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		<title>By: Mike S</title>
		<link>http://hurryupharry.org/2009/04/20/how-will-the-left-respond/comment-page-3/#comment-332887</link>
		<dc:creator>Mike S</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Apr 2009 07:34:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks Felix.</description>
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		<title>By: Felix</title>
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		<dc:creator>Felix</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Apr 2009 06:29:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Someone

&quot;Felix, does you friend who goes rabid about Israel not have a brain? Can s/he not do some basic research? Going on rabidly about Israel and not about other countries sounds anti-Semitic to me.&quot;

No, she does have a brain and is most certainly not anti-semitic. She goes on rabidly, not only about Israel, but also about Bush, Berlusconi, Islamic fundamentalism. I think her prejudice about Israel is due to ignorance, as you say, not having done basic research. I could I think make some progress with her, but we don&#039;t see each other that often. With similar friemds I have got them to the point where I have asked them, &quot;Can YOU suggest an alternative way Israel could have reacted to Hamas?&quot; At this point they switch off and say &#039;they&#039; are all as bad as each other; we just don&#039;t like people being killed and then they ask me not to bring up the subject again.

Yes, there is a lot of stupidity in otherwise intelligent people. Not only in the field of politics, there are truths which people fear to touch. It&#039;s easier to have a scapegoat.

Anyone who reads HP has to be prepared to be hurt, and badly too. But facing the truths it reveals is more salutary then letting them fester on blindly.

What a mixed bagage we have in the &#039;Left&#039; now and in the world in general.

I appreciated Mike S&#039;s 11.16 pm letter.</description>
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<p>&#8220;Felix, does you friend who goes rabid about Israel not have a brain? Can s/he not do some basic research? Going on rabidly about Israel and not about other countries sounds anti-Semitic to me.&#8221;</p>
<p>No, she does have a brain and is most certainly not anti-semitic. She goes on rabidly, not only about Israel, but also about Bush, Berlusconi, Islamic fundamentalism. I think her prejudice about Israel is due to ignorance, as you say, not having done basic research. I could I think make some progress with her, but we don&#8217;t see each other that often. With similar friemds I have got them to the point where I have asked them, &#8220;Can YOU suggest an alternative way Israel could have reacted to Hamas?&#8221; At this point they switch off and say &#8216;they&#8217; are all as bad as each other; we just don&#8217;t like people being killed and then they ask me not to bring up the subject again.</p>
<p>Yes, there is a lot of stupidity in otherwise intelligent people. Not only in the field of politics, there are truths which people fear to touch. It&#8217;s easier to have a scapegoat.</p>
<p>Anyone who reads HP has to be prepared to be hurt, and badly too. But facing the truths it reveals is more salutary then letting them fester on blindly.</p>
<p>What a mixed bagage we have in the &#8216;Left&#8217; now and in the world in general.</p>
<p>I appreciated Mike S&#8217;s 11.16 pm letter.</p>
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		<title>By: EscapeVelocity (nwo)</title>
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		<dc:creator>EscapeVelocity (nwo)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Apr 2009 06:16:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Splitter!</description>
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		<title>By: paul fauvet</title>
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		<dc:creator>paul fauvet</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Apr 2009 05:39:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>DocMartyn should engage his brain before putting finger to keyboard.

Does he really imagine it was the international right that overthrew Pol Pot? Is he rewriting history so that the self-appointed champions of the free world, Ronald Reagan and Margaret Thatcher, rode to the rescue in Phom Penh?

In reality it was a left wing government, the communist regime in Vietnam, that overthrew Pol Pot and put an end to the Cambodian genocide.

