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	<description>Liberty, if it means anything, is the right to tell people what they don&#039;t want to hear</description>
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		<title>By: Merkin</title>
		<link>http://hurryupharry.org/2009/05/16/comment-is-curtailed/comment-page-1/#comment-343227</link>
		<dc:creator>Merkin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 May 2009 23:28:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As SilentHunter said, treat it as a badge of honour.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As SilentHunter said, treat it as a badge of honour.</p>
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		<title>By: Sue R</title>
		<link>http://hurryupharry.org/2009/05/16/comment-is-curtailed/comment-page-1/#comment-343166</link>
		<dc:creator>Sue R</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 May 2009 20:24:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have been wondering of late how it can possibly be that educated, progressive people actually think there is nothing wrong with supporting murderous, barbaric, mysognist thugs and then I realised.  The wonderful thing about Islamacists is that they are not members of the white working class.  The dilitanttes of the Guardian etc actually hate organised labour more than they do Islamacists.  Their own working class is insufficiently deferential, yet the &#039;Oriental&#039; or &#039;exotic foreigner&#039; appears sufficiently respectful and polite,  easy to patronise and fawning.  Hell, these people are so grateful for the attention and it proves that the Westerner is morally and politically superior to other Westerners who can&#039;t see beyond their own racism.  If organised Labour should actually effect a transformation in society, these people know that there privilidged lives would not continue as they are, but if the &#039;exotics&#039; take over they would be able to win all sorts of concessions by aiding them at this time.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have been wondering of late how it can possibly be that educated, progressive people actually think there is nothing wrong with supporting murderous, barbaric, mysognist thugs and then I realised.  The wonderful thing about Islamacists is that they are not members of the white working class.  The dilitanttes of the Guardian etc actually hate organised labour more than they do Islamacists.  Their own working class is insufficiently deferential, yet the &#8216;Oriental&#8217; or &#8216;exotic foreigner&#8217; appears sufficiently respectful and polite,  easy to patronise and fawning.  Hell, these people are so grateful for the attention and it proves that the Westerner is morally and politically superior to other Westerners who can&#8217;t see beyond their own racism.  If organised Labour should actually effect a transformation in society, these people know that there privilidged lives would not continue as they are, but if the &#8216;exotics&#8217; take over they would be able to win all sorts of concessions by aiding them at this time.</p>
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		<title>By: MITNAGED</title>
		<link>http://hurryupharry.org/2009/05/16/comment-is-curtailed/comment-page-1/#comment-343136</link>
		<dc:creator>MITNAGED</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 May 2009 18:09:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>They do say that what goes around comes around and may I be there to witness it when it does for Georgina Henry and CiF.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>They do say that what goes around comes around and may I be there to witness it when it does for Georgina Henry and CiF.</p>
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		<title>By: mettaculture</title>
		<link>http://hurryupharry.org/2009/05/16/comment-is-curtailed/comment-page-1/#comment-343116</link>
		<dc:creator>mettaculture</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 May 2009 16:28:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Absolutely one of the certain criteria used for censoring at CIF is any citation of Muslim texts, even those deemed authoritative by Muslims themselves.

- Further as some have realised citing Muslim websites (even say, Qaradawi&#039;s Islam online) gets one censored.

- Citing Arabic language sources gets one censored.

- using the word Islamist gets one censored. I long ago stopped commenting at CIF.  I naively thought that people really did need to know about Islamism as a political ideology as distinct from Islam.  All of these posts were censored.

The &#039;direction&#039; of CIF is clear and part of it represents a systematic campaign of disinformation and censorship, deliberately intended to prevent a wider understanding of the theo-political nature of Islamism, and an informed debate.

Obviously they are very psychologically flawed people who having made a decision to support Islamism in general and excuse Hamas and Hizb&#039;Allah as the new cool anti-Imperial resistance movement, have no intention of seeing or letting anyone else see the dark nature of the Theocratic fascists they have climbed into bed with.

Its very funny that Islamists like makbool Javaid and Selma Yaqoob are now objecting to the very term Islamism (I very first heard the term from the lips of a Khommeneite revolutionary) as if it means &#039;Islamic fascism&#039;.

Well it does you creeps and if you get rid of Islamism you will find the ridiculous portmanteau (oh joy) &#039;Islamophobia&#039; binned too.

What the Guardian and CIF have done is far more egregious.  They have subverted any clear decent meaningful use of the term anti-fascism and anti-racism.

