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	<description>Liberty, if it means anything, is the right to tell people what they don&#039;t want to hear</description>
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		<title>By: Alex Stein</title>
		<link>http://hurryupharry.org/2009/05/24/disgrace/comment-page-7/#comment-347728</link>
		<dc:creator>Alex Stein</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 May 2009 15:32:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Israelinurse - are you consciously trying to distory my views? I never said that their opinions counted for less. I just said that interest in Jerusalem is declining among secular Israelis, a point also made by Michael Oren a few weeks back.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Israelinurse &#8211; are you consciously trying to distory my views? I never said that their opinions counted for less. I just said that interest in Jerusalem is declining among secular Israelis, a point also made by Michael Oren a few weeks back.</p>
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		<title>By: Israelinurse</title>
		<link>http://hurryupharry.org/2009/05/24/disgrace/comment-page-7/#comment-347700</link>
		<dc:creator>Israelinurse</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 May 2009 14:36:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sorry Alex -I didn&#039;t realise that the opinions of religious people, or indeed their cash, counted for less. Actually a friend just told me this morning about some English friends of his -a GP and a barrister -who have just bought a house in Jerusalem and are leaving London asap.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry Alex -I didn&#8217;t realise that the opinions of religious people, or indeed their cash, counted for less. Actually a friend just told me this morning about some English friends of his -a GP and a barrister -who have just bought a house in Jerusalem and are leaving London asap.</p>
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		<title>By: Alex Stein</title>
		<link>http://hurryupharry.org/2009/05/24/disgrace/comment-page-7/#comment-347587</link>
		<dc:creator>Alex Stein</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 May 2009 07:48:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Very clever, Israelinurse. But let&#039;s look a bit closer. First of all, it&#039;s only referring to buyers, thus excluding people in the country who rent. It also doesn&#039;t tell us who makes us this group. What percentage of them, for example, are religious? I&#039;d guess a vast majority. Needless to say, it&#039;s not particularly surprising to see you cut the crucial word &#039;secular&#039; from my statement about the declining interest in Jerusalem.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Very clever, Israelinurse. But let&#8217;s look a bit closer. First of all, it&#8217;s only referring to buyers, thus excluding people in the country who rent. It also doesn&#8217;t tell us who makes us this group. What percentage of them, for example, are religious? I&#8217;d guess a vast majority. Needless to say, it&#8217;s not particularly surprising to see you cut the crucial word &#8217;secular&#8217; from my statement about the declining interest in Jerusalem.</p>
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		<title>By: anon</title>
		<link>http://hurryupharry.org/2009/05/24/disgrace/comment-page-7/#comment-347559</link>
		<dc:creator>anon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 May 2009 01:25:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Liberty if it means anything at all means the right to tell people what they don;t want to hear&quot;

Way to go, HP-ers (with some obviously honorable exceptions)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Liberty if it means anything at all means the right to tell people what they don;t want to hear&#8221;</p>
<p>Way to go, HP-ers (with some obviously honorable exceptions)</p>
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		<title>By: Israelinurse</title>
		<link>http://hurryupharry.org/2009/05/24/disgrace/comment-page-7/#comment-347449</link>
		<dc:creator>Israelinurse</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 May 2009 19:30:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A rather timely report here showing that the most wanted place in Israel as far as real estate goes is.....Jerusalem!
http://www.ynet.co.il/english/articles/0,7340,L-3722415,00.html
So much for &#039;less and less&#039; Israelis having an interest in the capital.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A rather timely report here showing that the most wanted place in Israel as far as real estate goes is&#8230;..Jerusalem!<br />
<a href="http://www.ynet.co.il/english/articles/0,7340,L-3722415,00.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.ynet.co.il/english/articles/0,7340,L-3722415,00.html</a><br />
So much for &#8216;less and less&#8217; Israelis having an interest in the capital.</p>
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		<title>By: David All</title>
		<link>http://hurryupharry.org/2009/05/24/disgrace/comment-page-7/#comment-347371</link>
		<dc:creator>David All</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 May 2009 17:19:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Proclaiming that Jerusalem is the undivided capital of Israel will not make the Arabs of East Jerusalem into Israelis any more then the Union of Great Britain and Ireland made the Irish Catholic majority into loyal subjects of the Crown or making Algeria a part of France made the Muslim majority into good Frenchmen. Not recognizing this is sure a path to major trouble as the two examples cited above.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Proclaiming that Jerusalem is the undivided capital of Israel will not make the Arabs of East Jerusalem into Israelis any more then the Union of Great Britain and Ireland made the Irish Catholic majority into loyal subjects of the Crown or making Algeria a part of France made the Muslim majority into good Frenchmen. Not recognizing this is sure a path to major trouble as the two examples cited above.</p>
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		<title>By: David All</title>
		<link>http://hurryupharry.org/2009/05/24/disgrace/comment-page-7/#comment-347359</link>
		<dc:creator>David All</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 May 2009 17:02:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Slightly OT: For a fiery comment on the repressive laws Lieberman and his ultra-Nationalists are trying to force through in Israel see Snoopy the Goon&#039;s comment at http://simplyjews.blogspot.com/2009/05/yisrael-beiteinu-or-what.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Slightly OT: For a fiery comment on the repressive laws Lieberman and his ultra-Nationalists are trying to force through in Israel see Snoopy the Goon&#8217;s comment at <a href="http://simplyjews.blogspot.com/2009/05/yisrael-beiteinu-or-what.html" rel="nofollow">http://simplyjews.blogspot.com/2009/05/yisrael-beiteinu-or-what.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: Alex Stein</title>
		<link>http://hurryupharry.org/2009/05/24/disgrace/comment-page-7/#comment-347281</link>
		<dc:creator>Alex Stein</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 May 2009 14:25:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mitnaged - I will deal with these issues when I write my next post about the murder allegations, once I have cleared up what&#039;s happened with the investigation.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mitnaged &#8211; I will deal with these issues when I write my next post about the murder allegations, once I have cleared up what&#8217;s happened with the investigation.</p>
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		<title>By: MITNAGED</title>
		<link>http://hurryupharry.org/2009/05/24/disgrace/comment-page-7/#comment-347213</link>
		<dc:creator>MITNAGED</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 May 2009 12:32:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Alex, I&#039;d be interested to have your thoughts about HairShirt&#039;s:

