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	<description>Liberty, if it means anything, is the right to tell people what they don&#039;t want to hear</description>
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		<title>By: Shooter</title>
		<link>http://hurryupharry.org/2009/06/08/bilal-philips-on-tour/comment-page-1/#comment-378681</link>
		<dc:creator>Shooter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 16 Aug 2009 00:24:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bilal Philips is a fascist cunt and when I see him I&#039;m going to whack his nasal bone throught the back of his skull. YOU SEE ME BILAL????????
Man up you lot, let&#039;s get these Salafi bell-ends.
x
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bilal Philips is a fascist cunt and when I see him I&#8217;m going to whack his nasal bone throught the back of his skull. YOU SEE ME BILAL????????<br />
Man up you lot, let&#8217;s get these Salafi bell-ends.<br />
x<br />
Shooter</p>
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		<title>By: Flaming Fairy</title>
		<link>http://hurryupharry.org/2009/06/08/bilal-philips-on-tour/comment-page-1/#comment-353372</link>
		<dc:creator>Flaming Fairy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Jun 2009 07:04:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;Muslimphobia&lt;/i&gt;

HAHAHAHAAA.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Muslimphobia</i></p>
<p>HAHAHAHAAA.</p>
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		<title>By: George (The Spittoon)</title>
		<link>http://hurryupharry.org/2009/06/08/bilal-philips-on-tour/comment-page-1/#comment-353218</link>
		<dc:creator>George (The Spittoon)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Jun 2009 17:27:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>David T. Ultimately my position is an ideological one. I simply do not believe in limits on speech where &quot;fighting talk&quot; is not used. As for how I would &quot;challenge&quot; these speakers, I think we should go. You, me and other interested parties (Quilliam?), we should raise the same issues that I mention here and let Bilal Philips discredit himself before his audience through having to admit to or deny his own opinions. If the iERA speakers spill into &quot;fighting talk&quot; then it could become a matter for the government/police, but otherwise this is an issue which I believe should be dealt with by civil society rather than governmental institutions.

Fundamentally, what I want from the government is a preventative approach rather than this kind of &quot;fire fighting&quot;. I simple cannot accept the usage of the blunt instrument of banning speakers - with the comcomitant limitations on freedom of speech in this country - in lieu of a &quot;fully thought through policy in Government.&quot; Even if the challenge which would be presented by you and me going along to these events and asking tricky questions would not be nearly as effective as simply banning the speakers, that&#039;s a situation I&#039;d be willing to accept to preserve an institutional commitment to the values which make me proud to be British.

As for what form preventative policy would take, that is the $64,000 question. I am hoping to get a guest post on the Spittoon soon from a correspondent of mine who is involved with an interfaith centre at an American university. Their work and the institutions in place there successfully discourage religious extremism from becoming an issue on campus. There is also a French organisation which does some interesting work in the banlieus of Paris: I have a correspondent who has been involved with them and I am intending to guest post him at the Spittoon soon. Of course there are, as with any analogies, important differences between the British experience of religious extremism and that of other countries, but I think there is much that we could learn from what has been tried elsewhere.

I am sure that you and many others will have interesting ideas to contribute on the question of preventative policy, which is a topic I really hope can be encouraged to come to the forefront of debate in this area.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>David T. Ultimately my position is an ideological one. I simply do not believe in limits on speech where &#8220;fighting talk&#8221; is not used. As for how I would &#8220;challenge&#8221; these speakers, I think we should go. You, me and other interested parties (Quilliam?), we should raise the same issues that I mention here and let Bilal Philips discredit himself before his audience through having to admit to or deny his own opinions. If the iERA speakers spill into &#8220;fighting talk&#8221; then it could become a matter for the government/police, but otherwise this is an issue which I believe should be dealt with by civil society rather than governmental institutions.</p>
<p>Fundamentally, what I want from the government is a preventative approach rather than this kind of &#8220;fire fighting&#8221;. I simple cannot accept the usage of the blunt instrument of banning speakers &#8211; with the comcomitant limitations on freedom of speech in this country &#8211; in lieu of a &#8220;fully thought through policy in Government.&#8221; Even if the challenge which would be presented by you and me going along to these events and asking tricky questions would not be nearly as effective as simply banning the speakers, that&#8217;s a situation I&#8217;d be willing to accept to preserve an institutional commitment to the values which make me proud to be British.</p>
<p>As for what form preventative policy would take, that is the $64,000 question. I am hoping to get a guest post on the Spittoon soon from a correspondent of mine who is involved with an interfaith centre at an American university. Their work and the institutions in place there successfully discourage religious extremism from becoming an issue on campus. There is also a French organisation which does some interesting work in the banlieus of Paris: I have a correspondent who has been involved with them and I am intending to guest post him at the Spittoon soon. Of course there are, as with any analogies, important differences between the British experience of religious extremism and that of other countries, but I think there is much that we could learn from what has been tried elsewhere.</p>
<p>I am sure that you and many others will have interesting ideas to contribute on the question of preventative policy, which is a topic I really hope can be encouraged to come to the forefront of debate in this area.</p>
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		<title>By: George (The Spittoon)</title>
		<link>http://hurryupharry.org/2009/06/08/bilal-philips-on-tour/comment-page-1/#comment-353200</link>
		<dc:creator>George (The Spittoon)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Jun 2009 16:39:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ Irf.&lt;blockquote&gt;“He is banned from entering Australia.”

