Comments on: Execute protestors “without mercy” – Ahmad Khatami

By: The Count of Monte Cristo in a Bubble Car

The Count of Monte Cristo in a Bubble Car — Mon, 29 Jun 2009 02:12:44 +0000

Whilst obviously being an joyless obscurantist medieval fucker, Ahmad Khatami, is also a deluded psychotic willing and able to order the killing of innocent people who have the courage to challenge his miserable mullahocracy. To hell with him and all the bearded po-faced twats on Iran’s Guardian Council.

By: Lauren

Lauren — Sat, 27 Jun 2009 17:15:50 +0000

Take a look at this. It explains, among other things, why Mousavi would represent more of a change than some cynics believe. If this guy is to be believed, it’s kind of what I suspected.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P5ttXIgMdKE

By: socialrepublican

socialrepublican — Sat, 27 Jun 2009 12:48:58 +0000

‘The idea was to overthrow the Monarchy.’

No it wasn’t. The aim was to arm the population to avoid ultras around Artois and Provance from calling in the army to close down the newly formed National Assembly. Attacks against the monarch itself didn’t start till 1791 and the Champ de Mars massacre. Only in 1792 and the journees of July and August 10 did republican efforts become general.

By: DocMartyn

DocMartyn — Sat, 27 Jun 2009 12:26:49 +0000

It appears that the IRI is trying to get the youngsters of the streets by showing blockbusters on TV. They have just finished screening the Lord of the Rings trilogy. I wonder what the Iranians made of this declaration?

“‘But no living man am I! You look upon a woman. Eowyn I am, Eomund’s daughter!”

Mousavi campaigned with his wife.

By: field

field — Sat, 27 Jun 2009 12:17:01 +0000

One side point: you can see how dictatorships these days tend to follow the Tienanmen template when suppressing the people. The televised confessions have a very familiar look about them. The oppressors know the Chinese totalitarians got away with it and think that’s the way to go. The democracies are to blame for acquiescing in the Chinese suppression.

By: mrs ben

mrs ben — Sat, 27 Jun 2009 09:06:44 +0000

At least recent events have given the lie to the myth peddled by the Supreme Leader and his geriatric sidekicks, that the Iranian Revolution has led to one giant united happy family.

By: Lauren

Lauren — Sat, 27 Jun 2009 02:03:38 +0000

Cipriano:

“Dennis is, however, right in saying that a President has no real power and that Mousavi would not have been a real improvement, and that “I have yet to see anyone on the streets of Iran marching for genuine regime change”.”

Cipriano and Dennis,

My impression from what I have been reading on Twitter and a few other places is that there is significant interest in regime change. Mousavi was astounded at the support he got, and the impression is that it was no longer really about him, but about anything is better than the present government.

One thing I found particularly interesting was a discussion with somebody who had voted for Ahmedinajad. it seems that even he didn’t really like the theocracy. Instead he was motivated partly by some kind of argument about how they differ on the economy, but mostly he just knew how to get around the system as is, and didn’t want to disrupt his social life for a revolution. I can well understand this from visit Hungary during the communist time. People learn to ignore dictators, and get on with life. Somebody asked about internet censorship, and he says, oh everyone knows how to get by the filters. But what I’m getting to with this is that if even an Ahmedinajad supporter can say he is against the theocracy.

It is certainly well known that there are plenty that are shouting “Down with the dictator.” Whether it is a large proportion of the population, or just a small number of fired up young people, I have no idea.

By: mrs ben

mrs ben — Fri, 26 Jun 2009 23:03:30 +0000

but it does seem relevent to ask who actually shot her.

An early eye witness, said it was a member of the Basij militia.

By: DocMartyn

DocMartyn — Fri, 26 Jun 2009 22:21:42 +0000

“Those who marched on the Bastille in 1789 had no idea of overthrowing the monarchy either.”

The Bastille was not really a prison, it only had 7 prisoners, but could hold up to 50 prisoners in comparative luxury.
It was an Armory, it had a huge number of muskets and enough gunpowder to start, supply and finish a revolution.

The idea was to overthrow the Monarchy.

By: Cipriano

Cipriano — Fri, 26 Jun 2009 21:35:01 +0000

No, Ahmad Khatami is not the same man as the ex-President: no relation, indeed, as far as we know. Dennis is, however, right in saying that a President has no real power and that Mousavi would not have been a real improvement, and that “I have yet to see anyone on the streets of Iran marching for genuine regime change”.

However, one never knows just how far people’s power on the streets might go. Those who marched on the Bastille in 1789 had no idea of overthrowing the monarchy either. I am fairly sure that the Ayatollahs, if they’d known how this would turn out, would have let Mousavi win, knowing that he didn’t really stand for anything. Now, however, their hand has been forced; either they have to go in for real fascist oppression, or they have to give in to people’s power, and heaven knows where that might lead. No-one can really imagine freedom in Iran, but if the breakthrough is made they are unlikely to accept any version of the present regime. Marg Bar Velayat-e-Faqih!