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	<description>Liberty, if it means anything, is the right to tell people what they don&#039;t want to hear</description>
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		<title>By: Bonty</title>
		<link>http://hurryupharry.org/2009/07/08/sink-them/comment-page-2/#comment-366608</link>
		<dc:creator>Bonty</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Jul 2009 04:55:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Come on Griffin, sink the immigrant boats? That&#039;s cold. Why not just kill everyone belonging to any group that begins with the letter &quot;I&quot;?

That&#039;ll take care of the Immigrants, the Islamists, the Indians, and all those pesky Infidels in one fell swipe. Maybe even all the Idealists too.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Come on Griffin, sink the immigrant boats? That&#8217;s cold. Why not just kill everyone belonging to any group that begins with the letter &#8220;I&#8221;?</p>
<p>That&#8217;ll take care of the Immigrants, the Islamists, the Indians, and all those pesky Infidels in one fell swipe. Maybe even all the Idealists too.</p>
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		<title>By: wardytron</title>
		<link>http://hurryupharry.org/2009/07/08/sink-them/comment-page-2/#comment-365760</link>
		<dc:creator>wardytron</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Jul 2009 23:30:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;Southern Ontario which is about the same size of the UK and which has “only” 12 million people already feels crowded to me.&lt;/i&gt;

I do actually want to kill people who can experience, say, the Victoria Line at 6pm and think &quot;We need more people, we need more congestion, we need more ramping up of rents. They&#039;re FLINGING people at the BNP. Some of us scurry back, saying &quot;No, they&#039;re the BNP&quot;, but lots land there and stay where they are.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Southern Ontario which is about the same size of the UK and which has “only” 12 million people already feels crowded to me.</i></p>
<p>I do actually want to kill people who can experience, say, the Victoria Line at 6pm and think &#8220;We need more people, we need more congestion, we need more ramping up of rents. They&#8217;re FLINGING people at the BNP. Some of us scurry back, saying &#8220;No, they&#8217;re the BNP&#8221;, but lots land there and stay where they are.</p>
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		<title>By: hasan prishtina</title>
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		<dc:creator>hasan prishtina</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Jul 2009 19:12:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Canada is the 227th out of 238 in the population density stakes. If the UK had the same density its population would be just under 730,000. Southern Ontario, which JP finds crowded, has a population density equivalent to that of Spain; this would leave the UK with a population of just over 21 million, around the number it had at the census in 1871. Not only would we have to export every &quot;non-indigenous&quot; Briton, but about half the number of English, Scots, Welsh and Northern Irish to reach this figure. And this, remember, is what JP says feels crowded. 

I am sure those who want to seal Britain off from the outside world would be happy to live at 1871 levels of income, home conveniences and medical care.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Canada is the 227th out of 238 in the population density stakes. If the UK had the same density its population would be just under 730,000. Southern Ontario, which JP finds crowded, has a population density equivalent to that of Spain; this would leave the UK with a population of just over 21 million, around the number it had at the census in 1871. Not only would we have to export every &#8220;non-indigenous&#8221; Briton, but about half the number of English, Scots, Welsh and Northern Irish to reach this figure. And this, remember, is what JP says feels crowded. </p>
<p>I am sure those who want to seal Britain off from the outside world would be happy to live at 1871 levels of income, home conveniences and medical care.</p>
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		<title>By: John P.</title>
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		<dc:creator>John P.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Jul 2009 16:07:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>People here claim Britian is a relatively undercrwowded country. Your population is twice that of Canada, and Britian&#039;s surface area less that a 40tieth of Canada&#039;s.

You are indeed a very crowded country.