As the response to Caryl Churchills play has shown, there is a large majority of peopl  who would consider themselves by their views and past actions to be anti-racist activists, who are incapabble of seeing the most blatant racism in that shit of a play that the simplest of substitutions reveals.

These anti-racists have shown themselves as only selectively anti-racist, simply holding a different and inverted racial hierachy of contempt from those they endlessely accuse of racism.

I will not be taking any notice of anything the say about the BNP, they are incapable of seeing that it is their contempt for the vast majority of British people who don&#039;t think that having to live in a society that has produced Jihadis out of neighbours and school mates and many more sympathisers is cool anti-imperialism at all.

I hate the BNP.  They are racists they are weird and nasty and stupid and incompetent.

They might make some electoral gains but even so will be excluded from the institutions of power and patronage that make up the silent state.

Even with their disgusting presence in parliamentary politics they will be a long way from the influence that has enabled Islamists to establish what increasingly looks like an Islamist shadow state.

A racist intolerant anti-democratic communalist force has been established, aided and abetted by a racist (as we now can see clearly) liberal elite.

This liberal &#039;progressive&#039; elite has always been there.  They are not the decendents of the classical liberalism of JS Milne.

They do not decend directly from the Labour movement, but come from the authoritarian poor law reformers and workhouse builders, the eugenicists and mandatory sterilisers of the insane,idle and infirm.

They are the Temperance campaigners so convinced in their moral mission and puritanical zeal that they have every right to decide the direction that others must follow.

They are the Social Hygienist femminists obsessed with the promiscuous behaviour of urban poor women that they went out under lamplight to find the places of iniquity to turn the women over to the authorities for enforced testing and treatment for Syphilis and often for sterilisation.

They are the Georgina Henry&#039;s of the world. They are the dark side of the progressive tradition, that unchallenged wreak incredible damage upon society through their unflagging sense of self righteousness dependent on a monstrous ego.

I wonder how much she has earned from all the accumulated toxic anti-semitic posts festering in the swill at CIF?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Absolutely one of the certain criteria used for censoring at CIF is any citation of Muslim texts, even those deemed authoritative by Muslims themselves.</p>
<p>- Further as some have realised citing Muslim websites (even say, Qaradawi&#8217;s Islam online) gets one censored.</p>
<p>- Citing Arabic language sources gets one censored.</p>
<p>- using the word Islamist gets one censored. I long ago stopped commenting at CIF.  I naively thought that people really did need to know about Islamism as a political ideology as distinct from Islam.  All of these posts were censored.</p>
<p>The &#8216;direction&#8217; of CIF is clear and part of it represents a systematic campaign of disinformation and censorship, deliberately intended to prevent a wider understanding of the theo-political nature of Islamism, and an informed debate.</p>
<p>Obviously they are very psychologically flawed people who having made a decision to support Islamism in general and excuse Hamas and Hizb&#8217;Allah as the new cool anti-Imperial resistance movement, have no intention of seeing or letting anyone else see the dark nature of the Theocratic fascists they have climbed into bed with.</p>
<p>Its very funny that Islamists like makbool Javaid and Selma Yaqoob are now objecting to the very term Islamism (I very first heard the term from the lips of a Khommeneite revolutionary) as if it means &#8216;Islamic fascism&#8217;.</p>
<p>Well it does you creeps and if you get rid of Islamism you will find the ridiculous portmanteau (oh joy) &#8216;Islamophobia&#8217; binned too.</p>
<p>What the Guardian and CIF have done is far more egregious.  They have subverted any clear decent meaningful use of the term anti-fascism and anti-racism.</p>
<p>As the response to Caryl Churchills play has shown, there is a large majority of peopl  who would consider themselves by their views and past actions to be anti-racist activists, who are incapabble of seeing the most blatant racism in that shit of a play that the simplest of substitutions reveals.</p>
<p>These anti-racists have shown themselves as only selectively anti-racist, simply holding a different and inverted racial hierachy of contempt from those they endlessely accuse of racism.</p>
<p>I will not be taking any notice of anything the say about the BNP, they are incapable of seeing that it is their contempt for the vast majority of British people who don&#8217;t think that having to live in a society that has produced Jihadis out of neighbours and school mates and many more sympathisers is cool anti-imperialism at all.</p>
<p>I hate the BNP.  They are racists they are weird and nasty and stupid and incompetent.</p>
<p>They might make some electoral gains but even so will be excluded from the institutions of power and patronage that make up the silent state.</p>
<p>Even with their disgusting presence in parliamentary politics they will be a long way from the influence that has enabled Islamists to establish what increasingly looks like an Islamist shadow state.</p>
<p>A racist intolerant anti-democratic communalist force has been established, aided and abetted by a racist (as we now can see clearly) liberal elite.</p>
<p>This liberal &#8216;progressive&#8217; elite has always been there.  They are not the decendents of the classical liberalism of JS Milne.</p>
<p>They do not decend directly from the Labour movement, but come from the authoritarian poor law reformers and workhouse builders, the eugenicists and mandatory sterilisers of the insane,idle and infirm.</p>
<p>They are the Temperance campaigners so convinced in their moral mission and puritanical zeal that they have every right to decide the direction that others must follow.</p>
<p>They are the Social Hygienist femminists obsessed with the promiscuous behaviour of urban poor women that they went out under lamplight to find the places of iniquity to turn the women over to the authorities for enforced testing and treatment for Syphilis and often for sterilisation.</p>
<p>They are the Georgina Henry&#8217;s of the world. They are the dark side of the progressive tradition, that unchallenged wreak incredible damage upon society through their unflagging sense of self righteousness dependent on a monstrous ego.</p>
<p>I wonder how much she has earned from all the accumulated toxic anti-semitic posts festering in the swill at CIF?</p>
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		<title>By: Jay Kactuz</title>
		<link>http://hurryupharry.org/2009/05/16/comment-is-curtailed/comment-page-1/#comment-343070</link>
		<dc:creator>Jay Kactuz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 May 2009 15:03:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Comment is free&quot; as long as they approve of what you say, particularly relating to Islam. Otherwise, it isn&#039;t just not free, its forbidden. As far as I am concerned, the Guardian might as well let the Saudi &quot;religious police&quot; review all comments.   Maybe they do.

