Comments on: 2 pints of lager and a packet of BNP leaflets http://hurryupharry.org/2009/07/07/2-pints-of-lager-and-a-packet-of-bnp-leaflets/ Liberty, if it means anything, is the right to tell people what they don't want to hear Fri, 25 May 2012 19:44:30 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.2 hourly 1 By: aunti nats http://hurryupharry.org/2009/07/07/2-pints-of-lager-and-a-packet-of-bnp-leaflets/comment-page-2/#comment-388040 aunti nats Sat, 12 Sep 2009 19:34:20 +0000 http://www.hurryupharry.org/?p=19006#comment-388040 Unfortunatly i live in the lovely town pictured and would like to give a little back ground. The pub euphemistically called a bistro serves a huge belly buster fry up as its most popular dish which might explain alot about its apparant cliantel. It faces both a popular indian restaurant and ghurka restaurant,and closes for public drinking very early in the afternoon which seems to indicate the publican has a few concerns about who might want to come and soak up the ambiance later in the day. Whatever else we can say posing for photos with people sieg heiling seems a particularly brainless thing to do as a public face of a party constantly denying any facist leanings. Unfortunatly i live in the lovely town pictured and would like to give a little back ground. The pub euphemistically called a bistro serves a huge belly buster fry up as its most popular dish which might explain alot about its apparant cliantel. It faces both a popular indian restaurant and ghurka restaurant,and closes for public drinking very early in the afternoon which seems to indicate the publican has a few concerns about who might want to come and soak up the ambiance later in the day.
Whatever else we can say posing for photos with people sieg heiling seems a particularly brainless thing to do as a public face of a party constantly denying any facist leanings.

]]> By: Loup Dargent http://hurryupharry.org/2009/07/07/2-pints-of-lager-and-a-packet-of-bnp-leaflets/comment-page-2/#comment-369141 Loup Dargent Wed, 22 Jul 2009 12:10:11 +0000 http://www.hurryupharry.org/?p=19006#comment-369141 Edmund Standing "...the idea that opposing a political party is ‘undemocratic’ just shows how little the BNP and its supporters/defenders understand about democracy." To be fair, BNP supporters don't mind at all us opposing political parties ... As long as we don't oppose the BNP, that is ;-) Edmund Standing

“…the idea that opposing a political party is ‘undemocratic’ just shows how little the BNP and its supporters/defenders understand about democracy.”

To be fair, BNP supporters don’t mind at all us opposing political parties …

As long as we don’t oppose the BNP, that is ;-)

]]> By: Ben http://hurryupharry.org/2009/07/07/2-pints-of-lager-and-a-packet-of-bnp-leaflets/comment-page-1/#comment-364796 Ben Wed, 08 Jul 2009 21:52:11 +0000 http://www.hurryupharry.org/?p=19006#comment-364796 Wardy, by the way, I would hesitate to describe this as blog-based bickering. Sounds rather flippant. That's merely what's going on here. In the real world, fascist thugs intimidate people and make their lives a misery. It's a little more than some nice middle class people rabbitting on on some blogs. The point is that fascists are not like other politicians, even when their parties are legal. Their ends are always unconstitutional, their effects in terms of a climate of fear and intimidation on the areas they are active in are opposed to everything we believe, and the general behaviour of their members often involves low (or not so low) level criminality. It is not enough, or frankly acceptable, to sit down and say "well, they're just the same as Labour or Tory, except that they have some unpleasant views I disagree with". This just isn't true. So much for hardly being bothered... Wardy, by the way, I would hesitate to describe this as blog-based bickering. Sounds rather flippant. That’s merely what’s going on here. In the real world, fascist thugs intimidate people and make their lives a misery. It’s a little more than some nice middle class people rabbitting on on some blogs.

The point is that fascists are not like other politicians, even when their parties are legal. Their ends are always unconstitutional, their effects in terms of a climate of fear and intimidation on the areas they are active in are opposed to everything we believe, and the general behaviour of their members often involves low (or not so low) level criminality.

It is not enough, or frankly acceptable, to sit down and say “well, they’re just the same as Labour or Tory, except that they have some unpleasant views I disagree with”. This just isn’t true.