And for the next decade or so, the United States disgracefully ensured that the Pol Pot regime, though it no longer existed, continued to hold the seat of &quot;Democratic Kampuchea&quot; at the United Nations.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>DocMartyn should engage his brain before putting finger to keyboard.</p>
<p>Does he really imagine it was the international right that overthrew Pol Pot? Is he rewriting history so that the self-appointed champions of the free world, Ronald Reagan and Margaret Thatcher, rode to the rescue in Phom Penh?</p>
<p>In reality it was a left wing government, the communist regime in Vietnam, that overthrew Pol Pot and put an end to the Cambodian genocide.</p>
<p>And for the next decade or so, the United States disgracefully ensured that the Pol Pot regime, though it no longer existed, continued to hold the seat of &#8220;Democratic Kampuchea&#8221; at the United Nations.</p>
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		<title>By: DocMartyn</title>
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		<dc:creator>DocMartyn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Apr 2009 00:08:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Marcus P  	     	

Of course. Leftists never criticise one another. [/bangs head against wall] FFS…

O.K. Marcus, what would you think if Conservative MP&#039;s, past and present were to join a platform with the BNP, the KKK and the Ayrian Nation?
Be a bit pissed off wouldn&#039;t you.
So what do you think if Labour MP&#039;s, past and present were to join a platform with the Communists, Trotskists, Jihadists and your basic evil motherfuckers?

Tony Benn, StWC President, former Labour Party MP and Cabinet Minister
Katy Clark MP, Labour Party MP for Ayrshire North &amp; Arran
Jeremy Corbyn, StWC officer, Labour Party MP for Islington North
Tam Dalyell, StWC Vice President, former Labour Party MP
George Galloway, StWC Vice-President, Former Labour Party MP, Respect MP for Bethnal Green and Bow.
Alice Mahon, StWC Vice President, former Labour Party MP
Vice-president CND and member of the Labour Party&#039;s National Executive Committee
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Andrew Murray, StWC chair, full-time ASLEF official, leading Communist Party of Britain member
Lindsey German, StWC convenor, Socialist Workers Party (SWP) Central Committee member, Respect candidate in the elections for Mayor of London
Chris Nineham, StWC officer, SWP Central Committee member
John Rees, StWC officer, SWP Central Committee member, Respect National Secretary
Salma Yaqoob, Birmingham City Councilor, Respect founding member
Kate Hudson, StWC officer, chair of the Campaign for Nuclear Disarmament
Caroline Lucas MEP, StWC Vice-President, Green Party of England and Wales
Keith Sonnet, StWC Vice-President, Deputy General Secretary of Unison
Tariq Ali, StWC Vice-President, anti-imperialist writer
Louise Christian, StWC Vice-President, Campaigning lawyer
Walter Wolfgang, StWC member, Vice-chair Labour CND,</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Marcus P  	     	</p>
<p>Of course. Leftists never criticise one another. [/bangs head against wall] FFS…</p>
<p>O.K. Marcus, what would you think if Conservative MP&#8217;s, past and present were to join a platform with the BNP, the KKK and the Ayrian Nation?<br />
Be a bit pissed off wouldn&#8217;t you.<br />
So what do you think if Labour MP&#8217;s, past and present were to join a platform with the Communists, Trotskists, Jihadists and your basic evil motherfuckers?</p>
<p>Tony Benn, StWC President, former Labour Party MP and Cabinet Minister<br />
Katy Clark MP, Labour Party MP for Ayrshire North &amp; Arran<br />
Jeremy Corbyn, StWC officer, Labour Party MP for Islington North<br />
Tam Dalyell, StWC Vice President, former Labour Party MP<br />
George Galloway, StWC Vice-President, Former Labour Party MP, Respect MP for Bethnal Green and Bow.<br />
Alice Mahon, StWC Vice President, former Labour Party MP<br />
Vice-president CND and member of the Labour Party&#8217;s National Executive Committee<br />
- &#8211; - &#8211; - &#8211; - &#8211; - &#8211; - &#8211; - &#8211; - &#8211; - &#8211; - &#8211; - &#8211; - &#8211; - &#8211; - &#8211; - &#8211; - &#8211; - &#8211; - &#8211; - &#8211; -<br />
Andrew Murray, StWC chair, full-time ASLEF official, leading Communist Party of Britain member<br />
Lindsey German, StWC convenor, Socialist Workers Party (SWP) Central Committee member, Respect candidate in the elections for Mayor of London<br />
Chris Nineham, StWC officer, SWP Central Committee member<br />
John Rees, StWC officer, SWP Central Committee member, Respect National Secretary<br />
Salma Yaqoob, Birmingham City Councilor, Respect founding member<br />
Kate Hudson, StWC officer, chair of the Campaign for Nuclear Disarmament<br />
Caroline Lucas MEP, StWC Vice-President, Green Party of England and Wales<br />
Keith Sonnet, StWC Vice-President, Deputy General Secretary of Unison<br />
Tariq Ali, StWC Vice-President, anti-imperialist writer<br />
Louise Christian, StWC Vice-President, Campaigning lawyer<br />
Walter Wolfgang, StWC member, Vice-chair Labour CND,</p>
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		<title>By: Mike S</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mike S</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Apr 2009 23:31:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Israeli Nurse
&quot;Look at the 10p tax debacle -what was socialist about that?&quot;
Nowt. And I&#039;m particularly proud that it was my mum and dad&#039;s Labour MP, the inestimable Frank Field who led the reversal of this. I wonder which Tories would have gone into bat for regular folks so effectively.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Israeli Nurse<br />
&#8220;Look at the 10p tax debacle -what was socialist about that?&#8221;<br />
Nowt. And I&#8217;m particularly proud that it was my mum and dad&#8217;s Labour MP, the inestimable Frank Field who led the reversal of this. I wonder which Tories would have gone into bat for regular folks so effectively.</p>
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		<title>By: Mike S</title>
		<link>http://hurryupharry.org/2009/04/20/how-will-the-left-respond/comment-page-3/#comment-332818</link>
		<dc:creator>Mike S</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Apr 2009 23:25:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Doc Martyn
&quot;So we on the right hate both Hitler and Pol Pot, whereas the left only hate Hitler; who was a National Socialist anyway (but we will not go there today).&quot;