I have been banned from CIF for years. My crime?   Saying unkind but very true things about Islam.  Note that I always took care to link any statement about Islam to online texts of the Quran and hadith or to Muslim websites and other Internet sources.

http://www.kactuzkid.com/censored.html

Truth and freedom of expression mean nothing to the Guardian.  It and so many other institutions (academia, government, the press, COE, etc.) have chosen to turn their back on the values of Western Civilization and to support and protect an ideology that teaches hate and violence.  These foolish people are only adding to the sorrows that will certaining come when their creature starts to devour its keepers.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Comment is free&#8221; as long as they approve of what you say, particularly relating to Islam. Otherwise, it isn&#8217;t just not free, its forbidden. As far as I am concerned, the Guardian might as well let the Saudi &#8220;religious police&#8221; review all comments.   Maybe they do.</p>
<p>I have been banned from CIF for years. My crime?   Saying unkind but very true things about Islam.  Note that I always took care to link any statement about Islam to online texts of the Quran and hadith or to Muslim websites and other Internet sources.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.kactuzkid.com/censored.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.kactuzkid.com/censored.html</a></p>
<p>Truth and freedom of expression mean nothing to the Guardian.  It and so many other institutions (academia, government, the press, COE, etc.) have chosen to turn their back on the values of Western Civilization and to support and protect an ideology that teaches hate and violence.  These foolish people are only adding to the sorrows that will certaining come when their creature starts to devour its keepers.</p>
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		<title>By: mettaculture</title>
		<link>http://hurryupharry.org/2009/05/16/comment-is-curtailed/comment-page-1/#comment-343022</link>
		<dc:creator>mettaculture</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 May 2009 13:18:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>MITNAGED

&#039;Henry / CiF makes money from hits to blogs.&#039;

Really so we can actually quantify the amount of money that Georgina Henry makes from racist filth and anti-semitic hysteria?

Who, or what, the fuck is a Georgina Henry?

I am serious is it a name a title or an ideological position with a direction of travel?

Clearly it is enormously self regarding and incapable of grasping the immense evil it is fostering and re-introducing into polite society, while all the time receiving a directly enumerable payment for doing so.

It is vile but presumably quantifiably so.  

CIF can be measured both by the content and number of pro-islamist anti-israeli and anti-jewish articles (yes we have Carol Churchill to thank for the fact that we can count the useage of the J word again) and&#039;

by the obvious anti-semitism of so many of the comments.

Having a moderation policy, especially one that can be shown to be so biased, is actually a smoking gun for the presence of a systemic anti-semitic, pro-islamist, Israel annhialationist bias at CIF.

