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	<title>Comments on: In Praise of Liberal Incrementalism</title>
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	<description>Liberty, if it means anything, is the right to tell people what they don&#039;t want to hear</description>
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		<title>By: Sophia</title>
		<link>http://hurryupharry.org/2009/06/06/in-praise-of-liberal-incrementalism/comment-page-1/#comment-351757</link>
		<dc:creator>Sophia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Jun 2009 21:30:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jesus Tory.  Are you aware of what was happening to the Jews before and during WWII and subsequently and the role played by Britain?

If not please read.

And please do not conflate the entire Yishuv with the Stern Gang.  That was a tiny group which enraged the majority - even Irgun fought with Britain during WWII, which didn&#039;t stop the disarmament and blockade of the Jews who&#039;d fought loyally for the Empire, nor the arming of the Arabs, nor did it stop Britain from sending Holocaust survivors back to concentration camps in Europe.

Jerusalem was beseiged and starving and under attack and the Brits did what?  If you don&#039;t know please READ.

Finally I am tired, really tired, of hearing the canard that Israel was built by terror.  It wasn&#039;t.  It was built by farmers, by artists, by architects, it was built by people who created a community, drained swamps, built roads and towns, often under the gun and in spite pogroms and finally in spite of open war, in the shadow of the Shoah where millions were lost.

Britain didn&#039;t even recognize the state of Israel for months and supported the ethnic cleansing and annexation by Jordan of Judea, Samaria and East Jerusalem.  

There are several books about this history and I strongly suggest you read some, including the betrayal of the Jews whose homeland according to the League of Nations was to have included transJordan.  

Sheese.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jesus Tory.  Are you aware of what was happening to the Jews before and during WWII and subsequently and the role played by Britain?</p>
<p>If not please read.</p>
<p>And please do not conflate the entire Yishuv with the Stern Gang.  That was a tiny group which enraged the majority &#8211; even Irgun fought with Britain during WWII, which didn&#8217;t stop the disarmament and blockade of the Jews who&#8217;d fought loyally for the Empire, nor the arming of the Arabs, nor did it stop Britain from sending Holocaust survivors back to concentration camps in Europe.</p>
<p>Jerusalem was beseiged and starving and under attack and the Brits did what?  If you don&#8217;t know please READ.</p>
<p>Finally I am tired, really tired, of hearing the canard that Israel was built by terror.  It wasn&#8217;t.  It was built by farmers, by artists, by architects, it was built by people who created a community, drained swamps, built roads and towns, often under the gun and in spite pogroms and finally in spite of open war, in the shadow of the Shoah where millions were lost.</p>
<p>Britain didn&#8217;t even recognize the state of Israel for months and supported the ethnic cleansing and annexation by Jordan of Judea, Samaria and East Jerusalem.  </p>
<p>There are several books about this history and I strongly suggest you read some, including the betrayal of the Jews whose homeland according to the League of Nations was to have included transJordan.  </p>
<p>Sheese.</p>
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		<title>By: Lbnaz</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lbnaz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Jun 2009 17:18:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;Its a historical thing about Britain not always doing what the Stern Gang demanded.&lt;/i&gt;

The historical thing is that Britain never ever did anything demanded by the Stern Gang.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Its a historical thing about Britain not always doing what the Stern Gang demanded.</i></p>
<p>The historical thing is that Britain never ever did anything demanded by the Stern Gang.</p>
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		<title>By: Tory</title>
		<link>http://hurryupharry.org/2009/06/06/in-praise-of-liberal-incrementalism/comment-page-1/#comment-351647</link>
		<dc:creator>Tory</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Jun 2009 13:43:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;You seem to have inherited the same beliefs. I bet you wouldn’t use the term “handout” for any other nation.&quot;

Dont worry, I always say the same thing about places like Egypt! 

&quot;I’m wondering if your own petty cavil conceals an even deeper contempt for the UK…am I wrong? I do hope so, as I certainly do not ‘hate’ the US.&quot;

