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	<description>Liberty, if it means anything, is the right to tell people what they don&#039;t want to hear</description>
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		<title>By: Israelinurse</title>
		<link>http://hurryupharry.org/2009/07/07/war-on-truth/comment-page-3/#comment-364824</link>
		<dc:creator>Israelinurse</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Jul 2009 23:22:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Carol -Amen to that!</description>
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		<title>By: Israelinurse</title>
		<link>http://hurryupharry.org/2009/07/07/war-on-truth/comment-page-3/#comment-364822</link>
		<dc:creator>Israelinurse</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Jul 2009 23:13:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Margaret -I know someone at the Esmee Fairburn Foundation -I&#039;ll give it a try in the morning.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Margaret -I know someone at the Esmee Fairburn Foundation -I&#8217;ll give it a try in the morning.</p>
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		<title>By: This is whatToynbee Hall has been sending out</title>
		<link>http://hurryupharry.org/2009/07/07/war-on-truth/comment-page-2/#comment-364805</link>
		<dc:creator>This is whatToynbee Hall has been sending out</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Jul 2009 22:14:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Usual BS:

Thank you for getting in contact with us to complain about Toynbee Hall being used as a venue for one of the publication launch events for the book ‘Israeli Apartheid’ by Ben White on 9th July 2009. 
 
The booking for 9th July 2009 is in fact from the organisation War on Want a registered charity and company limited by guarantee that receives funds from the British Government, the European Commission and several trust funders. This is an established anti-poverty organisation which is independent and non-party political and which has a strong commitment to policies of social justice, human rights and fighting discrimination. On this basis we have no organisational nor legal reason to believe that the booking should be cancelled. 
 
We appreciate that the views contained in this publication are not ones that you support. Toynbee Hall supports the freedom of speech in line with the Universal Declaration. You would be welcome to hold a debate about this at Toynbee Hall, subject of course to our normal booking procedures.  
 
As with all our room bookings and events, Toynbee Hall cannot be held responsible for any views expressed by hirers and their representatives.
 
Any complaints about this event and the publication should be directed to War on Want.
 
Yours sincerely
Graham Fisher</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Usual BS:</p>
<p>Thank you for getting in contact with us to complain about Toynbee Hall being used as a venue for one of the publication launch events for the book ‘Israeli Apartheid’ by Ben White on 9th July 2009. </p>
<p>The booking for 9th July 2009 is in fact from the organisation War on Want a registered charity and company limited by guarantee that receives funds from the British Government, the European Commission and several trust funders. This is an established anti-poverty organisation which is independent and non-party political and which has a strong commitment to policies of social justice, human rights and fighting discrimination. On this basis we have no organisational nor legal reason to believe that the booking should be cancelled. </p>
<p>We appreciate that the views contained in this publication are not ones that you support. Toynbee Hall supports the freedom of speech in line with the Universal Declaration. You would be welcome to hold a debate about this at Toynbee Hall, subject of course to our normal booking procedures.  </p>
<p>As with all our room bookings and events, Toynbee Hall cannot be held responsible for any views expressed by hirers and their representatives.</p>
<p>Any complaints about this event and the publication should be directed to War on Want.</p>
<p>Yours sincerely<br />
Graham Fisher</p>
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		<title>By: Shrewsfan</title>
		<link>http://hurryupharry.org/2009/07/07/war-on-truth/comment-page-2/#comment-364691</link>
		<dc:creator>Shrewsfan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Jul 2009 16:59:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ Yohoho - I believe so, he is certainly sympathetic to them and he is also a chum of Stephen Sizer&#039;s.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ Yohoho &#8211; I believe so, he is certainly sympathetic to them and he is also a chum of Stephen Sizer&#8217;s.</p>
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		<title>By: Yohoho</title>
		<link>http://hurryupharry.org/2009/07/07/war-on-truth/comment-page-2/#comment-364687</link>
		<dc:creator>Yohoho</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Jul 2009 16:50:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jonathan, is Garth Hewitt a member of Sabeel?  If so, that explains the divorcement from reality.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jonathan, is Garth Hewitt a member of Sabeel?  If so, that explains the divorcement from reality.</p>
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		<title>By: Roley Poley Dahl</title>
		<link>http://hurryupharry.org/2009/07/07/war-on-truth/comment-page-2/#comment-364686</link>
		<dc:creator>Roley Poley Dahl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Jul 2009 16:49:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wow, what a superb thread. Thank you Chas, zkharya and Jonathan. Your analysis has given me a much better understanding of the awful writings of Ben White than any attendance at Toynbee Hall ever could. Graham Fisher at Toynbee Hall, having hosted Islamic extremist bouncers recently and now these excluders of a Zionist Federation representative, seems to be giving Toynbee Hall a lot of problems. I will best avoid those problems by avoiding Toynbee Hall and reading Harry&#039;s Place instead.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow, what a superb thread. Thank you Chas, zkharya and Jonathan. Your analysis has given me a much better understanding of the awful writings of Ben White than any attendance at Toynbee Hall ever could. Graham Fisher at Toynbee Hall, having hosted Islamic extremist bouncers recently and now these excluders of a Zionist Federation representative, seems to be giving Toynbee Hall a lot of problems. I will best avoid those problems by avoiding Toynbee Hall and reading Harry&#8217;s Place instead.</p>
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		<title>By: zkharya</title>
		<link>http://hurryupharry.org/2009/07/07/war-on-truth/comment-page-2/#comment-364674</link>
		<dc:creator>zkharya</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Jul 2009 16:21:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Do you suppose one will see Ben White&#039;s writing of his new home anytime soon

