http://hurryupharry.org/2009/07/11/upload-in-the-uk-obey-british-laws/comment-page-2/#comment-366287</link>
		<dc:creator>ermintrude</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 12 Jul 2009 20:30:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Fuck me sideways, it&#039;s mettaculture!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Fuck me sideways, it&#8217;s mettaculture!</p>
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		<title>By: Monty</title>
		<link>http://hurryupharry.org/2009/07/11/upload-in-the-uk-obey-british-laws/comment-page-2/#comment-366281</link>
		<dc:creator>Monty</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 12 Jul 2009 20:00:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Modernity obviously harbours a significant degree of visceral hatred to some sectors of the human race. This is dangerous, because left to his own devices, who knows what violence he might unleash. 

Perhaps he should be nipped in the bud...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Modernity obviously harbours a significant degree of visceral hatred to some sectors of the human race. This is dangerous, because left to his own devices, who knows what violence he might unleash. </p>
<p>Perhaps he should be nipped in the bud&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Monty</title>
		<link>http://hurryupharry.org/2009/07/11/upload-in-the-uk-obey-british-laws/comment-page-2/#comment-366276</link>
		<dc:creator>Monty</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 12 Jul 2009 19:40:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mod:

&quot;Now you might suggest that no one does anything until the point is reached where they lob dynamite into a black church or plant bombs in a street market, but clearly it is possible to nip these things in the bud....


I personally would prefer if these cranks could be stopped before they inflict violence.&quot;

Horrendous....

People who don&#039;t agree with your point of view must be nipped in the bud? Are you serious?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mod:</p>
<p>&#8220;Now you might suggest that no one does anything until the point is reached where they lob dynamite into a black church or plant bombs in a street market, but clearly it is possible to nip these things in the bud&#8230;.</p>
<p>I personally would prefer if these cranks could be stopped before they inflict violence.&#8221;</p>
<p>Horrendous&#8230;.</p>
<p>People who don&#8217;t agree with your point of view must be nipped in the bud? Are you serious?</p>
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		<title>By: mettaculture</title>
		<link>http://hurryupharry.org/2009/07/11/upload-in-the-uk-obey-british-laws/comment-page-2/#comment-366271</link>
		<dc:creator>mettaculture</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 12 Jul 2009 19:28:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>mesquito

I agree with you about political selectivity

and forgive me for a mild case of &#039;whatabout&#039; but the embargo on Cuba?

Where US citizens are not allowed the free movement and free association inherent in a democracy and are actually outlawed from visiting another country, US media and communications corporations are prohibited from operating in Cuba and hence allowing free speech .

&#039;Why are these things crimes?&#039;

Oh and I cannot buy sterile water and insulin needles in the US, because they may also be used by drug abusers.

&#039;Why are these things crimes?&#039;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>mesquito</p>
<p>I agree with you about political selectivity</p>
<p>and forgive me for a mild case of &#8216;whatabout&#8217; but the embargo on Cuba?</p>
<p>Where US citizens are not allowed the free movement and free association inherent in a democracy and are actually outlawed from visiting another country, US media and communications corporations are prohibited from operating in Cuba and hence allowing free speech .</p>
<p>&#8216;Why are these things crimes?&#8217;</p>
<p>Oh and I cannot buy sterile water and insulin needles in the US, because they may also be used by drug abusers.</p>
<p>&#8216;Why are these things crimes?&#8217;</p>
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		<title>By: modernity</title>
		<link>http://hurryupharry.org/2009/07/11/upload-in-the-uk-obey-british-laws/comment-page-2/#comment-366264</link>
		<dc:creator>modernity</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 12 Jul 2009 18:58:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;&quot;Really? *Could* incite racist violence? My, that’s rather broad.&quot; &lt;/i&gt;

I&#039;ll leave you with this, people who study these type of political sociopaths tend to suggest that it isn&#039;t an overnight conversion from a peaceful individual into someone who loves Adolf Hitler and throws bombs into Pubs.

