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	<description>Liberty, if it means anything, is the right to tell people what they don&#039;t want to hear</description>
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		<title>By: Flaming Fairy</title>
		<link>http://hurryupharry.org/2009/05/07/laicite/comment-page-4/#comment-339977</link>
		<dc:creator>Flaming Fairy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 May 2009 12:15:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;No, I agree calling someone a bitch or a cunt is obviously gender-loaded.&lt;/i&gt;

Is it?  I call people of both genders both of these things.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>No, I agree calling someone a bitch or a cunt is obviously gender-loaded.</i></p>
<p>Is it?  I call people of both genders both of these things.</p>
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		<title>By: alison</title>
		<link>http://hurryupharry.org/2009/05/07/laicite/comment-page-4/#comment-339682</link>
		<dc:creator>alison</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 10 May 2009 16:51:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sure it does. As long as the terms bitch and cunt get thrown around with gay abandon. And especially when dealing with a mysoginist like Perez Hilton.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sure it does. As long as the terms bitch and cunt get thrown around with gay abandon. And especially when dealing with a mysoginist like Perez Hilton.</p>
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		<title>By: Was</title>
		<link>http://hurryupharry.org/2009/05/07/laicite/comment-page-4/#comment-339629</link>
		<dc:creator>Was</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 10 May 2009 14:40:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No, I agree calling someone a bitch or a cunt is obviously gender-loaded. Does the general acceptance of other terms used to demean groups of people make using established hate speech such as &#039;faggot&#039; acceptable? Being a Tory and feminist seems more plausible than a feminist homophobe though.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No, I agree calling someone a bitch or a cunt is obviously gender-loaded. Does the general acceptance of other terms used to demean groups of people make using established hate speech such as &#8216;faggot&#8217; acceptable? Being a Tory and feminist seems more plausible than a feminist homophobe though.</p>
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		<title>By: alison</title>
		<link>http://hurryupharry.org/2009/05/07/laicite/comment-page-4/#comment-339538</link>
		<dc:creator>alison</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 10 May 2009 11:33:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh really Waz? And since you didn&#039;t bother reading the post I&#039;m damn sure you must feel the same way about the words &quot;bitch&quot; and &quot;cunt&quot;. Noone has yet gotten around to making either of those words bigoted hate speech. But I am sure you will curiously figure out I&#039;m not a feminist by your same drive-by logic. And who wouldn&#039;t be hostile to Islam. There is nothing to like.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh really Waz? And since you didn&#8217;t bother reading the post I&#8217;m damn sure you must feel the same way about the words &#8220;bitch&#8221; and &#8220;cunt&#8221;. Noone has yet gotten around to making either of those words bigoted hate speech. But I am sure you will curiously figure out I&#8217;m not a feminist by your same drive-by logic. And who wouldn&#8217;t be hostile to Islam. There is nothing to like.</p>
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		<title>By: qidniz</title>
		<link>http://hurryupharry.org/2009/05/07/laicite/comment-page-4/#comment-339426</link>
		<dc:creator>qidniz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 10 May 2009 04:59:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Interestingly enough, this &quot;Coexist Foundation&quot; outfit has a parallel web site in Arabic.  Why only Arabic?

And, chasing down their Registered Charity number (1113284) leads to &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.charity-commission.gov.uk/ShowCharity/RegisterOfCharities/CharityWithPartB.aspx?RegisteredCharityNumber=1113284&amp;SubsidiaryNumber=0&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;this&lt;/a&gt;, which speaks for itself.

A shell.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Interestingly enough, this &#8220;Coexist Foundation&#8221; outfit has a parallel web site in Arabic.  Why only Arabic?</p>
<p>And, chasing down their Registered Charity number (1113284) leads to <a href="http://www.charity-commission.gov.uk/ShowCharity/RegisterOfCharities/CharityWithPartB.aspx?RegisteredCharityNumber=1113284&amp;SubsidiaryNumber=0" rel="nofollow">this</a>, which speaks for itself.</p>
<p>A shell.</p>
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		<title>By: qidniz</title>
		<link>http://hurryupharry.org/2009/05/07/laicite/comment-page-4/#comment-339423</link>
		<dc:creator>qidniz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 10 May 2009 03:32:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Interesting &lt;a href=&quot;http://fora.tv/2008/07/01/Irshad_Manji_and_Dalia_Mogahed_-_Who_Speaks_for_Islam&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;panel discussion&lt;/a&gt; featuring Dalia Mogahed and Irshad Manji.  

Watch Mogahed squirm, e.g., when asked directly, &quot;Is Islam a religion of peace?&quot;  

And towards the end (about 53:00), when Manji makes an interesting point about reinterpretation of texts, Mogahed lies through her teeth to support her basic line, that &quot;Islam is perfect, it&#039;s all politics only&quot; (which of course the leftistas on this blog will be only too glad to hear.)