Interesting then in the 1980s that it was lefty journalist Jon Pilger doing the most to condemn Pol Pot&#039;s atrocities, while the right-wing governments of the US and UK still supported his seat in the UN, and allegedly supplied him with weapons.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Doc Martyn<br />
&#8220;So we on the right hate both Hitler and Pol Pot, whereas the left only hate Hitler; who was a National Socialist anyway (but we will not go there today).&#8221;</p>
<p>Interesting then in the 1980s that it was lefty journalist Jon Pilger doing the most to condemn Pol Pot&#8217;s atrocities, while the right-wing governments of the US and UK still supported his seat in the UN, and allegedly supplied him with weapons.</p>
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		<title>By: Mike S</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mike S</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Apr 2009 23:16:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Israeli Nurse, I&#039;m not sure when you left the UK and returned, but I&#039;ve lived here all my life and I&#039;m a relapsed Labour Party member who has rejoined because of the danger of the heirs of Thatcher regaining power again. I have been disillusioned in the past by the timidity of the party in government, but they have made quiet steady progress in the NHS, in attacking child poverty (though they&#039;ve missed the rather ambitious targets they&#039;ve set for themselves), they&#039;ve pacified Northern Ireland, and most importantly they secured 10 years of economic growth not predicated on a high base level of structural unemployment. And in parry to your previous post: I don&#039;t earn over 50 grand a year, own a Chelsea Tractor, own a quarter of a mill house, or boycott Israeli goods. Though I try to buy Fairtrade stuff, I also try not not to shop in supermarkets in order to support small retailers, I think all the left-leaning people I know are pretty similar.

