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	<title>Comments on: Daud Abdullah and Jerusalem</title>
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	<description>Liberty, if it means anything, is the right to tell people what they don&#039;t want to hear</description>
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		<title>By: Reet</title>
		<link>http://hurryupharry.org/2009/04/05/daud-abdullah-and-jerusalem/comment-page-1/#comment-327000</link>
		<dc:creator>Reet</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Apr 2009 22:14:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>“This is creating an environment that can only further alienate the Muslim community.”

The Muslim community alienates itself. There is nothing to stop people in the ghettoes of Bradford, the East End, Birmingham, Burnley etc from integrating into our remarkably tolerant and accommodating society just as other have and continue to do so.

They do not wish to do so. Then they whine about the disempowerment such a position causes, like its the fault of others: like for Muslims, everything is always, constantly, invariably, the fault of others. Hardly surprising then, worldwide Islam is a failed project if it lacks the capacity for self reflection, adaptation, and honest self criticism.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>“This is creating an environment that can only further alienate the Muslim community.”</p>
<p>The Muslim community alienates itself. There is nothing to stop people in the ghettoes of Bradford, the East End, Birmingham, Burnley etc from integrating into our remarkably tolerant and accommodating society just as other have and continue to do so.</p>
<p>They do not wish to do so. Then they whine about the disempowerment such a position causes, like its the fault of others: like for Muslims, everything is always, constantly, invariably, the fault of others. Hardly surprising then, worldwide Islam is a failed project if it lacks the capacity for self reflection, adaptation, and honest self criticism.</p>
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		<title>By: Reet</title>
		<link>http://hurryupharry.org/2009/04/05/daud-abdullah-and-jerusalem/comment-page-1/#comment-326996</link>
		<dc:creator>Reet</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Apr 2009 22:08:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;I’d be more likely to laugh off any suggestion that an entire religion, traditions and all, was vile as ignorance on your part&quot;

Why? 

The ideological and historic heart of Islam, exemplified by its leader Mohammed, would be condemned today much as we condemn Hitler. Massacring people because they disagree with a mumbo jumbo theology, as Mohammed did with the Banu Qurayza tribe, does not go down well in 2009. Muslims do not update this and make it acceptable, because they cannot: it dates back to a barbaric 1400 AD era and the only response we ever see from them is denial and getting hysterically &quot;insulted&quot; if anyone raises these subjects.

And &quot;ignorance&quot;? So can you show me any evidence, whatsoever, for the existence of imaginary &quot;Allah&quot;? And if you can, its 1400 years overdue.

The religion is wholly and thoroughly vile, when you look at how it started and what it was about. 

If there are more acceptable manifestations of Muslim society - which of course there are - that testifies to the influence and dilution of the modern evolving world, not to the heart and basis of Islam.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;I’d be more likely to laugh off any suggestion that an entire religion, traditions and all, was vile as ignorance on your part&#8221;</p>
<p>Why? </p>
<p>The ideological and historic heart of Islam, exemplified by its leader Mohammed, would be condemned today much as we condemn Hitler. Massacring people because they disagree with a mumbo jumbo theology, as Mohammed did with the Banu Qurayza tribe, does not go down well in 2009. Muslims do not update this and make it acceptable, because they cannot: it dates back to a barbaric 1400 AD era and the only response we ever see from them is denial and getting hysterically &#8220;insulted&#8221; if anyone raises these subjects.</p>
<p>And &#8220;ignorance&#8221;? So can you show me any evidence, whatsoever, for the existence of imaginary &#8220;Allah&#8221;? And if you can, its 1400 years overdue.</p>
<p>The religion is wholly and thoroughly vile, when you look at how it started and what it was about. </p>
<p>If there are more acceptable manifestations of Muslim society &#8211; which of course there are &#8211; that testifies to the influence and dilution of the modern evolving world, not to the heart and basis of Islam.</p>
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		<title>By: SayWhat??</title>
		<link>http://hurryupharry.org/2009/04/05/daud-abdullah-and-jerusalem/comment-page-1/#comment-326913</link>
		<dc:creator>SayWhat??</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Apr 2009 18:17:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;&lt;i&gt;..He cannot spin his way out of the record. Trying to do so, he may well take the MCB down with him. Now that would be good for Britain.&quot;&lt;/i&gt;