Evidence?&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.news.com.au/couriermail/story/0,23739,21502367-953,00.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Here&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ Irf.<br />
<blockquote>“He is banned from entering Australia.”</p>
<p>Evidence?</p></blockquote>
<p><a href="http://www.news.com.au/couriermail/story/0,23739,21502367-953,00.html" rel="nofollow">Here</a></p>
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		<title>By: Irf</title>
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		<dc:creator>Irf</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Jun 2009 15:18:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Allan@Aberdeen &gt;I take it that most contributors are familiar with what Churchill wrote of islam as being retrograde and moribund slavery&lt;

And what did he say about Jews and Judaism?

Funny how anti-Semitism so easily morphs into Muslimphobia.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Allan@Aberdeen &gt;I take it that most contributors are familiar with what Churchill wrote of islam as being retrograde and moribund slavery&lt;</p>
<p>And what did he say about Jews and Judaism?</p>
<p>Funny how anti-Semitism so easily morphs into Muslimphobia.</p>
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		<title>By: Irf</title>
		<link>http://hurryupharry.org/2009/06/08/bilal-philips-on-tour/comment-page-1/#comment-353170</link>
		<dc:creator>Irf</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Jun 2009 15:12:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;A few years ago in Indonesia a young and popular progessive muslim cleric published an article suggesting, very politely, that it may be time to reform Islamic law to update it to reflect modern realities. The Council of Ulemas in modern moderate Indonesia immediately issued a fatwa saying he had insulted Islam and must be killed ...&quot;

Evidence? Who was the &quot;young and popular progressive muslim cleric&quot;? And why should this be deemed controversial when it forms the basic platform of Muhammadiyah, Indonesia&#039;s 2nd largest Muslim religious organisation?

Or did you just make it all up?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;A few years ago in Indonesia a young and popular progessive muslim cleric published an article suggesting, very politely, that it may be time to reform Islamic law to update it to reflect modern realities. The Council of Ulemas in modern moderate Indonesia immediately issued a fatwa saying he had insulted Islam and must be killed &#8230;&#8221;</p>
<p>Evidence? Who was the &#8220;young and popular progressive muslim cleric&#8221;? And why should this be deemed controversial when it forms the basic platform of Muhammadiyah, Indonesia&#8217;s 2nd largest Muslim religious organisation?</p>
<p>Or did you just make it all up?</p>
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		<title>By: Irf</title>
		<link>http://hurryupharry.org/2009/06/08/bilal-philips-on-tour/comment-page-1/#comment-353168</link>
		<dc:creator>Irf</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Jun 2009 15:10:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;He is banned from entering Australia.&quot;

Evidence?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;He is banned from entering Australia.&#8221;</p>
<p>Evidence?</p>
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		<title>By: Juhaina</title>
		<link>http://hurryupharry.org/2009/06/08/bilal-philips-on-tour/comment-page-1/#comment-352928</link>
		<dc:creator>Juhaina</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Jun 2009 00:33:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Salaam. We are the Cheerleaders Against Islamic Extremism.
We&#039;re looking for a few dozen people with brains and will. With 30 or so people, we can kill online extremism in the UK stone dead. And it&#039;ll cost nothing. But where could we find such people?
Here maybe?
Here are our online groups. Join us if you want to make a difference.

