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	<description>Liberty, if it means anything, is the right to tell people what they don&#039;t want to hear</description>
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		<title>By: Zin</title>
		<link>http://hurryupharry.org/2009/06/28/opposing-coups/comment-page-1/#comment-360964</link>
		<dc:creator>Zin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Jun 2009 00:41:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I pity the insane, especially the illiterati.

The referendum on ending term limits - not on a president-for-life  was passed by 55% to 45%. Venezuelans now have the outrageous right to decide in a democratic election whether they wish to re-elect Hugo Chavez.  

The use of scare quotes around the word &#039;referendum&#039; is particularly bizarre. Although mettaculture is clearly a fantasist, I can assure him that the referendum was not a figment of his imagination.

Stay off the crack pipe, matey.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I pity the insane, especially the illiterati.</p>
<p>The referendum on ending term limits &#8211; not on a president-for-life  was passed by 55% to 45%. Venezuelans now have the outrageous right to decide in a democratic election whether they wish to re-elect Hugo Chavez.  </p>
<p>The use of scare quotes around the word &#8216;referendum&#8217; is particularly bizarre. Although mettaculture is clearly a fantasist, I can assure him that the referendum was not a figment of his imagination.</p>
<p>Stay off the crack pipe, matey.</p>
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		<title>By: mettaculture</title>
		<link>http://hurryupharry.org/2009/06/28/opposing-coups/comment-page-1/#comment-360956</link>
		<dc:creator>mettaculture</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Jun 2009 00:10:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>ah Zin of no memory.

Does anyone remember Zin arguing that Chaves was a democrat because he had accepted the No vote on his (2nd) attempt at constitutional amendement (to allow him to be president for life).

This must have been about a month before Chavez&#039; 3rd and successful &#039;referendum&#039;.

I was in Venezuela at that time I thought of Zibn and laughed so hard my underwear still haven&#039;t dried.

I will be in Venezuela again in a couple of weeks or so, I always think of Zin and his hated  oligarchs every time i can&#039;t buy coffee or rice or eggs.

What a liar and a charlattan he is.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>ah Zin of no memory.</p>
<p>Does anyone remember Zin arguing that Chaves was a democrat because he had accepted the No vote on his (2nd) attempt at constitutional amendement (to allow him to be president for life).</p>
<p>This must have been about a month before Chavez&#8217; 3rd and successful &#8216;referendum&#8217;.</p>
<p>I was in Venezuela at that time I thought of Zibn and laughed so hard my underwear still haven&#8217;t dried.</p>
<p>I will be in Venezuela again in a couple of weeks or so, I always think of Zin and his hated  oligarchs every time i can&#8217;t buy coffee or rice or eggs.</p>
<p>What a liar and a charlattan he is.</p>
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		<title>By: Zin</title>
		<link>http://hurryupharry.org/2009/06/28/opposing-coups/comment-page-1/#comment-360703</link>
		<dc:creator>Zin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Jun 2009 16:22:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Cos they just proved it by organising a military coup, kidnapping the president and illegally seizing and beating three three foreign ambassadors, as well as the foreign minister.

As someone posted elsewhere:

Get the facts straight, people.

Zelaya wasn’t acting outside the Honduran constitution.

First, he wanted a referendum on holding a constitutive assembly to change the constitution. This is the required and democratic procedure. The supreme court denied his request.

So Zelaya called a ‘consultative’ referendum - effectively a state-sponsored opinion poll - to ask the population whether they wanted the issue included on ballots for the upcoming presidential election.

The army refused to distribute the ballot papers, and Zelaya fired the head of the army. So the army staged a coup.

It was a _referendum_ folks, a democratic consultation. You’d never guess it, though, from some of the comments above.

If that makes Zelaya a threat to democracy and the military coup the defence of democracy then black is white.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Cos they just proved it by organising a military coup, kidnapping the president and illegally seizing and beating three three foreign ambassadors, as well as the foreign minister.</p>
<p>As someone posted elsewhere:</p>
<p>Get the facts straight, people.</p>
<p>Zelaya wasn’t acting outside the Honduran constitution.</p>
<p>First, he wanted a referendum on holding a constitutive assembly to change the constitution. This is the required and democratic procedure. The supreme court denied his request.</p>
<p>So Zelaya called a ‘consultative’ referendum &#8211; effectively a state-sponsored opinion poll &#8211; to ask the population whether they wanted the issue included on ballots for the upcoming presidential election.</p>
<p>The army refused to distribute the ballot papers, and Zelaya fired the head of the army. So the army staged a coup.</p>
<p>It was a _referendum_ folks, a democratic consultation. You’d never guess it, though, from some of the comments above.</p>
<p>If that makes Zelaya a threat to democracy and the military coup the defence of democracy then black is white.</p>
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		<title>By: mesquito</title>
		<link>http://hurryupharry.org/2009/06/28/opposing-coups/comment-page-1/#comment-360684</link>
		<dc:creator>mesquito</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Jun 2009 15:55:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Zin:

