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	<description>Liberty, if it means anything, is the right to tell people what they don&#039;t want to hear</description>
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		<title>By: acab</title>
		<link>http://hurryupharry.org/2009/04/07/horrendous/comment-page-6/#comment-334227</link>
		<dc:creator>acab</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 25 Apr 2009 16:27:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Further video footage of the officer that murdered Ian Tomlinson can be seen here -in the hours that lead up to to vicious assult. One can see that this officer is no better -and probably far worse, than the protestors

http://link.brightcove.com/services/player/bcpid1184614595?bctid=20486073001</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Further video footage of the officer that murdered Ian Tomlinson can be seen here -in the hours that lead up to to vicious assult. One can see that this officer is no better -and probably far worse, than the protestors</p>
<p><a href="http://link.brightcove.com/services/player/bcpid1184614595?bctid=20486073001" rel="nofollow">http://link.brightcove.com/services/player/bcpid1184614595?bctid=20486073001</a></p>
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		<title>By: kmag</title>
		<link>http://hurryupharry.org/2009/04/07/horrendous/comment-page-6/#comment-328839</link>
		<dc:creator>kmag</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 11 Apr 2009 00:00:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>According to his father, his other son died a year ago from a massive heartache. He, too, was in his mid 40s. So, besides the lifestyle factors, there appears to be also a possible genetic component.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>According to his father, his other son died a year ago from a massive heartache. He, too, was in his mid 40s. So, besides the lifestyle factors, there appears to be also a possible genetic component.</p>
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		<title>By: Tagmuzlsx</title>
		<link>http://hurryupharry.org/2009/04/07/horrendous/comment-page-6/#comment-328459</link>
		<dc:creator>Tagmuzlsx</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Apr 2009 22:16:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It is obvious that his heart attack would have been triggered by other stressful circumstances, unless he a had a rare heart condition that only precipitated heart attacks if he was being pushed over by a riot policeman. If there is such a disease, I am not aware of it.

Ian Tomlinson was drunk, and did not move when the policeman asked him to move. The response of the policeman was completely appropriate and deserved. I was not referring to his subsequent heart attack. Anyone who did not understand what I was referring to obviously has poor reading and comprehension skills.

As for you &#039;The Plain Truth&#039;, you&#039;re sole contribution to this thread has been to level hysterical, baseless and emotive accusations at people who&#039;s opinions you dislike. Other than that, you obviously have nothing else to say.

I think you need to learn some maturity yourself.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It is obvious that his heart attack would have been triggered by other stressful circumstances, unless he a had a rare heart condition that only precipitated heart attacks if he was being pushed over by a riot policeman. If there is such a disease, I am not aware of it.</p>
<p>Ian Tomlinson was drunk, and did not move when the policeman asked him to move. The response of the policeman was completely appropriate and deserved. I was not referring to his subsequent heart attack. Anyone who did not understand what I was referring to obviously has poor reading and comprehension skills.</p>
<p>As for you &#8216;The Plain Truth&#8217;, you&#8217;re sole contribution to this thread has been to level hysterical, baseless and emotive accusations at people who&#8217;s opinions you dislike. Other than that, you obviously have nothing else to say.</p>
<p>I think you need to learn some maturity yourself.</p>
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		<title>By: kmag</title>
		<link>http://hurryupharry.org/2009/04/07/horrendous/comment-page-6/#comment-328184</link>
		<dc:creator>kmag</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Apr 2009 14:51:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Please. I see all sorts of outrageous and unsubstantiated comments and mostly by the people on the left.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Please. I see all sorts of outrageous and unsubstantiated comments and mostly by the people on the left.</p>
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		<title>By: The Plain Truth</title>
		<link>http://hurryupharry.org/2009/04/07/horrendous/comment-page-6/#comment-327967</link>
		<dc:creator>The Plain Truth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Apr 2009 09:26:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No it is not a factual statement to moralise that a man got what he deserved on the basis of your personal dislike, or that his heart would have given out later anyway on the basis of your medical &quot;skills&quot; and predictions. Nor is anyone seething about you. Those of us with small children recognise you for what you are and find you just a boring drudge with a need to annoy the adults which you rarely satisfy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No it is not a factual statement to moralise that a man got what he deserved on the basis of your personal dislike, or that his heart would have given out later anyway on the basis of your medical &#8220;skills&#8221; and predictions. Nor is anyone seething about you. Those of us with small children recognise you for what you are and find you just a boring drudge with a need to annoy the adults which you rarely satisfy.</p>
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		<title>By: Andrew Adams</title>
		<link>http://hurryupharry.org/2009/04/07/horrendous/comment-page-6/#comment-327930</link>
		<dc:creator>Andrew Adams</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Apr 2009 07:36:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Tagmuzlsx,