http://www.facebook.com/home.php?#/group.php?gid=35673288170&amp;ref=ts

http://twitter.com/Cheerleadered</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Salaam. We are the Cheerleaders Against Islamic Extremism.<br />
We&#8217;re looking for a few dozen people with brains and will. With 30 or so people, we can kill online extremism in the UK stone dead. And it&#8217;ll cost nothing. But where could we find such people?<br />
Here maybe?<br />
Here are our online groups. Join us if you want to make a difference.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.facebook.com/home.php?#/group.php?gid=35673288170&amp;ref=ts" rel="nofollow">http://www.facebook.com/home.php?#/group.php?gid=35673288170&amp;ref=ts</a></p>
<p><a href="http://twitter.com/Cheerleadered" rel="nofollow">http://twitter.com/Cheerleadered</a></p>
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		<title>By: Clap Hammer</title>
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		<dc:creator>Clap Hammer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Jun 2009 16:53:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sir Hartley Caughtshort	   	

&lt;i&gt;They should be engaged in open debate even if what they are saying maybe seen by some as ‘offensive’. Pushing the issue underground by using stupid undiefinable laws such as ‘hate speech’ is simply Orwellian and counter productive. We need to keep bacteria of the Bilal Phillips variety in direct sunlight where they wll decompose naturally.&lt;/i&gt;

Sounds wonderful.

I would like to agree with you but ... in cases where the bacteria claim to speak in the name of the Prophet, (or any other deity for that matter, not only Muslims), there may be some rather stupid members of the audience who will take his words and translate them into violence being filmed with womens stockings over their heads, screaming &lt;b&gt;Allah Akbar&lt;/b&gt; while someone is slowly beheaded with a large kitchen knife.

This is no Joke. Some of &#039;them&#039; were getting organised to do this to a British serviceman who was to be abducted inside the UK and then beheaded on film.

We are talking about irrational people who do exist.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sir Hartley Caughtshort	   	</p>
<p><i>They should be engaged in open debate even if what they are saying maybe seen by some as ‘offensive’. Pushing the issue underground by using stupid undiefinable laws such as ‘hate speech’ is simply Orwellian and counter productive. We need to keep bacteria of the Bilal Phillips variety in direct sunlight where they wll decompose naturally.</i></p>
<p>Sounds wonderful.</p>
<p>I would like to agree with you but &#8230; in cases where the bacteria claim to speak in the name of the Prophet, (or any other deity for that matter, not only Muslims), there may be some rather stupid members of the audience who will take his words and translate them into violence being filmed with womens stockings over their heads, screaming <b>Allah Akbar</b> while someone is slowly beheaded with a large kitchen knife.</p>
<p>This is no Joke. Some of &#8216;them&#8217; were getting organised to do this to a British serviceman who was to be abducted inside the UK and then beheaded on film.</p>
<p>We are talking about irrational people who do exist.</p>
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		<title>By: Sue R</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sue R</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Jun 2009 16:41:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The circulation of women in marriage is not just a sexual thing, it is to do with property, alliances  and housekeeping.  I find it as distasteful as anyone that a middleaged man should force himself onto a young girl, but we it is not just about sex.  The point about puberty is important too, many peasant cultures do not particularly value women, in fact even western cultures are not that keen on them it is only a recent phenomenon, and as soon as they reach puberty there is a feeling that someone else should pay to feed and clothe a girl.  When people are involved in subsistence farming they are not in a position to be sentimental.  Having said that, nowadays, at least in the modern world ie the West, there is no reason why girls should be &#039;exchanged&#039; at such a young age.  It is the fact that marriages in many religions (not just Islam) are arranged that is denying human rights.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The circulation of women in marriage is not just a sexual thing, it is to do with property, alliances  and housekeeping.  I find it as distasteful as anyone that a middleaged man should force himself onto a young girl, but we it is not just about sex.  The point about puberty is important too, many peasant cultures do not particularly value women, in fact even western cultures are not that keen on them it is only a recent phenomenon, and as soon as they reach puberty there is a feeling that someone else should pay to feed and clothe a girl.  When people are involved in subsistence farming they are not in a position to be sentimental.  Having said that, nowadays, at least in the modern world ie the West, there is no reason why girls should be &#8216;exchanged&#8217; at such a young age.  It is the fact that marriages in many religions (not just Islam) are arranged that is denying human rights.</p>
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