So much for hardly being bothered…

]]> By: Ben http://hurryupharry.org/2009/07/07/2-pints-of-lager-and-a-packet-of-bnp-leaflets/comment-page-1/#comment-364791 Ben Wed, 08 Jul 2009 21:35:40 +0000 http://www.hurryupharry.org/?p=19006#comment-364791 For goodness sake, people. Frankly I can hardly be bothered given that this is entirely hypothetical, but you're saying that if it turned out that this guy was infringing legislation or Council-imposed regulations you wouldn't a) welcome this pub being shut down? b) That you would actively decry it? Or c) that you would go so far as to "Defend the Bistro One"? Just because you would be inclined to think that because the guy's a fascist you would expect that the discovery of infringements would've been carried out at the request of nasty authoritarian progressive types? Or you would expect some evidence to that effect before decrying the pub's closure? What would constitute this evidence? Would you want all the other pubs in the borough to have been checked on the same day? Week? Month? Would you go so far as to suggest (as I recall some saying with respect to Saddam being reinstated after the liberation) that we should keep the pub open/re-open it despite it infringing laws because nasty busy-body do-gooders in the Council ordered a check-up? Only if you thought it had been closed after a politically motivated inspection? Or just because it would "play into the BNP's hands" even if it was part of a rolling programme of checks? I think it would be a damn good thing to legally, legitimately and constitutionally remove what is presumably a source of ongoing revenue for the BNP as well as a base for organising from their calculations. And I wouldn't really mind if the Council's snoopers hadn't been to all of the other pubs in the same area to check things out in the same week. But, you know, that's just my classic nasty new Labour ways which are the other side of the same coin to the BNP and essentially Stalinist to boot. Frankly, I find it astonishing that I'm allowed to peddle my dangerous extremist nonsense around these parts. It's just not cricket, you know. For goodness sake, people.

Frankly I can hardly be bothered given that this is entirely hypothetical, but you’re saying that if it turned out that this guy was infringing legislation or Council-imposed regulations you wouldn’t a) welcome this pub being shut down? b) That you would actively decry it? Or c) that you would go so far as to “Defend the Bistro One”?

Just because you would be inclined to think that because the guy’s a fascist you would expect that the discovery of infringements would’ve been carried out at the request of nasty authoritarian progressive types? Or you would expect some evidence to that effect before decrying the pub’s closure? What would constitute this evidence? Would you want all the other pubs in the borough to have been checked on the same day? Week? Month?

Would you go so far as to suggest (as I recall some saying with respect to Saddam being reinstated after the liberation) that we should keep the pub open/re-open it despite it infringing laws because nasty busy-body do-gooders in the Council ordered a check-up? Only if you thought it had been closed after a politically motivated inspection? Or just because it would “play into the BNP’s hands” even if it was part of a rolling programme of checks?

I think it would be a damn good thing to legally, legitimately and constitutionally remove what is presumably a source of ongoing revenue for the BNP as well as a base for organising from their calculations. And I wouldn’t really mind if the Council’s snoopers hadn’t been to all of the other pubs in the same area to check things out in the same week. But, you know, that’s just my classic nasty new Labour ways which are the other side of the same coin to the BNP and essentially Stalinist to boot.

Frankly, I find it astonishing that I’m allowed to peddle my dangerous extremist nonsense around these parts. It’s just not cricket, you know.

]]> By: Venichka http://hurryupharry.org/2009/07/07/2-pints-of-lager-and-a-packet-of-bnp-leaflets/comment-page-1/#comment-364765 Venichka Wed, 08 Jul 2009 20:07:12 +0000 http://www.hurryupharry.org/?p=19006#comment-364765 Of course the law needs to be applied equally and neutrally and not in a vendettaesque fashion intended unfairly to target specific groups of people who are behaving in identical ways as other groups not being targetted in a vendetta. Go down that road we are implementing the type of rule of law that characterises Putin's Russia. Fuck that. This why I don't as a rule trust self-styled "anti-racists", who if anything by their policies facilitate the same ends of those they, ostensibly, seek to oppose. Of course the law needs to be applied equally and neutrally and not in a vendettaesque fashion intended unfairly to target specific groups of people who are behaving in identical ways as other groups not being targetted in a vendetta.

Go down that road we are implementing the type of rule of law that characterises Putin’s Russia. Fuck that.

This why I don’t as a rule trust self-styled “anti-racists”, who if anything by their policies facilitate the same ends of those they, ostensibly, seek to oppose.

]]> By: Old Sailor http://hurryupharry.org/2009/07/07/2-pints-of-lager-and-a-packet-of-bnp-leaflets/comment-page-1/#comment-364755 Old Sailor Wed, 08 Jul 2009 19:42:19 +0000 http://www.hurryupharry.org/?p=19006#comment-364755 The law is not neutral unless it is enforced. Serving drunks intent on a breach of the peace is a breach of the law. Time Plod enforced the law with regard to this or any other pub. And judging by the whinges here it is obviously not counter productive. Old Sailor The law is not neutral unless it is enforced. Serving drunks intent on a breach of the peace is a breach of the law.

