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		<title>By: vildechaye</title>
		<link>http://hurryupharry.org/2009/07/06/murderous-bigotry/comment-page-3/#comment-364863</link>
		<dc:creator>vildechaye</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Jul 2009 05:02:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>RE: Now then, pleasantries out of the way. How fucking dare you accuse me of being an anti-semite, you fucking presumptuous little cunt? etc etc etc etc.

Simple, really, I never called you an anti-semite, so it&#039;s rather funny that you suggest that I should read your posts, when you clearly can&#039;t read mine... and they&#039;re generally short.

One last thing. All that absurd swearing and cussing doesn&#039;t advance your &quot;argument&quot; one iota. Try reasoned argument instead. It works wonders. 

Finally, I&#039;m not from the UK, and  calling me a &quot;cunt&quot; is stupid, not to mention sexist and boorish. Have a nice day, &quot;ben&quot;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>RE: Now then, pleasantries out of the way. How fucking dare you accuse me of being an anti-semite, you fucking presumptuous little cunt? etc etc etc etc.</p>
<p>Simple, really, I never called you an anti-semite, so it&#8217;s rather funny that you suggest that I should read your posts, when you clearly can&#8217;t read mine&#8230; and they&#8217;re generally short.</p>
<p>One last thing. All that absurd swearing and cussing doesn&#8217;t advance your &#8220;argument&#8221; one iota. Try reasoned argument instead. It works wonders. </p>
<p>Finally, I&#8217;m not from the UK, and  calling me a &#8220;cunt&#8221; is stupid, not to mention sexist and boorish. Have a nice day, &#8220;ben&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: Philo-Semite</title>
		<link>http://hurryupharry.org/2009/07/06/murderous-bigotry/comment-page-3/#comment-364828</link>
		<dc:creator>Philo-Semite</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Jul 2009 23:42:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Absent from this thread (and from the minds of Egyptians clamoring for revenge) is any mention of the restrictions upon Islamic dress imposed by majority-Muslim states such as Turkey and Tunisia.</description>
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		<title>By: Philo-Semite</title>
		<link>http://hurryupharry.org/2009/07/06/murderous-bigotry/comment-page-3/#comment-364748</link>
		<dc:creator>Philo-Semite</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Jul 2009 19:26:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Klinsharter, Nick, and Paul M make very good points.

ermintrude mis-states: &quot;Or perhaps you think it is acceptable for anyone to march up to total strangers and start roundly abusing them, terrifying their small children, simply because of the way in which they dress.&quot;

This is incorrect. Axel did not &quot;march up to&quot; el-Sherbini. El-Sherbini approached Axel to inquire about a swing. Axel responded with insults. That makes him rude but no more, as he apparently did NOT initiate the contact. Had he initiated the contact, it certainly would have been harassment. However, as he did not, he committed only the thought crime of &quot;hate speech&quot;.

How much comfort is the &quot;hate speech&quot; conviction to el-Sherbini now?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Klinsharter, Nick, and Paul M make very good points.</p>
<p>ermintrude mis-states: &#8220;Or perhaps you think it is acceptable for anyone to march up to total strangers and start roundly abusing them, terrifying their small children, simply because of the way in which they dress.&#8221;</p>
<p>This is incorrect. Axel did not &#8220;march up to&#8221; el-Sherbini. El-Sherbini approached Axel to inquire about a swing. Axel responded with insults. That makes him rude but no more, as he apparently did NOT initiate the contact. Had he initiated the contact, it certainly would have been harassment. However, as he did not, he committed only the thought crime of &#8220;hate speech&#8221;.</p>
<p>How much comfort is the &#8220;hate speech&#8221; conviction to el-Sherbini now?</p>
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		<title>By: Philo-Semite</title>
		<link>http://hurryupharry.org/2009/07/06/murderous-bigotry/comment-page-3/#comment-364740</link>
		<dc:creator>Philo-Semite</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Jul 2009 19:09:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ermin wrote, &quot;I think you will find, if you were to do some digging (as opposed to smearing) that you will find that Axel W was not convicted of the crime of insulting religion (which I think is not actually a crime in Germany - but I may be corrected), but of threatening behaviour.&quot;