Not to mention that she thinks highly of Sheikh Ali Gomaa...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Interesting <a href="http://fora.tv/2008/07/01/Irshad_Manji_and_Dalia_Mogahed_-_Who_Speaks_for_Islam" rel="nofollow">panel discussion</a> featuring Dalia Mogahed and Irshad Manji.  </p>
<p>Watch Mogahed squirm, e.g., when asked directly, &#8220;Is Islam a religion of peace?&#8221;  </p>
<p>And towards the end (about 53:00), when Manji makes an interesting point about reinterpretation of texts, Mogahed lies through her teeth to support her basic line, that &#8220;Islam is perfect, it&#8217;s all politics only&#8221; (which of course the leftistas on this blog will be only too glad to hear.)</p>
<p>Not to mention that she thinks highly of Sheikh Ali Gomaa&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: qidniz</title>
		<link>http://hurryupharry.org/2009/05/07/laicite/comment-page-4/#comment-339422</link>
		<dc:creator>qidniz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 10 May 2009 03:15:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Going by &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.muslimwestfacts.com/mwf/109492/Publications.aspx&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;this page&lt;/a&gt; on the &quot;Muslim West Facts Project&quot; site, this survey doesn&#039;t appear to be much more than a PR offensive (probably Saudi-funded) by two well-known hacks, the authors of &lt;i&gt;Who Speaks for Islam?&lt;/i&gt;  

Zero credibility.  Next.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Going by <a href="http://www.muslimwestfacts.com/mwf/109492/Publications.aspx" rel="nofollow">this page</a> on the &#8220;Muslim West Facts Project&#8221; site, this survey doesn&#8217;t appear to be much more than a PR offensive (probably Saudi-funded) by two well-known hacks, the authors of <i>Who Speaks for Islam?</i>  </p>
<p>Zero credibility.  Next.</p>
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		<title>By: Was</title>
		<link>http://hurryupharry.org/2009/05/07/laicite/comment-page-4/#comment-339421</link>
		<dc:creator>Was</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 10 May 2009 02:52:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Your use of the phrase &#039;hoofter&#039; and &#039;nasty ugly little faggot&#039; on your blog leads me to believe that your hostility to Islam is not primarily based on its intolerance towards homosexuality then...?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Your use of the phrase &#8216;hoofter&#8217; and &#8216;nasty ugly little faggot&#8217; on your blog leads me to believe that your hostility to Islam is not primarily based on its intolerance towards homosexuality then&#8230;?</p>
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		<title>By: alison</title>
		<link>http://hurryupharry.org/2009/05/07/laicite/comment-page-4/#comment-339370</link>
		<dc:creator>alison</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 09 May 2009 21:02:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I should add that there was a huge survey done last year ( I forget which but can find a link later) that asked the French, with as broad a sample of backgrounds as possible, to identify with a religion or religious values. The overwhelming majority (75%) said they identified most closely with christianity/catholicism. 3% identified with Islam. Anecdotally that ties up with the people I knew there. It was only when the extremists turned it into the world&#039;s biggest mafioso styled gang that it became something to claim to belong to for kids. And nowhere more so than Britain where we elevate talking heads for that fucked up religion before they ever managed any enlightenment that would put them on a par with christianity and mean their opinion actually matters. We are least likely to hear any direct criticism of that religion in general out of some peculiar respect owed to &quot;moderate muslims&quot; as is often touted here by David T.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I should add that there was a huge survey done last year ( I forget which but can find a link later) that asked the French, with as broad a sample of backgrounds as possible, to identify with a religion or religious values. The overwhelming majority (75%) said they identified most closely with christianity/catholicism. 3% identified with Islam. Anecdotally that ties up with the people I knew there. It was only when the extremists turned it into the world&#8217;s biggest mafioso styled gang that it became something to claim to belong to for kids. And nowhere more so than Britain where we elevate talking heads for that fucked up religion before they ever managed any enlightenment that would put them on a par with christianity and mean their opinion actually matters. We are least likely to hear any direct criticism of that religion in general out of some peculiar respect owed to &#8220;moderate muslims&#8221; as is often touted here by David T.</p>
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		<title>By: alison</title>
		<link>http://hurryupharry.org/2009/05/07/laicite/comment-page-4/#comment-339366</link>
		<dc:creator>alison</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 09 May 2009 20:50:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>French Muslims

They were only referred to as French Muslims after 9/11. French friends of mine all of whom had their roots in North Africa were never called any such thing before that date.  Liberals crafted that nonsense in their PC efforts to pander to that religion.

Great to see OP commenting here again</description>
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<p>They were only referred to as French Muslims after 9/11. French friends of mine all of whom had their roots in North Africa were never called any such thing before that date.  Liberals crafted that nonsense in their PC efforts to pander to that religion.</p>
<p>Great to see OP commenting here again</p>
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