Indeed it would.  Oh, let it be!!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;<i>..He cannot spin his way out of the record. Trying to do so, he may well take the MCB down with him. Now that would be good for Britain.&#8221;</i></p>
<p>Indeed it would.  Oh, let it be!!!</p>
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		<title>By: Clive</title>
		<link>http://hurryupharry.org/2009/04/05/daud-abdullah-and-jerusalem/comment-page-1/#comment-326866</link>
		<dc:creator>Clive</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Apr 2009 15:42:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oliver Kamm on Islamophobia: 

&quot;This term is a fabricated and question-begging linguistic manoeuvre designed to present the protection of religious sensibilities as a civil liberty issue.&quot;

http://oliverkamm.typepad.com/blog/2006/10/the_islamophobi.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oliver Kamm on Islamophobia: </p>
<p>&#8220;This term is a fabricated and question-begging linguistic manoeuvre designed to present the protection of religious sensibilities as a civil liberty issue.&#8221;</p>
<p><a href="http://oliverkamm.typepad.com/blog/2006/10/the_islamophobi.html" rel="nofollow">http://oliverkamm.typepad.com/blog/2006/10/the_islamophobi.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: John P.</title>
		<link>http://hurryupharry.org/2009/04/05/daud-abdullah-and-jerusalem/comment-page-1/#comment-326833</link>
		<dc:creator>John P.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Apr 2009 14:29:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Islamophobia&quot; is the fig-leaf defense, the last refuge of the indignant islamist scoundrel who&#039;s been flushed out, exposed and proven wrong.

It is a silly and nonsenical term originally coined to be the islamist version of anti-semitism, except that islam isn&#039;t a &#039;race&#039; or a &lt;b&gt;people&lt;/b&gt; the way Jews are.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Islamophobia&#8221; is the fig-leaf defense, the last refuge of the indignant islamist scoundrel who&#8217;s been flushed out, exposed and proven wrong.</p>
<p>It is a silly and nonsenical term originally coined to be the islamist version of anti-semitism, except that islam isn&#8217;t a &#8216;race&#8217; or a <b>people</b> the way Jews are.</p>
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		<title>By: Someone</title>
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		<dc:creator>Someone</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Apr 2009 13:30:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Indeed, Paul and John.
Shouting &quot;Islamophobia&quot; means, basically, &quot;I have no rational argument left so I am simply going to whine &#039;Racism&#039; with no leg to stand on at all&quot;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Indeed, Paul and John.<br />
Shouting &#8220;Islamophobia&#8221; means, basically, &#8220;I have no rational argument left so I am simply going to whine &#8216;Racism&#8217; with no leg to stand on at all&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: Paul Sikander</title>
		<link>http://hurryupharry.org/2009/04/05/daud-abdullah-and-jerusalem/comment-page-1/#comment-326782</link>
		<dc:creator>Paul Sikander</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Apr 2009 12:56:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;With the Daud Abdullah challenge, there is a cause celebre in the making and whatever the outcome, Blears can no longer be a minister for ‘cohesion’&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Clive quotes this from the Salaam blog. The final note of the piece is intended to sound ominous. It is left dangling in the air. Whatever could it mean?

I think that Hazel Blears and her attitude will do more for the cohesion of British society than cleaving to the dictates and agenda of Islamists ever will. 