Time Plod enforced the law with regard to this or any other pub.

And judging by the whinges here it is obviously not counter productive.

Old Sailor

]]> By: wardytron http://hurryupharry.org/2009/07/07/2-pints-of-lager-and-a-packet-of-bnp-leaflets/comment-page-1/#comment-364752 wardytron Wed, 08 Jul 2009 19:34:45 +0000 http://www.hurryupharry.org/?p=19006#comment-364752 Maybe, but she's correct when she says the law should be neutral and not used a political weapon against one's enemies. Although I disagree with "Not just because it’s wrong, but because it will be counterproductive." It would be at least as wrong if wasn't counterproductive. The law needs to be above petty blog-based bickering between the BNP and self-declared anti-fascists. It needs to be more dignified and grownup than that. It could hardly be less. Maybe, but she’s correct when she says the law should be neutral and not used a political weapon against one’s enemies. Although I disagree with “Not just because it’s wrong, but because it will be counterproductive.” It would be at least as wrong if wasn’t counterproductive. The law needs to be above petty blog-based bickering between the BNP and self-declared anti-fascists. It needs to be more dignified and grownup than that. It could hardly be less.

]]> By: Wigaround http://hurryupharry.org/2009/07/07/2-pints-of-lager-and-a-packet-of-bnp-leaflets/comment-page-1/#comment-364729 Wigaround Wed, 08 Jul 2009 18:37:07 +0000 http://www.hurryupharry.org/?p=19006#comment-364729 GOD - you are tedious JuliaM. GOD – you are tedious JuliaM.

]]> By: JuliaM http://hurryupharry.org/2009/07/07/2-pints-of-lager-and-a-packet-of-bnp-leaflets/comment-page-1/#comment-364720 JuliaM Wed, 08 Jul 2009 18:28:44 +0000 http://www.hurryupharry.org/?p=19006#comment-364720 <i>"If the arsehole who runs this pub and encourages Nutzies to frequent it breaks the law on Public Health matters and serves short measures then He is not going about a lawful business - Is he ??"</i> The operative word there being 'if'.... <i>"JuliaM, if some Nutcase wants to trail his coat then don’t complain if the law is used to make sure that coat is well trodden on !"</i> Personally, I think the law should be neutral, and not used as a political weapon against one's enemies. Don't you? Or would you eagerly endorse people encouraging state scrutiny against any publican endorsing SWP meetings too? “If the arsehole who runs this pub and encourages Nutzies to frequent it breaks the law on Public Health matters and serves short measures then He is not going about a lawful business – Is he ??”

The operative word there being ‘if’….

“JuliaM, if some Nutcase wants to trail his coat then don’t complain if the law is used to make sure that coat is well trodden on !”

Personally, I think the law should be neutral, and not used as a political weapon against one’s enemies. Don’t you? Or would you eagerly endorse people encouraging state scrutiny against any publican endorsing SWP meetings too?

]]> By: Old Sailor http://hurryupharry.org/2009/07/07/2-pints-of-lager-and-a-packet-of-bnp-leaflets/comment-page-1/#comment-364705 Old Sailor Wed, 08 Jul 2009 17:40:19 +0000 http://www.hurryupharry.org/?p=19006#comment-364705 Oi JuliaM If the arsehole who runs this pub and encourages Nutzies to frequent it breaks the law on Public Health matters and serves short measures then <B>He is not going about a lawful business - Is he ??</B> If the Nutzie scumbags get tanked up and start breaching the peace and insulting any non white they encounter then the publican is in breach of his duty in law not to serve drunks ! B>He is not going about a lawful business - Is he ??</B> JuliaM, if some Nutcase wants to trail his coat then don't complain if the law is used to make sure that coat is well trodden on !## Old Sailor Oi JuliaM

If the arsehole who runs this pub and encourages Nutzies to frequent it breaks the law on Public Health matters and serves short measures then He is not going about a lawful business – Is he ??

If the Nutzie scumbags get tanked up and start breaching the peace and insulting any non white they encounter then the publican is in breach of his duty in law not to serve drunks ! B>He is not going about a lawful business – Is he ??

JuliaM, if some Nutcase wants to trail his coat then don’t complain if the law is used to make sure that coat is well trodden on !##

Old Sailor

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