Proof? The Guardian&#039;s account shows behaviour which is insulting but makes no mention of threatening:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2009/jul/07/german-trial-hijab-murder-egypt

&quot;Unemployed Alex W. from Perm in Russia was found guilty last November of insulting and abusing Sherbini, screaming &quot;terrorist&quot; and &quot;Islamist whore&quot; at her, during the Dresden park encounter.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ermin wrote, &#8220;I think you will find, if you were to do some digging (as opposed to smearing) that you will find that Axel W was not convicted of the crime of insulting religion (which I think is not actually a crime in Germany &#8211; but I may be corrected), but of threatening behaviour.&#8221;</p>
<p>Proof? The Guardian&#8217;s account shows behaviour which is insulting but makes no mention of threatening:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2009/jul/07/german-trial-hijab-murder-egypt" rel="nofollow">http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2009/jul/07/german-trial-hijab-murder-egypt</a></p>
<p>&#8220;Unemployed Alex W. from Perm in Russia was found guilty last November of insulting and abusing Sherbini, screaming &#8220;terrorist&#8221; and &#8220;Islamist whore&#8221; at her, during the Dresden park encounter.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Philo-Semite</title>
		<link>http://hurryupharry.org/2009/07/06/murderous-bigotry/comment-page-3/#comment-364737</link>
		<dc:creator>Philo-Semite</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Jul 2009 19:03:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The incident may illustrate the lack of wisdom in &quot;hate speech&quot; legislation. Apparently el-Sherbini approached Axel to ask permission for her child to use a swing. Axel denied it and insulted her on the basis of her identity (Muslim, hijab, etc).

In the USA, it would wisely have stopped there. However, in Germany &quot;hate speech&quot; laws provided an outlet for her wounded pride, allowing her to sue. To win a &quot;hate speech&quot; case over an insult is not worth court time and certainly not worth her life - even if the animal&#039;s insult had been allowed to pass, el-Sherbini would be alive today.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The incident may illustrate the lack of wisdom in &#8220;hate speech&#8221; legislation. Apparently el-Sherbini approached Axel to ask permission for her child to use a swing. Axel denied it and insulted her on the basis of her identity (Muslim, hijab, etc).</p>
<p>In the USA, it would wisely have stopped there. However, in Germany &#8220;hate speech&#8221; laws provided an outlet for her wounded pride, allowing her to sue. To win a &#8220;hate speech&#8221; case over an insult is not worth court time and certainly not worth her life &#8211; even if the animal&#8217;s insult had been allowed to pass, el-Sherbini would be alive today.</p>
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		<title>By: Ben</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ben</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Jul 2009 16:59:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Aaaaaaaaarrrrrrrrggggggggghhhhhhh!!!

I&#039;m being mistaken for Benji?

BENJI?!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Aaaaaaaaarrrrrrrrggggggggghhhhhhh!!!</p>
<p>I&#8217;m being mistaken for Benji?</p>
<p>BENJI?!</p>
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		<title>By: Philo-Semite</title>
		<link>http://hurryupharry.org/2009/07/06/murderous-bigotry/comment-page-3/#comment-364690</link>
		<dc:creator>Philo-Semite</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Jul 2009 16:57:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The incident illustrates not any particular German racism, but instead the power of creeping dhimmitude and David&#039;s succumbing to it.

Apparently the perpetrator was a Russian on trial for the &quot;hate crime&quot; of insulting his Muslim neighbour when she asked to have her child use the man&#039;s swing.

The Islamic reaction is hysterical (&quot;Germans are the enemies of God&quot;) and is calculated to intimidate and so enforce Islamic supremacism. Has there been any such &quot;outrage&quot; from the Muslim world at the hundreds of violent anti-Semitic acts instigated by Islam world-wide? To protest the death of Ilan Halimi? To protest Iran&#039;s murder of dozens in the Argentinian bombing, and Iran&#039;s sheltering of the culprits?

