This is actually the truth, except that the ultra-free market, extreme right wing libertarian policy of having no immigration controls whatsoever was never a stated policy of the Labour Government. They never actually argued a case for this bizarre and obviously wrong policy. Their failure to prevent unsustainable immigration was down to massive incompetence rather than actual policy.

I gave ‘em a leaflet coz they asked for one….:-S
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As the responsible adult in that transaction you should have said no, and moved on.

A 27% vote for the BNP suggests an impressive degree of rejection of traitorous and suicidal let-them-all-in Labour policies!

“Describing Islam as a compulsory social cult” is the only way to accurately describe what goes on in the real world.

I did not say that Atheists are unnatural, I’m not a deist myself. I just recognize the evident fact of the human mind, it is normal for people to have some faith, whether you like it or not, it is natural.

You simply don’t understand the meaning of the word “biggoted”, Imli. You also obviously don’t know how to form a valid argument.

I don’t see any point in answering more nonsense from you.

As for insulting people as thick when they don’t agree with your opinion, it’s a style of debate that reflects on you, but not us…

As for banning muslims, no-one wants that(note we’re arguing against banning people for thought crimes), but it was used as a tool to make you understand that making special excuses for anyone or banning innocent people before they have been guilty of anything is never a good idea — this sort of thing always starts with good intentions and ends in Gulags.

Appeasing fascists (religious or political) is never a good idea either, if you’re batting for western culture and the concept of modern reason, you’ll have to engage with them as equals and quit treating people like pets that can be trained to obey you.

Actually I do think they have a duty to challenge it in the playground – anything like that should be against school rules, for a start – but I’m wary of it being brought into lessons. Maths should be about maths, not about anything else. I would generally lean towards an innocent until proven guilty approach as a default when it comes to whether someone’s private views should automatically disqualify them from their job.

Seriously, leave children to just be kids and concentrate on the adults. And don’t do things that the BNP may decide to copy, remember, what si sauce for the goose is gravy for the gander :(

partially because membership in Islam is mostly by birth not choice.

Not by birth, babies are born areligious and apolitical. ‘Born a Muslim’ is an Islamic trope; and it’s complete tosh. No, it’s by early indoctrination. There’s a very profound difference.

You and Imli are being thick. A child’s membership in his family isn’t optional. And in muslim families and societies one can’ just quit Islam, one may lose one’s family, one may lose one’s community, one may be killed or even killed by a close family member. In muslim countries one loses one’s property and is forced to divorce one’s wife/wives… Also, what if someone has family back in Saudi Arabia or Pakistan?

Just moving to the west doesn’t instantly make such things disappear instantly – it doesn’t even make it disappear among second generation families.

Also belief in God is natural – and if one is born a Muslim then a belief in God is likely to make some say they’re religious Muslims no matter what the specifics of their beliefs are.

We can do our best to outlaw the oppression of former Muslims, but we still have to deal fairly with the fact that not every Muslim who disagrees with the oppressive parts of Islam will be able to face the losses of leaving Islam, or want to.

We DO have to treat Muslim citizens as individuals.