When you moderate and remove posts you become accountable for those you leave behind, call it an agenda.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>MITNAGED</p>
<p>&#8216;Henry / CiF makes money from hits to blogs.&#8217;</p>
<p>Really so we can actually quantify the amount of money that Georgina Henry makes from racist filth and anti-semitic hysteria?</p>
<p>Who, or what, the fuck is a Georgina Henry?</p>
<p>I am serious is it a name a title or an ideological position with a direction of travel?</p>
<p>Clearly it is enormously self regarding and incapable of grasping the immense evil it is fostering and re-introducing into polite society, while all the time receiving a directly enumerable payment for doing so.</p>
<p>It is vile but presumably quantifiably so.  </p>
<p>CIF can be measured both by the content and number of pro-islamist anti-israeli and anti-jewish articles (yes we have Carol Churchill to thank for the fact that we can count the useage of the J word again) and&#8217;</p>
<p>by the obvious anti-semitism of so many of the comments.</p>
<p>Having a moderation policy, especially one that can be shown to be so biased, is actually a smoking gun for the presence of a systemic anti-semitic, pro-islamist, Israel annhialationist bias at CIF.</p>
<p>When you moderate and remove posts you become accountable for those you leave behind, call it an agenda.</p>
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		<title>By: MITNAGED</title>
		<link>http://hurryupharry.org/2009/05/16/comment-is-curtailed/comment-page-1/#comment-343003</link>
		<dc:creator>MITNAGED</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 May 2009 11:47:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Brett, you make an interesting point about the motives of the Guardian, vis a vis their belief that brown people cannot speak for themselves.

I have held this belief for quite some time, that al-Guardian&#039;s attitude towards Palestinians and other Muslims is a sort of inverse racism which, far from empowering them, keeps them in a child-like dependent state. 

Which, of course, is what their leaders do.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Brett, you make an interesting point about the motives of the Guardian, vis a vis their belief that brown people cannot speak for themselves.</p>
<p>I have held this belief for quite some time, that al-Guardian&#8217;s attitude towards Palestinians and other Muslims is a sort of inverse racism which, far from empowering them, keeps them in a child-like dependent state. </p>
<p>Which, of course, is what their leaders do.</p>
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		<title>By: Trundlemaster</title>
		<link>http://hurryupharry.org/2009/05/16/comment-is-curtailed/comment-page-1/#comment-342997</link>
		<dc:creator>Trundlemaster</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 May 2009 10:55:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Someone said:
&quot;I have done so for a long time now.&quot;
The only reason for reading CiF is if you want to vomit but can&#039;t be arsed with messing about with all that &#039;fingers down the throat&#039; business.   

CiF is just one of the political sites I now boycott because of the shreiking prescence of Galloway and Hamas worshippers and thinly veiled antisemites.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Someone said:<br />
&#8220;I have done so for a long time now.&#8221;<br />
The only reason for reading CiF is if you want to vomit but can&#8217;t be arsed with messing about with all that &#8216;fingers down the throat&#8217; business.   </p>
<p>CiF is just one of the political sites I now boycott because of the shreiking prescence of Galloway and Hamas worshippers and thinly veiled antisemites.</p>
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		<title>By: Roley Poley Dahl</title>
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		<dc:creator>Roley Poley Dahl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 May 2009 08:35:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Have never read CiF thanks to Harry&#039;s Place, don&#039;t intend to now and feel much better for it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Have never read CiF thanks to Harry&#8217;s Place, don&#8217;t intend to now and feel much better for it.</p>
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		<title>By: Brett</title>
		<link>http://hurryupharry.org/2009/05/16/comment-is-curtailed/comment-page-1/#comment-342968</link>
		<dc:creator>Brett</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 May 2009 07:50:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I notice that the comments following Dennis McShane&#039;s piece on MP&#039;s expenses is almost universally hostile, and some link to external data to show up the deficiencies in the author&#039;s argument.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2009/may/17/michaelmartin-mps-expenses

Yet, the CiF mods didn&#039;t step in for Mr McShane. So why did they feel they needed to mollycoddle Mr Begg? Racism perhaps? The cheuvanistic belief that brown people can&#039;t speak for themselves?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I notice that the comments following Dennis McShane&#8217;s piece on MP&#8217;s expenses is almost universally hostile, and some link to external data to show up the deficiencies in the author&#8217;s argument.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2009/may/17/michaelmartin-mps-expenses" rel="nofollow">http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2009/may/17/michaelmartin-mps-expenses</a></p>
<p>Yet, the CiF mods didn&#8217;t step in for Mr McShane. So why did they feel they needed to mollycoddle Mr Begg? Racism perhaps? The cheuvanistic belief that brown people can&#8217;t speak for themselves?</p>
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