The use of such incidents to gin up hatred is a standard Islamic practice. From the NY Times:

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/07/07/world/middleeast/07briefs-Egypt.html

&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;i&gt;“There is no god but God and the Germans are the enemies of God,” the mourners chanted.&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt; 

From the Los Angeles Times:
http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/babylonbeyond/2009/07/egypt-nationwide-rage-over-the-death-of-an-egyptian-in-germany.html

&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;i&gt;&quot;Now we as Muslims and Arabs have a chance to show the whole world that real terrorism takes place in the West,&quot; he added. &quot;In the West, they don’t recognize us. There is racism there. The Germans are the enemies of God.&quot;&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt; 

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090706/ap_on_re_mi_ea/ml_egypt_germany

&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;i&gt;&quot;We will avenge her killing,&quot; her brother Tarek el-Sherbini told The Associated Press&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt; 

And the Muslims can&#039;t seem to leave the Jews out of anything:
&lt;i&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt; Abdel Azeem Hamad, chief editor of the independent Egyptian daily el-Shorouk, said that if the victim had been a Jew, there would have been an uproar.&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt; 

Hamad needs to be reminded of the difference between a &quot;lone wolf&quot; committing an illegal act, and an entire people being put into gas chambers.

At least one Egyptian blogger has suggested the entire matter an attempt to distract from Mubarak&#039;s internal problems.

David should familiarise himself with Malkin&#039;s apt expression &quot;the religion of perpetual outrage&quot; and the age-old Islamic strategy called &quot;shirt of Uthman&quot;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The incident illustrates not any particular German racism, but instead the power of creeping dhimmitude and David&#8217;s succumbing to it.</p>
<p>Apparently the perpetrator was a Russian on trial for the &#8220;hate crime&#8221; of insulting his Muslim neighbour when she asked to have her child use the man&#8217;s swing.</p>
<p>The Islamic reaction is hysterical (&#8220;Germans are the enemies of God&#8221;) and is calculated to intimidate and so enforce Islamic supremacism. Has there been any such &#8220;outrage&#8221; from the Muslim world at the hundreds of violent anti-Semitic acts instigated by Islam world-wide? To protest the death of Ilan Halimi? To protest Iran&#8217;s murder of dozens in the Argentinian bombing, and Iran&#8217;s sheltering of the culprits?</p>
<p>The use of such incidents to gin up hatred is a standard Islamic practice. From the NY Times:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.nytimes.com/2009/07/07/world/middleeast/07briefs-Egypt.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.nytimes.com/2009/07/07/world/middleeast/07briefs-Egypt.html</a></p>
<blockquote><p><i>“There is no god but God and the Germans are the enemies of God,” the mourners chanted.</i></p></blockquote>
<p>From the Los Angeles Times:<br />
<a href="http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/babylonbeyond/2009/07/egypt-nationwide-rage-over-the-death-of-an-egyptian-in-germany.html" rel="nofollow">http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/babylonbeyond/2009/07/egypt-nationwide-rage-over-the-death-of-an-egyptian-in-germany.html</a></p>
<blockquote><p><i>&#8220;Now we as Muslims and Arabs have a chance to show the whole world that real terrorism takes place in the West,&#8221; he added. &#8220;In the West, they don’t recognize us. There is racism there. The Germans are the enemies of God.&#8221;</i></p></blockquote>
<p><a href="http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090706/ap_on_re_mi_ea/ml_egypt_germany" rel="nofollow">http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090706/ap_on_re_mi_ea/ml_egypt_germany</a></p>
<blockquote><p><i>&#8220;We will avenge her killing,&#8221; her brother Tarek el-Sherbini told The Associated Press</i></p></blockquote>
<p>And the Muslims can&#8217;t seem to leave the Jews out of anything:<br />
<i><br />
<blockquote> Abdel Azeem Hamad, chief editor of the independent Egyptian daily el-Shorouk, said that if the victim had been a Jew, there would have been an uproar.</p></blockquote>
<p></i> </p>
<p>Hamad needs to be reminded of the difference between a &#8220;lone wolf&#8221; committing an illegal act, and an entire people being put into gas chambers.</p>
<p>At least one Egyptian blogger has suggested the entire matter an attempt to distract from Mubarak&#8217;s internal problems.</p>
<p>David should familiarise himself with Malkin&#8217;s apt expression &#8220;the religion of perpetual outrage&#8221; and the age-old Islamic strategy called &#8220;shirt of Uthman&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: Graham</title>
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		<dc:creator>Graham</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Jul 2009 16:36:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I rather suspect he thinks you are Benji old bean!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I rather suspect he thinks you are Benji old bean!</p>
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		<title>By: Ben</title>
		<link>http://hurryupharry.org/2009/07/06/murderous-bigotry/comment-page-3/#comment-364660</link>
		<dc:creator>Ben</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Jul 2009 15:42:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Vildechaye.