&quot;As New Labour have sold out the working classes, they really have very little political alternative these days and it’s hardly surprising (and very worrying) that they turn to the BNP when there’s no real (sane) socialist alternative out there.&quot;
Weirdly, this is not a million miles for a particularly patronising strand of bourgeois labour thinking that I&#039;ve encountered. That a falling labour vote represents a rump of working-class thinking that needs to be &quot;salvaged&quot; from the BNP. Despite all the evidence being that those people are going to the Lib Dems or the Tories.
We&#039;re in tough times in the UK, but would I want to go back in to 1983 and Tory class warfare? Not in a million years.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Israeli Nurse, I&#8217;m not sure when you left the UK and returned, but I&#8217;ve lived here all my life and I&#8217;m a relapsed Labour Party member who has rejoined because of the danger of the heirs of Thatcher regaining power again. I have been disillusioned in the past by the timidity of the party in government, but they have made quiet steady progress in the NHS, in attacking child poverty (though they&#8217;ve missed the rather ambitious targets they&#8217;ve set for themselves), they&#8217;ve pacified Northern Ireland, and most importantly they secured 10 years of economic growth not predicated on a high base level of structural unemployment. And in parry to your previous post: I don&#8217;t earn over 50 grand a year, own a Chelsea Tractor, own a quarter of a mill house, or boycott Israeli goods. Though I try to buy Fairtrade stuff, I also try not not to shop in supermarkets in order to support small retailers, I think all the left-leaning people I know are pretty similar.</p>
<p>&#8220;As New Labour have sold out the working classes, they really have very little political alternative these days and it’s hardly surprising (and very worrying) that they turn to the BNP when there’s no real (sane) socialist alternative out there.&#8221;<br />
Weirdly, this is not a million miles for a particularly patronising strand of bourgeois labour thinking that I&#8217;ve encountered. That a falling labour vote represents a rump of working-class thinking that needs to be &#8220;salvaged&#8221; from the BNP. Despite all the evidence being that those people are going to the Lib Dems or the Tories.<br />
We&#8217;re in tough times in the UK, but would I want to go back in to 1983 and Tory class warfare? Not in a million years.</p>
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		<title>By: Someone</title>
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		<dc:creator>Someone</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Apr 2009 23:15:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Look at the 10p tax debacle -what was socialist about that?&quot;

Taking from the poor to give to the government&#039;s billionaire mates - what&#039;s not socialist about that? 
Do get with the programme, it&#039;s 2009 and if Brown and Darling say it&#039;s socialist, it must be true! Just double your workload and stop criticising your betters.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Look at the 10p tax debacle -what was socialist about that?&#8221;</p>
<p>Taking from the poor to give to the government&#8217;s billionaire mates &#8211; what&#8217;s not socialist about that?<br />
Do get with the programme, it&#8217;s 2009 and if Brown and Darling say it&#8217;s socialist, it must be true! Just double your workload and stop criticising your betters.</p>
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		<title>By: Israelinurse</title>
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		<dc:creator>Israelinurse</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Apr 2009 22:27:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sue -I married into the Sephardi part; we&#039;re a very cosmopolitan family. I haven&#039;t come across many other 1/4 gypsy Jews!
To be honest, I don&#039;t expect any help at all re. the ME situation from the average Brit. I&#039;m sure they&#039;ve got enough to worry about. What I would like is a little less hinderance. I can&#039;t understand why people here can get so worked up about Israeli vegetables in a supermarket when there is so much to do in their own country. The gaps between the lower and middle classes seem to me to have widened considerably and I think that working class kids these days are worse off than in my generation when by rights, after 12 years of Labour in power, things should be much better. 
As New Labour have sold out the working classes, they really have very little political alternative these days and it&#039;s hardly surprising (and very worrying) that they turn to the BNP when there&#039;s no real (sane) socialist alternative out there.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sue -I married into the Sephardi part; we&#8217;re a very cosmopolitan family. I haven&#8217;t come across many other 1/4 gypsy Jews!<br />
To be honest, I don&#8217;t expect any help at all re. the ME situation from the average Brit. I&#8217;m sure they&#8217;ve got enough to worry about. What I would like is a little less hinderance. I can&#8217;t understand why people here can get so worked up about Israeli vegetables in a supermarket when there is so much to do in their own country. The gaps between the lower and middle classes seem to me to have widened considerably and I think that working class kids these days are worse off than in my generation when by rights, after 12 years of Labour in power, things should be much better.<br />
As New Labour have sold out the working classes, they really have very little political alternative these days and it&#8217;s hardly surprising (and very worrying) that they turn to the BNP when there&#8217;s no real (sane) socialist alternative out there.</p>
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