Now the people can see the writing on the wall, they were apathetic for so long, but now Geert Wilders has given them hope especially the educated young.

It wont be long before parties like his are established in other countries in Europe. A party like his in Britain will attract Working Class and Middle Class Voters, because they will address the problem that other parties will not address, yet also be more centralist on other issues. And I like millions of others will vote for them and they will win.

The stage is already set in Britain as the main parties are not particularly liked by the people but up to this point there has been no party that both the working class and middle class would find expectable to vote for that would address the issues of mass immigrations of Muslims, so if Geert Wilders is successful you can expect his paradigm in western Europe within 5 to 10 years.
Either way its civil war make no mistake, many innocent people will die on both sides in this one and we can do absolutely nothing to prevent it.

No point in continuing to read, because this is simply not true, the vast majority of Muslims brings in cousins from their homelands to marry, Muslim women do only very rarely marry non-Muslim Men, and many of the Muslim children are not culturally European at all but actively get raised to reject any assimilation. Many Muslims do not arrive here to join us, but unfortunately have bought into the Arab street meme that Europe in 30 will be Islamic.

With all respect, the 1980’s are long over, you need to update your knowledge before you start to pontificate about the here and now.

Re: Mein Kampf, he is either misinformed or happy to perpetuate the canard. Selling copies of Mein Kampf is ALREADY illegal in the Netherlands (and in some other European countries, such as Austria). It has been for as long as I’ve been alive.

More to the point, though I’m hardly a big Wilders fan, the man is actually being entirely consistent here, and merely expecting consistency of others. Wilders’ point is that BECAUSE Mein Kampf is considered so dangerous that the state has declared the sale of the book illegal, THEN the same limitation ought to be placed on the hate-filled tract that is the Koran.

The Dutch are seriously wedded to the idea of ‘gelijke monnikken gelijke kappen’ (roughly translated as equal treatment, though the closer English expression that comes to mind is ‘What’s good for the goose is good for the gander’). Wilders is furthering this ur-Dutch principle. Nothing wrong with that — on the contrary. (For the record, I think banning books is by definition spectacularly wrong, and I will always fight for the unfettered availability of Mein Kampf, the Koran, the Bible, and even anything written by Robert James Waller.)

Murphy fails to show how allegedly overblown Wilders’ fears are when the politician warns of Western culture being overtaken by unenlightened religionists whose beliefs are incompatible with most everything the West stands for. Why worry, Murphy writes blithely, when Muslims only make up about 4.5% of the entire population of Europe.

For Murphy’s stat to be of any real-world consequence, you’d have to suppose that the spread of Muslims is more or less geographically even; that you can take a sample of a thousand people anywhere on the European continent and come up with 45 Muslims, give or take. But the reality for millions of Europeans is that they live in neighborhoods and cities where Muslims are now either a majority, or very nearly so. The population of the Schildersbuurt district in The Hague, for instance, now consists of 90.6 percent immigrants (no typo), most of them Muslims. Citywide, the percentage is 46.2 — and growing. The nearby city of Rotterdam is on the verge of having a majority-immigrant population, with Muslims again making up by far the biggest demographic slice. If current trends continue, it’ll be Amsterdam’s turn in about a dozen years (this seems irreversible, considering that already, more than 50% of Amsterdam’s children have a “non-Western background.”

A reasonable question is “So what?” Yes, there is something enormously appealing about the idea of a polyglot, harmonious, multicultural society where hookah bars appear next to Japanese restaurants, and where the Turkish rug-store owner can be seen shooting the breeze with the tattooed white guy from next door, working on his motorbike. I savor such scenes. Parts of Amsterdam are like that. I am as susceptible as the next guy to pangs of positivity when I read that my erstwhile city is home to the largest number of nationalities in the world (177, compared to New York’s 150).

But you don’t have to be a bigot (as many of Wilders’ fans are) to see the problems outweighing the benefits.

Just step back for a moment and focus on your own town or neighborhood. Mentally remove half the current population, and substitute lots of women in burkas, and men who’ve grown up in a culture where honor killings are widely tolerated and Sharia justice is preferred. Now imagine that virtually none of the women are gainfully employed, and that only about 38 percent of the 40-to-64-year-olds are (that’s the official number for the Morrocan population in the Netherlands). The others — 62 percent — depend on welfare.

When you picture your now-transformed living environment, sprinkle in a lot of Muslim teenagers (school dropout rate roughly 60 percent) who, in the Netherlands, are disproportionately responsible for petty street crime. Almost 70 percent of under-24 Moroccan males in Amsterdam have been detained at least once, and many have an actual criminal record. Then imagine that there are in fact many more nasty young street hooligans than the official crime statistics let on. Moroccan youth, especially, are widely observed to act out with great disrespect; calling Dutch girls hos, pubicly hurling insults at white people and black Dutch citizens from Surinam for no apparent reason, openly jeering at gays, and so on. (Incidentally, the dropout rate alone makes an instant mockery of Murphy’s belief that the way out of this problem is the “education, education, education” of immigrants.)

Seriously, how would you like to live in THAT social environment? I imagine Andrew Murphy’s rainbow-colored opinions would be quite different if he were forced to live in The Hague’s Schildersbuurt district, or in Amsterdam’s Slotervaart neighborhood.

By the way, the stats which I’m quoting do not come from Mr. Wilders or some organization of Aryan weasels. They were revealed last month in the broadsheet NRC Handelsblad, Holland’s newspaper of record, and the closest Dutch journalism comes to a London Times or a Washington Post.