Brazilian Apartheid: a Beginner&#039;s Guide?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_apartheid_in_Brazil</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Do you suppose one will see Ben White&#8217;s writing of his new home anytime soon</p>
<p>Brazilian Apartheid: a Beginner&#8217;s Guide?</p>
<p><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_apartheid_in_Brazil" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_apartheid_in_Brazil</a></p>
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		<title>By: Philo-Semite</title>
		<link>http://hurryupharry.org/2009/07/07/war-on-truth/comment-page-2/#comment-364665</link>
		<dc:creator>Philo-Semite</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Jul 2009 15:59:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Islam is not simply a religion. It is a religion combined with an aggressive, imperialist, expansionist, triumphalist, auhtoritarian political ideology. That ideology is as dangerous to human freedom as were communism and fascism. That ideology must and should be fought and particularly not allowed to hide behind the protections offered religion.

The problem, however, is that triumphalist ideology is inherent to Islam. Thus, the problem becomes one of separating Islam from its core - a task more complex than the Reformation&#039;s separation of Church power from secular government.

A further danger is the left&#039;s enthusiasm for acting as collaborators - a fifth column, actually - of Islam. It seems to do so for 3 reasons:
1. Enthusiasm for any anti-Western ideology, no matter how murderous, from Maoism to Islam.
2. Reverse racism, with the left erroneously assuming most Israelis white and most Arabs/Muslims brown.
3. More-than-vestigial European anti-Semitism woven into the culture over two millennia.

Thus the banning of pro-Jewish spokesman from a War on Want event is merely one more disgraceful milepost on the long march towards complete support by the European left for (1) triumphalist Islam and (2) the elimination of the Jews.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Islam is not simply a religion. It is a religion combined with an aggressive, imperialist, expansionist, triumphalist, auhtoritarian political ideology. That ideology is as dangerous to human freedom as were communism and fascism. That ideology must and should be fought and particularly not allowed to hide behind the protections offered religion.</p>
<p>The problem, however, is that triumphalist ideology is inherent to Islam. Thus, the problem becomes one of separating Islam from its core &#8211; a task more complex than the Reformation&#8217;s separation of Church power from secular government.</p>
<p>A further danger is the left&#8217;s enthusiasm for acting as collaborators &#8211; a fifth column, actually &#8211; of Islam. It seems to do so for 3 reasons:<br />
1. Enthusiasm for any anti-Western ideology, no matter how murderous, from Maoism to Islam.<br />
2. Reverse racism, with the left erroneously assuming most Israelis white and most Arabs/Muslims brown.<br />
3. More-than-vestigial European anti-Semitism woven into the culture over two millennia.</p>
<p>Thus the banning of pro-Jewish spokesman from a War on Want event is merely one more disgraceful milepost on the long march towards complete support by the European left for (1) triumphalist Islam and (2) the elimination of the Jews.</p>
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		<title>By: Jonathan</title>
		<link>http://hurryupharry.org/2009/07/07/war-on-truth/comment-page-2/#comment-364655</link>
		<dc:creator>Jonathan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Jul 2009 15:26:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>One of the 17 accolades at the front of the book: 

&quot;This is a very honest, clear and powerful book bringing us face to face with the reality of what Israel has done and is doing to the Palestinians. It would be convenient to ignore it. It would be convenient to assume Ben has got it wrong - that it&#039;s not quite that bad. Sadly it is and we ignore it at everyone&#039;s peril.&quot;

- Garth Hewitt, Canon of St George&#039;s Cathedral, Jerusalem

What a joke</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One of the 17 accolades at the front of the book: </p>
<p>&#8220;This is a very honest, clear and powerful book bringing us face to face with the reality of what Israel has done and is doing to the Palestinians. It would be convenient to ignore it. It would be convenient to assume Ben has got it wrong &#8211; that it&#8217;s not quite that bad. Sadly it is and we ignore it at everyone&#8217;s peril.&#8221;</p>
<p>- Garth Hewitt, Canon of St George&#8217;s Cathedral, Jerusalem</p>
<p>What a joke</p>
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		<title>By: Shrewsfan</title>
		<link>http://hurryupharry.org/2009/07/07/war-on-truth/comment-page-2/#comment-364643</link>
		<dc:creator>Shrewsfan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Jul 2009 14:52:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Zhakrya,
No worries.... Plenty of non-evangelicals use evangelical terminology to mean things quite different to how genuine evangelicals would understand them - I would put White into that non-evangelical category. Thankfully, most of White&#039;s writings appear in theologically liberal publications like the Church of England Newspaper and the Church Times, rather than in authentically evangelical publications like (say) The Briefing or Evangelical Times. 

Stephen Sizer does indeed profess to be evangelical, be assured though that there are many evangelicals, myself included who (a) have a different understanding of the Bible to him and who (b) are well aware of his insidious anti-Zionist and antisemitic agenda, and distance ourselves from it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Zhakrya,<br />
No worries&#8230;. Plenty of non-evangelicals use evangelical terminology to mean things quite different to how genuine evangelicals would understand them &#8211; I would put White into that non-evangelical category. Thankfully, most of White&#8217;s writings appear in theologically liberal publications like the Church of England Newspaper and the Church Times, rather than in authentically evangelical publications like (say) The Briefing or Evangelical Times. </p>
<p>Stephen Sizer does indeed profess to be evangelical, be assured though that there are many evangelicals, myself included who (a) have a different understanding of the Bible to him and who (b) are well aware of his insidious anti-Zionist and antisemitic agenda, and distance ourselves from it.</p>
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