Southern Ontario which is about the same size of the UK and which has &quot;only&quot; 12 million people already feels crowded to me.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>People here claim Britian is a relatively undercrwowded country. Your population is twice that of Canada, and Britian&#8217;s surface area less that a 40tieth of Canada&#8217;s.</p>
<p>You are indeed a very crowded country.</p>
<p>Southern Ontario which is about the same size of the UK and which has &#8220;only&#8221; 12 million people already feels crowded to me.</p>
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		<title>By: hasan prishtina</title>
		<link>http://hurryupharry.org/2009/07/08/sink-them/comment-page-2/#comment-365514</link>
		<dc:creator>hasan prishtina</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Jul 2009 14:01:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;How much of their own food do Monaco, Singapore and Hong Kong produce?&lt;/i&gt;

Why should Monaco, Singapore and Hong Kong produce any of their own food? Perhaps your comment tells us all we need to know: we should all live in hermetic autarkic boxes of Blut und Boden. 

Meanwhile, in the real world, people trade things that they want with each other. The Norwegians sell the Americans oil and then buy grain from the Americans. Incredible. Indeed, the Dutch haven&#039;t been producing enough to feed themselves since the seventeenth century, yet somehow the Dutch have remained one of the richest and most densely-populated countries on earth. 

&lt;i&gt;I can’t see what well-off property investors buying villas in Bulgaria has got to do with overcrowding and downward pressure on wages in the UK…but I’m sure you’ll enlighten me.&lt;/i&gt;

Ask the BNP&#039;s opposite number in Bulgaria, ATAKA. They&#039;re not best pleased with the invasion of their country and the large-scale destruction of Bulgarian village culture by foreign invaders with no interest in learning the language, let alone assimilating. You might say they feel swamped.

Wage costs are still rising. The difference is at the moment they are no longer outstripping inflation, which they were, by a factor of two, last year. You might also have noticed that this phenomenon is not restricted to the UK; there is a global recession on, you know.

Perhaps you can also tell us why Polish and Lithuanian workers have been returning home for the last few year or so. And can you  comment on the 300,000 mostly recently-immigranted French living in the UK?

&lt;i&gt;It’s the subject of conversation just about everywhere you go. Perhaps not in fashionable Cockfosters, but still.&lt;/i&gt;

I&#039;ve never been to Cockfosters so I don&#039;t even know if it&#039;s fashionable or not, but I don&#039;t hear about overcrowding &quot;just about everywhere I go.&quot; I hear about the economy, about politicians, about immigration. But not overcrowding. It doesn&#039;t seem to have been picked up that much by the polling organizations which is odd, if this is self-evidently true.

&lt;i&gt;If we can both concede that perception is everything and that most sane people prefer to live in less densely populated areas with plenty of greenery and clean air, why can’t those of you who advocate open borders go and live somewhere else? Try Bangladesh, Egypt or the Lebanon.&lt;/i&gt;

None of the countries you mention all have the closed areas and the border controls about which you are so keen. Your repetition of poor countries as opposed to countries with higher-density, a higher proportion of immigrants, and greater wealth does lend one to think that with the presence of people who are not &quot;pure&quot; English, Scottish, Welsh or Nothern Irish, Britain has no future other than destitution. I think of the UK as a great, innovative and resourceful country; I cannot understand why you hold Britain in contempt. 

&lt;i&gt;If we can both concede that perception is everything and that most sane people prefer to live in less densely populated areas with plenty of greenery and clean air,&lt;/i&gt;