&#039;Cohesion&#039; is also one of those words that needs to be dissected and examined in the context of Islamist politics. It is one of these decent words, a word that is noble and good in its intent, that has become a cover word for selfish agendas and double-speak.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>With the Daud Abdullah challenge, there is a cause celebre in the making and whatever the outcome, Blears can no longer be a minister for ‘cohesion’</p></blockquote>
<p>Clive quotes this from the Salaam blog. The final note of the piece is intended to sound ominous. It is left dangling in the air. Whatever could it mean?</p>
<p>I think that Hazel Blears and her attitude will do more for the cohesion of British society than cleaving to the dictates and agenda of Islamists ever will. </p>
<p>&#8216;Cohesion&#8217; is also one of those words that needs to be dissected and examined in the context of Islamist politics. It is one of these decent words, a word that is noble and good in its intent, that has become a cover word for selfish agendas and double-speak.</p>
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		<title>By: Alan Ji</title>
		<link>http://hurryupharry.org/2009/04/05/daud-abdullah-and-jerusalem/comment-page-1/#comment-326777</link>
		<dc:creator>Alan Ji</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Apr 2009 12:50:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m aquainted with a muslim who works with a group called Alif-Alef, promiting mutual understanding between Muslims and Jews.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m aquainted with a muslim who works with a group called Alif-Alef, promiting mutual understanding between Muslims and Jews.</p>
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		<title>By: Paul Sikander</title>
		<link>http://hurryupharry.org/2009/04/05/daud-abdullah-and-jerusalem/comment-page-1/#comment-326774</link>
		<dc:creator>Paul Sikander</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Apr 2009 12:47:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>When the word &#039;Islamophobia&#039; is used instinctively by reactionaries of the MCB in the context of this debate, we seriously need to unpack the word and consign it to the scrap heap when it is used as a blunt instrument to spit at anyone who rationally takes issue with the theology and politics associated with Islam. 

Prejudice against individual Muslims is prejudice to be condemned. Critical scrutiny and intellectual and social scrutiny of the precepts of Islam and Islamist ideology is not any kind of phobia.

Until this is understood by everyone, and repeatedly explained to reactionaries who want to make the confrontation of an enunciated ideology a form of racism, we are not going to advance, and worst of all, Islamists are going to continue to wallow in mental ghettoes and retard the progress of British society.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When the word &#8216;Islamophobia&#8217; is used instinctively by reactionaries of the MCB in the context of this debate, we seriously need to unpack the word and consign it to the scrap heap when it is used as a blunt instrument to spit at anyone who rationally takes issue with the theology and politics associated with Islam. </p>
<p>Prejudice against individual Muslims is prejudice to be condemned. Critical scrutiny and intellectual and social scrutiny of the precepts of Islam and Islamist ideology is not any kind of phobia.</p>
<p>Until this is understood by everyone, and repeatedly explained to reactionaries who want to make the confrontation of an enunciated ideology a form of racism, we are not going to advance, and worst of all, Islamists are going to continue to wallow in mental ghettoes and retard the progress of British society.</p>
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		<title>By: John P.</title>
		<link>http://hurryupharry.org/2009/04/05/daud-abdullah-and-jerusalem/comment-page-1/#comment-326759</link>
		<dc:creator>John P.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Apr 2009 12:10:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;By and large Muslims do espouse peace; Islamophobes who keep repeating the same tired old nonsense do not.&lt;/i&gt;

When the worn-out term &quot;islamophobe&quot; is the only defense a Muslim can muster to counter your arguments, you just know you&#039;ve won.

From what I can glean D. Abdullah is an American, so I&#039;m wondering why he isn&#039;t sent back to the U.S.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>By and large Muslims do espouse peace; Islamophobes who keep repeating the same tired old nonsense do not.</i></p>
<p>When the worn-out term &#8220;islamophobe&#8221; is the only defense a Muslim can muster to counter your arguments, you just know you&#8217;ve won.</p>
<p>From what I can glean D. Abdullah is an American, so I&#8217;m wondering why he isn&#8217;t sent back to the U.S.</p>
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