It is a drip drip effect, virulent racist material inflames these twisted individuals until a point is reached when they act on the demons in their minds.

Now you might suggest that no one does anything until the point is reached where they lob dynamite into a black church or plant bombs in a street market, but clearly it is possible to nip these things in the bud.

And if you believe that stopping racial violence is a good idea, I am hoping that you do, thus the question is when to act and on what basis.

As for the precise crimes, I  think that the victims of racial crime, the police and the Courts should sort it out between themselves, as I have no specialised expertise in this area, but I personally would prefer if these cranks could be stopped before they inflict violence. I&#039;m sure you&#039;ll agree :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>&#8220;Really? *Could* incite racist violence? My, that’s rather broad.&#8221; </i></p>
<p>I&#8217;ll leave you with this, people who study these type of political sociopaths tend to suggest that it isn&#8217;t an overnight conversion from a peaceful individual into someone who loves Adolf Hitler and throws bombs into Pubs.</p>
<p>It is a drip drip effect, virulent racist material inflames these twisted individuals until a point is reached when they act on the demons in their minds.</p>
<p>Now you might suggest that no one does anything until the point is reached where they lob dynamite into a black church or plant bombs in a street market, but clearly it is possible to nip these things in the bud.</p>
<p>And if you believe that stopping racial violence is a good idea, I am hoping that you do, thus the question is when to act and on what basis.</p>
<p>As for the precise crimes, I  think that the victims of racial crime, the police and the Courts should sort it out between themselves, as I have no specialised expertise in this area, but I personally would prefer if these cranks could be stopped before they inflict violence. I&#8217;m sure you&#8217;ll agree :)</p>
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		<title>By: Monty</title>
		<link>http://hurryupharry.org/2009/07/11/upload-in-the-uk-obey-british-laws/comment-page-2/#comment-366218</link>
		<dc:creator>Monty</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 12 Jul 2009 16:00:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As another example, take that internet film that was being hawked around by Kollerstrom, and promoted by the folk at a mosque. It was a conspiracy theory about the 7/7 bombing, and it sought to cast British and Israeli intelligence services as perpetrators in a &quot;false flag&quot; operation for which the four islamists were subsequently blamed.

There were at least two aspects of that film which were arguably incitements. They named one man (a security advisor) and a controlled demolition firm, as being part of the &quot;plot&quot; to defame muslims. Those innocent parties were placed at some considerable risk as a result. The film producer and promoters should face prosecution.

If you join in a protest march with a placard saying &quot;Death to [insert name here]&quot; you should be prosecuted. If you shout &quot;Hamas! Jews to the gas&quot; you should be prosecuted. Also if you shout &quot;Israelis to the gas.&quot;

But if you are on a picket line, you get to shout &quot;scab&quot; at anyone who crosses your line. But publish the scab&#039;s address, or where his kids go to school, and the book should be thrown at you.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As another example, take that internet film that was being hawked around by Kollerstrom, and promoted by the folk at a mosque. It was a conspiracy theory about the 7/7 bombing, and it sought to cast British and Israeli intelligence services as perpetrators in a &#8220;false flag&#8221; operation for which the four islamists were subsequently blamed.</p>
<p>There were at least two aspects of that film which were arguably incitements. They named one man (a security advisor) and a controlled demolition firm, as being part of the &#8220;plot&#8221; to defame muslims. Those innocent parties were placed at some considerable risk as a result. The film producer and promoters should face prosecution.</p>
<p>If you join in a protest march with a placard saying &#8220;Death to [insert name here]&#8221; you should be prosecuted. If you shout &#8220;Hamas! Jews to the gas&#8221; you should be prosecuted. Also if you shout &#8220;Israelis to the gas.&#8221;</p>
<p>But if you are on a picket line, you get to shout &#8220;scab&#8221; at anyone who crosses your line. But publish the scab&#8217;s address, or where his kids go to school, and the book should be thrown at you.</p>
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