What is a factual statement? That he would have had the heart attack anyway regardless of what happened to him at the demonstration? Well it&#039;s reasonable speculation but we don&#039;t know enough at this stage to declare it a fact. Or do you mean it&#039;s a fact that he got what he deserved? If so would you like to justify that remark. In fact would you like to justify it anyway.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tagmuzlsx,</p>
<p>What is a factual statement? That he would have had the heart attack anyway regardless of what happened to him at the demonstration? Well it&#8217;s reasonable speculation but we don&#8217;t know enough at this stage to declare it a fact. Or do you mean it&#8217;s a fact that he got what he deserved? If so would you like to justify that remark. In fact would you like to justify it anyway.</p>
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		<title>By: Andrew Adams</title>
		<link>http://hurryupharry.org/2009/04/07/horrendous/comment-page-6/#comment-327925</link>
		<dc:creator>Andrew Adams</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Apr 2009 06:55:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Alec,

&lt;i&gt;if they wish politicos to face up to the unintended and deliriousness consequences of their actions from many thousands of miles away, they should apply appropriate introspection to their own actions.&lt;/i&gt;

What actions are they? Merely attending a lawful demonstration with the intention of protesting peacefully makes you partly responsible for anything bad that happens there? You might have more of a point if you at least directed your ire at those people who were actually intent on causing trouble but even then the behaviour of that police officer was so far removed from what could reasonably be expected in those circumstances you simply can&#039;t pin any of the responsibility on the protesters. 
Moreover it is worth considering how his actions were influenced by the mindset of the police in general on that day. The police were not all neccessarily neutral actors merely responding to events, their actions and decision, and the attitudes that informed them, had an influence on how things eventually turned out.  

&lt;i&gt;It’s just that one cannot then start preaching about what a wonderful person one is and who can effect world change can be effected by a half hour jolly up Threadneedle Street.&lt;/i&gt;

I haven&#039;t seen anyone claming that merely being on that march made them a wonderful person or that they were going to change the world. No doubt many of them believed they had a righteous cause and that by voicing their protest they were doing the right thing, but that is equally true of anyone who protests anywhere about anything in any way, including those who do so by commenting on the internet.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Alec,</p>
<p><i>if they wish politicos to face up to the unintended and deliriousness consequences of their actions from many thousands of miles away, they should apply appropriate introspection to their own actions.</i></p>
<p>What actions are they? Merely attending a lawful demonstration with the intention of protesting peacefully makes you partly responsible for anything bad that happens there? You might have more of a point if you at least directed your ire at those people who were actually intent on causing trouble but even then the behaviour of that police officer was so far removed from what could reasonably be expected in those circumstances you simply can&#8217;t pin any of the responsibility on the protesters.<br />
Moreover it is worth considering how his actions were influenced by the mindset of the police in general on that day. The police were not all neccessarily neutral actors merely responding to events, their actions and decision, and the attitudes that informed them, had an influence on how things eventually turned out.  </p>
<p><i>It’s just that one cannot then start preaching about what a wonderful person one is and who can effect world change can be effected by a half hour jolly up Threadneedle Street.</i></p>
<p>I haven&#8217;t seen anyone claming that merely being on that march made them a wonderful person or that they were going to change the world. No doubt many of them believed they had a righteous cause and that by voicing their protest they were doing the right thing, but that is equally true of anyone who protests anywhere about anything in any way, including those who do so by commenting on the internet.</p>
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		<title>By: Tagmuzlsx</title>
		<link>http://hurryupharry.org/2009/04/07/horrendous/comment-page-6/#comment-327913</link>
		<dc:creator>Tagmuzlsx</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Apr 2009 03:58:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Why is it that whenever I arrive at a topic where there are already 150+ posts and I scroll to the bottom I find Graham arguing about class but denying he is obsessed with class.&quot;

You&#039;ve only just noticed this!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Why is it that whenever I arrive at a topic where there are already 150+ posts and I scroll to the bottom I find Graham arguing about class but denying he is obsessed with class.&#8221;</p>
<p>You&#8217;ve only just noticed this!!</p>
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		<title>By: Tagmuzlsx</title>
		<link>http://hurryupharry.org/2009/04/07/horrendous/comment-page-6/#comment-327910</link>
		<dc:creator>Tagmuzlsx</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Apr 2009 03:07:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes it is a factual statement, and you are just jealous that you cannot come up with the same crystal clear insights like I do. The fact that you people feel the need to sling mud, censor or pretend what I say doesn&#039;t exist is irrefutable proof of my correctness.

You seethe because you know I am right.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes it is a factual statement, and you are just jealous that you cannot come up with the same crystal clear insights like I do. The fact that you people feel the need to sling mud, censor or pretend what I say doesn&#8217;t exist is irrefutable proof of my correctness.</p>
<p>You seethe because you know I am right.</p>
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		<title>By: The Plain Truth</title>
		<link>http://hurryupharry.org/2009/04/07/horrendous/comment-page-6/#comment-327897</link>
		<dc:creator>The Plain Truth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Apr 2009 00:15:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;No, It’s a factual statement.&lt;/i&gt;

No it is not a factual statement. It is childish emotionally retarded cretinism designed to shock and masquerading as a comment on an adult blog. That is why very few people have commented on it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>No, It’s a factual statement.</i></p>
<p>No it is not a factual statement. It is childish emotionally retarded cretinism designed to shock and masquerading as a comment on an adult blog. That is why very few people have commented on it.</p>
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