What&#039;s with the scare quotes around my name? I quite like it. My name is Ben. Always has been, always will be. It&#039;s not fake or deceptive in any way.

Now then, pleasantries out of the way. How fucking dare you accuse me of being an anti-semite, you fucking presumptuous little cunt? 

How you could possibly come to that conclusion is quite beyond me.

If you had bothered to read my comments on this site you would realise that I was a staunch supporter of Israel&#039;s right to exist in peace and security. Not that this should be a litmus test in any way (since large numbers of people opposed this without remotely being anti-semitic), but you are so far wrong that you are talking to someone who reluctantly supported Operation Cast Lead. I have been accused of being a neo-con zionist by lefty fruitbats. (I&#039;m not, I&#039;m just a long-suffering Labour moderate.)

Now fuck off, and try even remotely getting near target next time. Where the fuck did you come up with that cretinuous, obviously wrong, smearing shitty bilge from?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Vildechaye.</p>
<p>What&#8217;s with the scare quotes around my name? I quite like it. My name is Ben. Always has been, always will be. It&#8217;s not fake or deceptive in any way.</p>
<p>Now then, pleasantries out of the way. How fucking dare you accuse me of being an anti-semite, you fucking presumptuous little cunt? </p>
<p>How you could possibly come to that conclusion is quite beyond me.</p>
<p>If you had bothered to read my comments on this site you would realise that I was a staunch supporter of Israel&#8217;s right to exist in peace and security. Not that this should be a litmus test in any way (since large numbers of people opposed this without remotely being anti-semitic), but you are so far wrong that you are talking to someone who reluctantly supported Operation Cast Lead. I have been accused of being a neo-con zionist by lefty fruitbats. (I&#8217;m not, I&#8217;m just a long-suffering Labour moderate.)</p>
<p>Now fuck off, and try even remotely getting near target next time. Where the fuck did you come up with that cretinuous, obviously wrong, smearing shitty bilge from?</p>
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		<title>By: vildechaye</title>
		<link>http://hurryupharry.org/2009/07/06/murderous-bigotry/comment-page-3/#comment-364637</link>
		<dc:creator>vildechaye</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Jul 2009 14:36:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Brownie: I wasn&#039;t talking about u. This began with &quot;Ben&quot; talking about how disgusting it was that people were qualifying their condemnations with whataboutery. I thought that was rich coming from someone who always qualifies similar atrocities with whataboutery when the victim is israeli or jewish. Frankly, I don&#039;t understand what your problem is with that...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Brownie: I wasn&#8217;t talking about u. This began with &#8220;Ben&#8221; talking about how disgusting it was that people were qualifying their condemnations with whataboutery. I thought that was rich coming from someone who always qualifies similar atrocities with whataboutery when the victim is israeli or jewish. Frankly, I don&#8217;t understand what your problem is with that&#8230;</p>
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