Its a historical thing about Britain not always doing what the Stern Gang demanded.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;You seem to have inherited the same beliefs. I bet you wouldn’t use the term “handout” for any other nation.&#8221;</p>
<p>Dont worry, I always say the same thing about places like Egypt! </p>
<p>&#8220;I’m wondering if your own petty cavil conceals an even deeper contempt for the UK…am I wrong? I do hope so, as I certainly do not ‘hate’ the US.&#8221;</p>
<p>Its a historical thing about Britain not always doing what the Stern Gang demanded.</p>
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		<title>By: Nick (ex South Africa)</title>
		<link>http://hurryupharry.org/2009/06/06/in-praise-of-liberal-incrementalism/comment-page-1/#comment-351628</link>
		<dc:creator>Nick (ex South Africa)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Jun 2009 12:23:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Forcing Israel into concessions to create a Palestinian state is a spur for MORE attacks on Israel and Jews because its a winning strategy.&lt;/blockquote&gt;
Precisely!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Forcing Israel into concessions to create a Palestinian state is a spur for MORE attacks on Israel and Jews because its a winning strategy.</p></blockquote>
<p>Precisely!</p>
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		<title>By: Nick (ex South Africa)</title>
		<link>http://hurryupharry.org/2009/06/06/in-praise-of-liberal-incrementalism/comment-page-1/#comment-351621</link>
		<dc:creator>Nick (ex South Africa)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Jun 2009 12:02:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The unilateral Israeli Gaza withdrawal showed that a &#039;land for peace&#039; good-faith &#039;loan&#039; with regard West Bank and Gazan Arabs or at least those that represent them, is a bad bet. 

Having trashed their credit rating so egregiously they, and onlooker, can&#039;t expect Israel to treat them as anything other than a bad bet.

It&#039;s going to be a long road. A good place to start would be the Hamas constitution and the institutionalized Arab Jew hatred. That&#039;s what outside pressure should be focusing on. 

The &#039;settlements&#039; are a complete smokescreen, a non issue. Israel has already demonstrated this in Sinai and Gaza.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The unilateral Israeli Gaza withdrawal showed that a &#8216;land for peace&#8217; good-faith &#8216;loan&#8217; with regard West Bank and Gazan Arabs or at least those that represent them, is a bad bet. </p>
<p>Having trashed their credit rating so egregiously they, and onlooker, can&#8217;t expect Israel to treat them as anything other than a bad bet.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s going to be a long road. A good place to start would be the Hamas constitution and the institutionalized Arab Jew hatred. That&#8217;s what outside pressure should be focusing on. </p>
<p>The &#8217;settlements&#8217; are a complete smokescreen, a non issue. Israel has already demonstrated this in Sinai and Gaza.</p>
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		<title>By: Vanishing Point</title>
		<link>http://hurryupharry.org/2009/06/06/in-praise-of-liberal-incrementalism/comment-page-1/#comment-351570</link>
		<dc:creator>Vanishing Point</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Jun 2009 09:57:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wrong analogy in the Middle East context, Danish. A number of commenters here are saying that phoning the plumber is not going to get you that much-needed pint.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wrong analogy in the Middle East context, Danish. A number of commenters here are saying that phoning the plumber is not going to get you that much-needed pint.</p>
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		<title>By: Danish Cartoonist</title>
		<link>http://hurryupharry.org/2009/06/06/in-praise-of-liberal-incrementalism/comment-page-1/#comment-351566</link>
		<dc:creator>Danish Cartoonist</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Jun 2009 09:41:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>An incrementalist is someone who thinks that putting one foot in front of the other is the better approach if they want to go out for a drink, rather than staying in and waiting for the invention of a teleportation machine.

It seems a number of commenters here would prefer to stay indoors with the curtains closed, arguing that the impossibility of teleportation means venturing out is out of the question.

Myself, I&#039;m a signed-up member of Hasek&#039;s Party of Moderate Progress within the Bounds of the Law, politics with a &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.radio.cz/en/html/beer2.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;purpose&lt;/a&gt;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>An incrementalist is someone who thinks that putting one foot in front of the other is the better approach if they want to go out for a drink, rather than staying in and waiting for the invention of a teleportation machine.</p>
<p>It seems a number of commenters here would prefer to stay indoors with the curtains closed, arguing that the impossibility of teleportation means venturing out is out of the question.</p>
<p>Myself, I&#8217;m a signed-up member of Hasek&#8217;s Party of Moderate Progress within the Bounds of the Law, politics with a <a href="http://www.radio.cz/en/html/beer2.html" rel="nofollow">purpose</a>.</p>
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		<title>By: spectrum</title>
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		<dc:creator>spectrum</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Jun 2009 09:41:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt; and listened to some radio discussions about Islam and Israel&lt;/i&gt;

Which ones?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i> and listened to some radio discussions about Islam and Israel</i></p>
<p>Which ones?</p>
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		<title>By: grand addy</title>
		<link>http://hurryupharry.org/2009/06/06/in-praise-of-liberal-incrementalism/comment-page-1/#comment-351549</link>
		<dc:creator>grand addy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Jun 2009 09:06:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>once again to..............</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>once again to&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;..</p>
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		<title>By: grand addy</title>
		<link>http://hurryupharry.org/2009/06/06/in-praise-of-liberal-incrementalism/comment-page-1/#comment-351544</link>
		<dc:creator>grand addy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Jun 2009 08:59:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>list end</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>list end</p>
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