Why must you guys simultaneously appeal to the Honduran constitution while dismissing those in Honduras who hold constitutional office as &quot;oligarchs&quot;?  I mean, choose one, for heaven&#039;s sake.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Zin:</p>
<p>Why must you guys simultaneously appeal to the Honduran constitution while dismissing those in Honduras who hold constitutional office as &#8220;oligarchs&#8221;?  I mean, choose one, for heaven&#8217;s sake.</p>
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		<title>By: Zin</title>
		<link>http://hurryupharry.org/2009/06/28/opposing-coups/comment-page-1/#comment-360643</link>
		<dc:creator>Zin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Jun 2009 15:05:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Alec, why don&#039;t you get a job on the Daily Mail?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Alec, why don&#8217;t you get a job on the Daily Mail?</p>
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		<title>By: Alec</title>
		<link>http://hurryupharry.org/2009/06/28/opposing-coups/comment-page-1/#comment-360612</link>
		<dc:creator>Alec</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Jun 2009 14:29:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Zin, why don&#039;t you tell us why Bin Laden and Guevara are different.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Zin, why don&#8217;t you tell us why Bin Laden and Guevara are different.</p>
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		<title>By: Zin</title>
		<link>http://hurryupharry.org/2009/06/28/opposing-coups/comment-page-1/#comment-360568</link>
		<dc:creator>Zin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Jun 2009 13:48:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Gene backing for the 2002 coup is exposed, so he tries to talk about what I haven&#039;t said about a different topic. Pathetic.

If Bush was still in power, Gene would be cheering on the Honduran coup as well. This slippery contortionist &#039;promotes the left&#039; in the same way that Count Dracula promotes vegetarianism.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Gene backing for the 2002 coup is exposed, so he tries to talk about what I haven&#8217;t said about a different topic. Pathetic.</p>
<p>If Bush was still in power, Gene would be cheering on the Honduran coup as well. This slippery contortionist &#8216;promotes the left&#8217; in the same way that Count Dracula promotes vegetarianism.</p>
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		<title>By: Zin</title>
		<link>http://hurryupharry.org/2009/06/28/opposing-coups/comment-page-1/#comment-360557</link>
		<dc:creator>Zin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Jun 2009 13:39:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>mesquito

&quot;Independent institutions&quot; in the old Latin America = Institutions independent of democratic control which represent the wealthy elite.

Who do you think you&#039;re kidding?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>mesquito</p>
<p>&#8220;Independent institutions&#8221; in the old Latin America = Institutions independent of democratic control which represent the wealthy elite.</p>
<p>Who do you think you&#8217;re kidding?</p>
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		<title>By: mesquito</title>
		<link>http://hurryupharry.org/2009/06/28/opposing-coups/comment-page-1/#comment-360503</link>
		<dc:creator>mesquito</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Jun 2009 12:15:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mary Anastasia O&#039;Grady

&lt;blockquote&gt;The struggle against chavismo has never been about left-right politics. It is about defending the independence of institutions that keep presidents from becoming dictators. This crisis clearly delineates the problem. In failing to come to the aid of checks and balances, Mrs. Clinton and Mr. Insulza expose their true colors.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB124623220955866301.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mary Anastasia O&#8217;Grady</p>
<blockquote><p>The struggle against chavismo has never been about left-right politics. It is about defending the independence of institutions that keep presidents from becoming dictators. This crisis clearly delineates the problem. In failing to come to the aid of checks and balances, Mrs. Clinton and Mr. Insulza expose their true colors.</p></blockquote>
<p><a href="http://online.wsj.com/article/SB124623220955866301.html" rel="nofollow">http://online.wsj.com/article/SB124623220955866301.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: Gene</title>
		<link>http://hurryupharry.org/2009/06/28/opposing-coups/comment-page-1/#comment-360471</link>
		<dc:creator>Gene</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Jun 2009 11:39:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ah, Zin. I&#039;ve noted your silence-- here and at 21st Century Socialism-- about Iran, and Chavez&#039;s loyal support for the forces of fraud and brutal repression there. You&#039;d almost think someone had mentioned Budapest 1956 or Prague 1968.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ah, Zin. I&#8217;ve noted your silence&#8211; here and at 21st Century Socialism&#8211; about Iran, and Chavez&#8217;s loyal support for the forces of fraud and brutal repression there. You&#8217;d almost think someone had mentioned Budapest 1956 or Prague 1968.</p>
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