Which is why over 90% of Britain&#039;s population lives in cities, and one in four Britons lives in a city of over one million people, leaving large parts of the country relatively sparsely populated. Perhaps you would prefer to live in a country where most people are &quot;sane&quot; and the great majority live in rural areas with low population density and clean air. Such as Afghanistan, Sri Lanka or Papua New Guinea.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>How much of their own food do Monaco, Singapore and Hong Kong produce?</i></p>
<p>Why should Monaco, Singapore and Hong Kong produce any of their own food? Perhaps your comment tells us all we need to know: we should all live in hermetic autarkic boxes of Blut und Boden. </p>
<p>Meanwhile, in the real world, people trade things that they want with each other. The Norwegians sell the Americans oil and then buy grain from the Americans. Incredible. Indeed, the Dutch haven&#8217;t been producing enough to feed themselves since the seventeenth century, yet somehow the Dutch have remained one of the richest and most densely-populated countries on earth. </p>
<p><i>I can’t see what well-off property investors buying villas in Bulgaria has got to do with overcrowding and downward pressure on wages in the UK…but I’m sure you’ll enlighten me.</i></p>
<p>Ask the BNP&#8217;s opposite number in Bulgaria, ATAKA. They&#8217;re not best pleased with the invasion of their country and the large-scale destruction of Bulgarian village culture by foreign invaders with no interest in learning the language, let alone assimilating. You might say they feel swamped.</p>
<p>Wage costs are still rising. The difference is at the moment they are no longer outstripping inflation, which they were, by a factor of two, last year. You might also have noticed that this phenomenon is not restricted to the UK; there is a global recession on, you know.</p>
<p>Perhaps you can also tell us why Polish and Lithuanian workers have been returning home for the last few year or so. And can you  comment on the 300,000 mostly recently-immigranted French living in the UK?</p>
<p><i>It’s the subject of conversation just about everywhere you go. Perhaps not in fashionable Cockfosters, but still.</i></p>
<p>I&#8217;ve never been to Cockfosters so I don&#8217;t even know if it&#8217;s fashionable or not, but I don&#8217;t hear about overcrowding &#8220;just about everywhere I go.&#8221; I hear about the economy, about politicians, about immigration. But not overcrowding. It doesn&#8217;t seem to have been picked up that much by the polling organizations which is odd, if this is self-evidently true.</p>
<p><i>If we can both concede that perception is everything and that most sane people prefer to live in less densely populated areas with plenty of greenery and clean air, why can’t those of you who advocate open borders go and live somewhere else? Try Bangladesh, Egypt or the Lebanon.</i></p>
<p>None of the countries you mention all have the closed areas and the border controls about which you are so keen. Your repetition of poor countries as opposed to countries with higher-density, a higher proportion of immigrants, and greater wealth does lend one to think that with the presence of people who are not &#8220;pure&#8221; English, Scottish, Welsh or Nothern Irish, Britain has no future other than destitution. I think of the UK as a great, innovative and resourceful country; I cannot understand why you hold Britain in contempt. </p>
<p><i>If we can both concede that perception is everything and that most sane people prefer to live in less densely populated areas with plenty of greenery and clean air,</i></p>
<p>Which is why over 90% of Britain&#8217;s population lives in cities, and one in four Britons lives in a city of over one million people, leaving large parts of the country relatively sparsely populated. Perhaps you would prefer to live in a country where most people are &#8220;sane&#8221; and the great majority live in rural areas with low population density and clean air. Such as Afghanistan, Sri Lanka or Papua New Guinea.</p>
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		<title>By: Right Not Racist</title>
		<link>http://hurryupharry.org/2009/07/08/sink-them/comment-page-2/#comment-365470</link>
		<dc:creator>Right Not Racist</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Jul 2009 12:22:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Emmanuel Goldstein, you are missing the point here. 

&lt;em&gt;Here’s a list of UK serial killers. All of them are white; of the 40, seven are women, the rest are white men. Here are some sex offender stats. Of the sex offenders convicted for offences against minors, something like 93% are white men&lt;/em&gt;

It is not controversial to talk about the racial dimension to e.g. paedophilia, nor should it be. I don&#039;t think anyone has a problem with discussing the fact that most paedophiles are white. 

The question remains why is it so difficult to admit the racial dimension to gang crime in London? The pictures in the paper tell the story- everyone knows it. Why should it be more difficult to talk about black gang members than white paedophiles?