&quot;&lt;i&gt;...Again you are missing the nuance here. Most people wouldn’t care one jot about Paraguay or whether you libelled it or not. However, sensitivities are so inflamed by the hype and carefully crafted anti-Israel “Goebbels big lie” -type propaganda outside Israel that any ill-thought-out criticisms you print about her fall on fertile ground -  because you are speaking as an Israeli  and are used as validation of the hatred of her.

&quot;The alternative is plain, Alex. You could think more carefully and craft your criticisms in a more measured, balanced way. No-one wants to deprive you of your right to criticise Israel, but you piss a lot of people off when you seem to be doing it for effect and state supposition or conjecture as hard fact...&lt;/i&gt;&quot;

more along the lines as to whether you actually understand what he/she is driving at.  I agree with the &quot;Goebbels&#039; Big Lie&quot; aspect of much of the rubbish which is put into the media about Israel, which is ill-researched and an insult to intelligence.  More and more of us are getting increasingly ticked off by anti-Israel information based on opinion being presented to us as hard fact, which is taken up and run with by idiots, who then spread it as if it&#039;s true and proven, and use it to spread hatred.  Don&#039;t you think that you have some sort of responsibility not to enable that?

I take your point that you don&#039;t write for Israeli newspapers because your Ivrit is not good enough yet.   What stops you from fast-tracking to get it better?

I wonder whether HairShirt believes you are related to Seth Freedman?  From my observations, he brings out all his family in force to protect him when he&#039;s being disagreed with on CiF.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Alex, I&#8217;d be interested to have your thoughts about HairShirt&#8217;s:</p>
<p>&#8220;<i>&#8230;Again you are missing the nuance here. Most people wouldn’t care one jot about Paraguay or whether you libelled it or not. However, sensitivities are so inflamed by the hype and carefully crafted anti-Israel “Goebbels big lie” -type propaganda outside Israel that any ill-thought-out criticisms you print about her fall on fertile ground &#8211;  because you are speaking as an Israeli  and are used as validation of the hatred of her.</p>
<p>&#8220;The alternative is plain, Alex. You could think more carefully and craft your criticisms in a more measured, balanced way. No-one wants to deprive you of your right to criticise Israel, but you piss a lot of people off when you seem to be doing it for effect and state supposition or conjecture as hard fact&#8230;</i>&#8221;</p>
<p>more along the lines as to whether you actually understand what he/she is driving at.  I agree with the &#8220;Goebbels&#8217; Big Lie&#8221; aspect of much of the rubbish which is put into the media about Israel, which is ill-researched and an insult to intelligence.  More and more of us are getting increasingly ticked off by anti-Israel information based on opinion being presented to us as hard fact, which is taken up and run with by idiots, who then spread it as if it&#8217;s true and proven, and use it to spread hatred.  Don&#8217;t you think that you have some sort of responsibility not to enable that?</p>
<p>I take your point that you don&#8217;t write for Israeli newspapers because your Ivrit is not good enough yet.   What stops you from fast-tracking to get it better?</p>
<p>I wonder whether HairShirt believes you are related to Seth Freedman?  From my observations, he brings out all his family in force to protect him when he&#8217;s being disagreed with on CiF.</p>
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		<title>By: Alex Stein</title>
		<link>http://hurryupharry.org/2009/05/24/disgrace/comment-page-7/#comment-347071</link>
		<dc:creator>Alex Stein</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 May 2009 06:12:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>HairShirt - we&#039;re going round and round now. Btw, who&#039;s my cousin? 

Yohoho - my Hebrew writing is not yet good enough to write op-eds in, although I do occasionally have stuff in Haaretz English edition. Give me some time...

Blinkandyoumissit - I&#039;ve already dealt with this issue.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>HairShirt &#8211; we&#8217;re going round and round now. Btw, who&#8217;s my cousin? </p>
<p>Yohoho &#8211; my Hebrew writing is not yet good enough to write op-eds in, although I do occasionally have stuff in Haaretz English edition. Give me some time&#8230;</p>
<p>Blinkandyoumissit &#8211; I&#8217;ve already dealt with this issue.</p>
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