So I ask again: post-sea-change, how do you like your city or your neighborhood?

I’ve never seen the Muslim-immigrant rise of Europe’s major cities acknowledged or understood in American or even U.K. media. This, I think, is the proper analogy: take Chicago or New York or Manchester, and subject those cities to the thought experiment above. If you can honestly say that you wouldn’t mind living in a city in your own country where foreign fundamentalists with a welfare addiction and a crime problem have begun to outnumber the original population, you’re a more tolerant person than I am.

Well, ARE you?

@Short order cook

“…because the maths needed to show that a 50% muslim population in Britain is close to impossible is so mind blowingly simple that a 10 year old could do it.”

As a self declared scientist you ignore the fact that demographics are cumulative. You must take into account the effect of continued immigration and the subsequent effect of the much higher birth rate of those immigrants. And you have to take into account that even second and third generation Muslims in Britain continue to have significantly more children than the indigenous population.

Consider, today the total Muslim population in England is only 5%. Yet the proportion of Muslims under the age of 11 is around 11%.

As a rocket scientist, I assume you understand the exponential function.

Read this:-

Muslim population ‘rising 10 times faster than rest of society’

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/life_and_style/article5621482.ece

Whatever the actual result will be, it is ignorant to deny that we aren’t currently and won’t continue to experience a dramatic demographic change and growth of Islam in this country.

The question we should ask ourselves is whether this is a good bad or neutral thing.

Well, we have eyes don’t we? We can all read, can’t we? Let’s look for ourselves and ask the question: Is the growth of Islam here making our society a better place? How have those European neighbours, who’ve experienced an even greater growth of Islam in their societies fared? Or are they better or worse off?

And except for the most blinkered denier and moral relativist, the unavoidable truth is that ANY significant growth of Islam is something we all should be very concerned about.

Muslim population ‘rising 10 times faster than rest of society’

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/life_and_style/article5621482.ece

“…because the maths needed to show that a 50% muslim population in Britain is close to impossible is so mind blowingly simple that a 10 year old could do it.”

As a self declare scientist you ignore the fact that demographics are cumulative. You must take into account continued immigration and the effect of the much higher birth rate of those immigrants.

Today the total Muslim population in England is only 5%. Yet the proportion of Muslims under the age of 11 is around 11%.

As a rocket scientist, I assume you understand the exponential function.

Read this:-

Read this:-

Muslim population ‘rising 10 times faster than rest of society’

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/life_and_style/article5621482.ece@Short order cook

“…because the maths needed to show that a 50% muslim population in Britain is close to impossible is so mind blowingly simple that a 10 year old could do it.”

As a self declare scientist you ignore the fact that demographics are cumulative. You must take into account the effect of continued immigration and the subsequent effect of the much higher birth rate of those immigrants. And you have to take into account that even second and third generation Muslims in Britain continue to have significantly more children than the indigenous population.

Consider, today the total Muslim population in England is only 5%. Yet the proportion of Muslims under the age of 11 is around 11%.

As a rocket scientist, I assume you understand the exponential function.

Whatever the actual result will be, it is ignorant to deny that we aren’t currently and won’t continue to experience a dramatic demographic change and growth of Islam in this country.

The question we should ask ourselves is whether this is a good bad or neutral thing.

Well, we have eyes don’t we? We can all read, can’t we? Let’s look for ourselves and ask the question: Is the growth of Islam here making our society a better place? Have our European neighbours, who’ve experienced even greater growth of Islam in their society fared? Or are they better or worse off?

And except for the most blinkered denier and moral relativist, the unavoidable truth is that any significant growth of Islam is something we all should be very concerned about.

Current population of UK = ~60
Current muslim population = ~2
76-60=16
16+2=18
(18/76)*100=23.7%

Incidentally, I don’t have an O level in maths. I do however have an A in GCSE maths and an A in A level maths, as well as a masters and PhD in a science subject (not maths). I have also spent some time as a rocket scientist. Not that any of this matters, because the maths needed to show that a 50% muslim population in Britain is close to impossible is so mind blowingly simple that a 10 year old could do it.

But not you, Reza, John P or Field apparently. Funny that.

At present the Muslim birthrate is higher (in some cases a lot higher) than that of the Christian population throughout Europe. If this trend continues it will certainly result in much higher percentages of second generation Muslims in Europe in ten years time than at present.

However where Muslim children are educated in secular state schools (and not poorly regulated madrassas) evidence shows that they come to realise that a high birthrate is associated with a lower standard of living and they start to limit their families. Turkey after Attaturk is indeed a good example of this.

Putting it into practice (educating women and emancipating them) is of course harder for “devout” Muslim men to accommodate than women. Wife at home as mother and servant, with a limited education, is an outward expression of a man’s status as a good Muslim for less well educated first generation Muslims. Hence also the liking by UK Pakistani Muslims for importing less well educated girls from back home to marry. (They will not challenge their subservient role in the family).

Improving education for Muslim girls in particular, is essential in this respect. Religious schools, poorly regulated and with a restricted curriculum urgently need attention. At present many of these Muslim schools appear to be getting a free pass from government inspectors.

The jury is out on the way Muslim birthrate will go in future. However it is definitely rising faster than the birthrate of the Christian inhabitants who currently comprise the greater majority of the population of western Europe. The far right makes great use of this information. We need arguments to advance against this.