Why are none of the left wing anti-BNP blogs prepared to even MENTION a race-based news story which is in all the major newspapers and causes people genuine concern?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Emmanuel Goldstein, you are missing the point here. </p>
<p><em>Here’s a list of UK serial killers. All of them are white; of the 40, seven are women, the rest are white men. Here are some sex offender stats. Of the sex offenders convicted for offences against minors, something like 93% are white men</em></p>
<p>It is not controversial to talk about the racial dimension to e.g. paedophilia, nor should it be. I don&#8217;t think anyone has a problem with discussing the fact that most paedophiles are white. </p>
<p>The question remains why is it so difficult to admit the racial dimension to gang crime in London? The pictures in the paper tell the story- everyone knows it. Why should it be more difficult to talk about black gang members than white paedophiles?</p>
<p>Why are none of the left wing anti-BNP blogs prepared to even MENTION a race-based news story which is in all the major newspapers and causes people genuine concern?</p>
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		<title>By: comstock</title>
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		<dc:creator>comstock</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Jul 2009 10:54:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>i am a labour backbencher with an expense account living in primrose hill and  i have never  suffered overcrowding, my little dog trotsky, and i have all the room in the world in thw wilder parts of regents park  so there!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i am a labour backbencher with an expense account living in primrose hill and  i have never  suffered overcrowding, my little dog trotsky, and i have all the room in the world in thw wilder parts of regents park  so there!</p>
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		<title>By: Barbara Suzuki</title>
		<link>http://hurryupharry.org/2009/07/08/sink-them/comment-page-2/#comment-365355</link>
		<dc:creator>Barbara Suzuki</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Jul 2009 08:20:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To FreshThinking;

According to the BNP manifesto, it would cut ALL foreign aid, and would bring ALL troops home to UK.

Presumably the Royal Navy and Royal Air Force would be redeployed sinking asylum seekers&#039; ships, and the Army would be fully occupied quelling civil outrage.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To FreshThinking;</p>
<p>According to the BNP manifesto, it would cut ALL foreign aid, and would bring ALL troops home to UK.</p>
<p>Presumably the Royal Navy and Royal Air Force would be redeployed sinking asylum seekers&#8217; ships, and the Army would be fully occupied quelling civil outrage.</p>
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		<title>By: Barbara Suzuki</title>
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		<dc:creator>Barbara Suzuki</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Jul 2009 08:19:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>About time too. Foreign aid is a waste of money which retards the development of african nations. Most of it goes into the hands of corrupt politicans and thugs and makes the situation worse.

To FreshThinking;

According to the BNP manifesto, it would cut ALL foreign aid, and would bring ALL troops home to UK.

Preumably the Royal Navy and Royal Air Force would be redeployed sinking asylum seekers&#039; ships, and the Army would be fully occupied quelling civil outrage.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>About time too. Foreign aid is a waste of money which retards the development of african nations. Most of it goes into the hands of corrupt politicans and thugs and makes the situation worse.</p>
<p>To FreshThinking;</p>
<p>According to the BNP manifesto, it would cut ALL foreign aid, and would bring ALL troops home to UK.</p>
<p>Preumably the Royal Navy and Royal Air Force would be redeployed sinking asylum seekers&#8217; ships, and the Army would be fully occupied quelling civil outrage.</p>
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		<title>By: spectrum</title>
		<link>http://hurryupharry.org/2009/07/08/sink-them/comment-page-2/#comment-365348</link>
		<dc:creator>spectrum</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Jul 2009 07:22:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Now let&#039;s be fair. Although he said sink the boats he also said he wasn&#039;t advocating murdering the immigrants but throwing them life-belts/boats so they could go back to where they came from. I guess he&#039;s not taking responsibility for the fact that its probably difficult to swim a few hundred miles.

This painting of Griffin as a heartless racist Nazi blinds us to his sensitive side.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Now let&#8217;s be fair. Although he said sink the boats he also said he wasn&#8217;t advocating murdering the immigrants but throwing them life-belts/boats so they could go back to where they came from. I guess he&#8217;s not taking responsibility for the fact that its probably difficult to swim a few hundred miles.</p>
<p>This painting of Griffin as a heartless racist Nazi blinds us to his sensitive side.</p>
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